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Post by greatestiam on Sept 8, 2019 14:15:04 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous?
I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause.
Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by?
We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women.
Thoughts?
Regards DL
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Post by jonbain on Sept 13, 2019 14:05:44 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous? I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause. Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by? We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women. Thoughts? Regards DL Being afraid of homosexuals (homophobia) is not the same as considering homosexuality to be either immoral or pathological. That this basic point is never even considered in homosexual discussions demonstrates how weak the understanding of the issue actually is. Your own perspective makes little sense as you claim to be part a religion for which considering homosexuality as being 'wrong' is an intrinsic part of its moral code.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 13, 2019 15:13:24 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous? I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause. Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by? We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women. Thoughts? Regards DL Being afraid of homosexuals (homophobia) is not the same as considering homosexuality to be either immoral or pathological. That this basic point is never even considered in homosexual discussions demonstrates how weak the understanding of the issue actually is. Your own perspective makes little sense as you claim to be part a religion for which considering homosexuality as being 'wrong' is an intrinsic part of its moral code.
Where in hell did you get such a foolish notion?
Get the quote or be seen as a liar.
It happens that Gnostic Christianity, a universalist religion, has tied equality to righteousness which is the reverse of your divisive homophobic and misogynous religion that denies half of the worlds population equality.
gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm
"The righteousness of God is a kind of sharing along with equality."
What is immoral is homophobes putting sex above the lifelong love connection that we all crave.
Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 13, 2019 18:48:40 GMT
My stance is simple...homosexuality is a deviation from natural and divine law by its inherent form alone. To argue that certain animals exhibit homosexual behavior, thus it is moral, is a flawed statement as it does not take into account environmental pollution are artificially created conditions which affect the organisms being observed. Homosexuality Is an intrinsic evil...it is sterile and desolate in nature. That would make Christianity evil. I agree.
christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
Regards DL
And Gnostic Christianity by default... The sources quoted do not even imply the above arguments...you are going to have to do better with your documentation if that is the route you are going to go.... None of the sourced links lead to any of the implied argument...it...like all arguments, is merely an interpretation.
Regardless, many "saints" of all religions had a polarized nature between two extremes (virtue and vice) so a Christian Homosexual couple being canonized as martyrs would not surprise me considering other "saints" where guilty of other "crimes" regardless of it being the Christian Religion or any other (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam).
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 13, 2019 18:49:39 GMT
No, I don't think so...watching you squirm and talk about your pursuit for self mastery is much to interesting of a contradiction to ignore....
So are you the predator or the prey?
Who admins this site? As I search the posts of xxxxxxxxx, I find nothing but the same trolling BS, endless arguments, a plethora of nonsensical, psuedo intelligent babble and wave after wave of stressed out, frustrated members discussions. Drop this Loser . . . You can squirm all you want "prey", thanks for giving me an "archetype" to feast off of....
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 14, 2019 17:00:47 GMT
And Gnostic Christianity by default... The sources quoted do not even imply the above arguments...you are going to have to do better with your documentation if that is the route you are going to go.... None of the sourced links lead to any of the implied argument...it...like all arguments, is merely an interpretation.
Regardless, many "saints" of all religions had a polarized nature between two extremes (virtue and vice) so a Christian Homosexual couple being canonized as martyrs would not surprise me considering other "saints" where guilty of other "crimes" regardless of it being the Christian Religion or any other (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam).
They were married by the church and so there is no guilt or crime.
Why would Gnostic Christianity be evil by default given that we are not Christoan but Gnostic Christians?
If Christians, the why would Christians use their inquisitions on us?
Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 14, 2019 17:09:27 GMT
And Gnostic Christianity by default... The sources quoted do not even imply the above arguments...you are going to have to do better with your documentation if that is the route you are going to go.... None of the sourced links lead to any of the implied argument...it...like all arguments, is merely an interpretation.
Regardless, many "saints" of all religions had a polarized nature between two extremes (virtue and vice) so a Christian Homosexual couple being canonized as martyrs would not surprise me considering other "saints" where guilty of other "crimes" regardless of it being the Christian Religion or any other (Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam).
They were married by the church and so there is no guilt or crime.
Why would Gnostic Christianity be evil by default given that we are not Christoan but Gnostic Christians?
If Christians, the why would Christians use their inquisitions on us?
Regards DL
That is my point....the sources for the article (ie the material used to source the article and justify its claims) are sketchy and do not point to this...if one clicks on the links. The author is making blind assertions without any references for further research...which is fine if he is making an argument based upon interpretation, but not if he is aligning his argument with contexts of historical assertions.
His argument is grounded with the alignment to previous church documents...but is contradictory because the sources he provides to align with his point, do not align.
It is mismatched assumptions and poor research. I clicked on the sources used to justify his stance...they do not provide any back up to his argument and many of the sources where taken out of context relative to the author's primary stance.
Is this the best you can do...with your "gnosis"?
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 14, 2019 23:24:05 GMT
xxxxxxxxx
So your research trumps the authors, even though you offer no source or argument against his work and will continue to discriminate against gays without a just cause.
Got it.
Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 16, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
xxxxxxxxx So your research trumps the authors, even though you offer no source or argument against his work and will continue to discriminate against gays without a just cause. Got it. Regards DL No recourse or argument is necessitated as his research is null and void. Its null and void specifically because if one clicks on the links...nothing is provided. Research is fundamentally fallacious by nature, generally because of an internal bias on behalf of all researchers as well as the contradictions involved in what constitutes "facts", however even with this premise in mind the author has no quotable sources to back up his claims...it is strictly assertions without sources, thus a dual problem in his argument occurs:
1. Research is the foundation for the author's arguments, however this (regardless of whether it is this "author" or another") is fallacious in nature as observed in the "fallacy of facts" thread in the philosophy section.
2. The links provided to back up the author's claims do not, ironically, back up the author's claims. Even if they did, we are left with a regress of searching for the sources to those links, then those links, etc. until we are left with empty assertions on part of one or many of the authors.
3. The argument has no logical grounding other than a historical approach as to how an "authority" addressed a specific issue (homosexual marriage in this case), however this in itself is a fallacy.
I am not presenting "research" but rather an argument premised on an inherent definition of what constitutes morality as well as the nature of being relative to the grounds of human sexuality.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 26, 2019 19:41:04 GMT
Pffft.
Regards DL
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Nov 7, 2019 22:53:47 GMT
Incorrect. Jesus even stopped a killing Himself. As OT states adulterers must be killed. But Jesus saw the adultresses ready to be stoned and stopped it. Plus no where in the 10 commandments from OT/NT does it state to kill. If anything it says do not kill so yes Moses gave the law to not kill so we must uphold it Jesus said You must be kidding . . . 1 Chronicles 21 -God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people
Deuteronomy 3 -God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value
Joshua 6 -He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” -In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead
2 Kings 10:18-27 God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
Judges 21:10-24 God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.
Numbers 31:7-18 "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
Show me pagan death counts as well, your argument is one sided. Then show me the amount of death attributed to communist atheