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Post by warriors4 on Sept 24, 2019 19:22:26 GMT
Hi religion is a massive part of peoples beliefs all over the world I'd like to say there are so many contradictive laws passages and beliefs in all forms my first post on this matter will start with a belief that all life is sacred a d precious were all equal yet in so much of Christian history that isnt the case in Christianity it is said that we are all gods children he loves all equally yet in our history we have subjected other religions and wiped out whole tribes for not following or believing our ways ie crusades and forcing tribal people from all around the to follow or be slaughtered not just christianity other such religions have the same blood on there hands we hear so much from the church that God forgives our sins but yet he punishes thos who sinned for example should someone who cant afford to feed there family and the only way to do that is steal a loaf of bread so his hers family can live in that scenario should that person be punished for eternity for wanting the basic instinct to protect and keep his hers family alive should God punish them for giving them instinct and love for there family yet it's already to kill people in the name of god yet some beliefs say if you take your own life you will spend eternity in purgatory hows that loving if for example a young child who has been severely bullied or worse sees no other choice to end there suffering should they suffer more in eternal purgatory would love some feedback and other people opinions on the subject ?
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 26, 2019 4:25:05 GMT
Sorry about my grammar and punctation etc ironically I was never good at English.plus I do have dyslexia and my mind kinda wonders when I start and no offence taken critiscm that's meant in a positive way is always appreciated. I'm not as what most of the people on this forum will be academically gifted I pretty much failed all my exams in school most of what I've learned was self taught and picked up thru life experience. I honestly dont deny theres a higher power a force we simply dont understand I've personally witnessed things I cannot explain even miracles.in regards to religion in the world we live in as it is today anything that brings someone happiness. And a sense of self belief and peace is never a bad thing.but in the statement you mentioned about the horrible atrocities performed in sodom and gomorrah and that things we couldn't understand today I do disagree with that the atrocities that in just the past couple of hundred years have been on a scale never seen or heard of. Mass genocides world wars slavery cannibalism murder etc is still going on today but on a much larger scale and with advancements in technology more widespread and destructive. Although our technology our understanding of the world has advanced we as a species as a whole haven't weve destroyed our planet so many other species are extinct thru our selfish needs and blind greed. I'm not saying everyone's bad or greedy but we all have had our parts to play in the world we as humans have moulded. We have such potential for great things as a species but in all honesty were still lagging evolving past material gains
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 26, 2019 4:46:10 GMT
It is written about end of days and the second coming were good and evil will have one final battle and that jesus will return and evil will be banished and paradise will exist upon earth once again this written about in every religion culture around the world in all variations depending on peoples beliefs.if you notice what is happening in the world today the prophecy is in its final stages. Great earthquakes floods wars famine drought volcanoes erupting plagues etc even the seas bubbling and boiling over which in a sense is true the seas temperature is rising.and other unexplained phenomena cases of demonic possession have risen drastically over the past few years and other such occult happenings all the signs are in front of us happening as we speak.we are living in uncertain times
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 26, 2019 5:28:35 GMT
Sorry about my grammar and punctation etc ironically I was never good at English.plus I do have dyslexia and my mind kinda wonders when I start and no offence taken critiscm that's meant in a positive way is always appreciated. I'm not as what most of the people on this forum will be academically gifted I pretty much failed all my exams in school most of what I've learned was self taught and picked up thru life experience. I honestly dont deny theres a higher power a force we simply dont understand I've personally witnessed things I cannot explain even miracles.in regards to religion in the world we live in as it is today anything that brings someone happiness. And a sense of self belief and peace is never a bad thing.but in the statement you mentioned about the horrible atrocities performed in sodom and gomorrah and that things we couldn't understand today I do disagree with that the atrocities that in just the past couple of hundred years have been on a scale never seen or heard of. Mass genocides world wars slavery cannibalism murder etc is still going on today but on a much larger scale and with advancements in technology more widespread and destructive. Although our technology our understanding of the world has advanced we as a species as a whole haven't weve destroyed our planet so many other species are extinct thru our selfish needs and blind greed. I'm not saying everyone's bad or greedy but we all have had our parts to play in the world we as humans have moulded. We have such potential for great things as a species but in all honesty were still lagging evolving past material gains Ah, its okay man. Are you not good with English because you're from another country (a non english speaking country I mean) or is it just not your subject? I wasn't really good in high school either though that's probably because I have aspergers syndrome and I had such a strong focus on one subject that I didn't care about anything else and couldn't focus on my school work. |
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 26, 2019 7:42:56 GMT
Some of the answers or replys are interesting and as I say I'm not exactly high in my IQ this really is a debate that has gone on for thousands of years and if allowed thousands more no one faith or belief no one religion can claim to be the one true following cos know matter how many followers they have until there is actual certified prove ie God shows himself or makes himself known to the masses it is all speculation religion over the years has changed so much adapted if you will to new generations of how people think and act and what weve learned there is plenty that has been proven wrong like how old the earth is our origins (still in dabate) the fact that gravity is real evolution amongst others it is also proven that religion is the biggest mist single cause of wars and loss of life in human history. But that isnt down to God that is down to us as humans we are still young and still clamber to the materialistic allow our desires for greed power to control even the clergy of all Faith's are corrupt cover ups preaching hatred towards fellow men as I said it's down to the individual and there own beliefs no one religion is right they all have good and bad points the laws of the universe dictate were there good there will be bad you cant have one without the other it needs to balance for all things to work there in God and satan.
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 26, 2019 11:13:02 GMT
I must says this reading back on the replys there seems to a big emphasis on the word in the title contradictions the simplified and widely known use and meaning of the word contradiction is to do or say one and do the opposite in this context of my statement it is a negative generally speaking the word is negative theres a saying ironically theres an old saying that fits this subject perfectly practice what you preach. With that statement I'm in no way attacking being atuse or slandering anyone I'm debating with it's a generalised thought towards certain all religions as I said theres good and bad everywhere including in our churches our Faith's what ever it may be the two biggest factions in christianity are Roman catholic and protestant now the catholic faith was formed by a Roman emperor (CEASAR)as there known dure in a battle he looked up in the sky and saw cross he claimed to be a sign from God who his people and culture set out to destroy ridicule and persecute ie the killing of jesus after the battle he took upon himself to start the catholic faith and started christianity in Rome hence the name Roman catholic protestant who's religion I am was formed in England by Henry the 8th basically just so he could leave (divorce) one of his wifes so he started the protestant ie church of England up and that's what I mean by double standards and contradictions
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2019 14:33:35 GMT
The principle of non-contradiction [an ontological principle] can be stated thus: Any entity (any real subject) cannot both have and a lack a predicate such as Goodness, Power to control something else, Consciousness, etc. [The epistemological principle can be stated thus: If contradictory predicates are made of a subject, that, e.g., X is Good and Not Good, then the speaker is stating a nonsense; he or an error about a particular subject in a book does not invalidate every other subject in the book, but it shows that the book's author is fallible. The books of the various religions were produced by humans even though they may claim infallibility (as by claiming that they are reports of an infallible speaker). This claim cannot be substantiated and the report remains a mere "hearsay". As to some religions: -- The Hebrew Bible contains two contradictory reports about the divine reality: (A) The "Syrian" Canaanite, or Ugarit, version, according to which there are the Elohim [the Gods or Supreme Gods] who made Man in their own image, one male and the other female, plus foreign gods (whose sons will eventually consort with human females) and the gods of the Philistines. (B) The four-letter God, named Yahweh [Ieie], the God proclaimed by Moses (from a non-Canaanite background), male. This was to be the only God for the Judaeans, also called Yahweh Elohim [the divine Yah] translated into Latin as "Dominus Deus" (the "Lord God" in the British version). -- Allah is the only God and Mohammed is His prophet. Thus spoke Zarathustra. No, no. I mixed religions. Make your own analysis of the Arabian insanity. -- The Pauline Christology is at odds with the New Testament's attribution of the mission of Jesus (to rescue the strayed sheep, or, more importantly, to undo the consequences of the original sin)…. Atonment of the Sin? Death is the wages of sin, and death still occurs for those who having been baptized, are made holy again....
Paul and Jesus were exactly on the same page. They were both speaking of the second death which is hell. Jesus said not to worry about those who kill the body because they can't kill our soul which will live on in heaven. And Paul says the same that we will live again. Those who are in sin won't live again and after first earthly death will die the second death meaning they'll go to hell. I did not mean that everything that Jesus and Paul said are at odds (inconsistent). I should have said that what some theologians hold about Jesus is inconsistent with some of Paul's doctrines about Jesus. Paul was a theologian who never met Jesus or reported Jesus' doctrines. In particular: According to a Pauline doctrine, Jesus died [which I doubt as a historical fact] to atone for the original sin (which was inherited by mankind). But, while on the cross, Jesus complained to God [Eloi, Eloi....] that He had forsaken Jesus. The point is that if God had sent Jesus to the earth, Jesus, His presumed son, would have accepted his mission without complaining about it. Anyway, history proves that Jesus was not the Redeemer, the abrogator of the original sin, since the wages of that sin (death; painful childbirth; etc.) have remained in effect:Baptism or rebirth in Christ does not erase the consequences of the original sin. So, Christianity is a fake religion of Redemption, concocted by the writers of he Christian scriptures. The original sin itself was a Jewish invention which was preached to children so as to control them; Christian clergymen have been preaching that Sin to mankind so as to establish Christendom or the kingdom of God on earth (under the jurisdiction of the Clergy). This is Clericalism, which intelligent Europeans have always rejected.
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 26, 2019 16:38:44 GMT
I am from an English speaking country funnily enough I'm born and bread English I'm from the northwest of England it's hard to explain I lost interest when I started high school very early on I was severely bullied to the extreme simply cos I came from a different town near yo were I moved theres a bit of rivalry between our sports teams Wigan warriors which is my team and my original town and warrington wolves its rugby league I suffer from severe mental health problem and back then it was still a taboo for children suffering from it I didn't tell anyone about what happened till later in my teens after school but turning a negative into a positive it made me a better person as in I love helping people I like to listen to peoples problem I'm a good listener it made tolerant and more aware of peoples feelings I'm respectful polite another advantage and gift from my illnesses i have a very good ability to read peoples body language hear things in peoples voice that most dont pick up on I actually study human behaviours emotions even mental health to understand myself better I study spiritualism I believe sixth sense and other abilitys I see thing and feel things alot of people dont I'm sorry to hear of your ailment if i may say despite this you seem a very highly intellectual thinker you seemed to of adapted very well
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2019 19:31:44 GMT
P.S. to my above post: In the Latin liturgy, when a person goes (or is taken) for baptism -- [and he is supposed to have been instructed, that is, to be what in Greek was called a kathekhoumenos], the officiating priest asks, Quod quaeris? [What do you seek?] The kathekhoumenus or his proxy (a person on his behalf) replies, Salvation. Thereupon, the seeker is baptized. That is beautiful, except for the fact that the original sin has not been wiped out. The immersion or the poured water does not reach the human spirit. |
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Post by warriors4 on Sept 27, 2019 5:20:21 GMT
Yes I know of God sending jesus for to atone for man's original sin from Adam and eve eating the forbidden fruit and defy gods one and only rule and law and that they were cast out of paradise and mortality was thrust upon them and there children and so on and so on jesus who was to be of pure and sinless his life was to to be sacrificed to atone for Adam and eve original sin to set things right the jehovah witnesses always make a very big point of this and yes I understand what you mean of parts of religion not just Christian faith tho being manipulated to control and keep order
Of the masses by elite few as I mentioned briefly in one of my posts it really is a fascinating subject but as I did say with all myths legends etc theres always some element of truth that's how the storys start but after time get t
twisted and exaggerated more
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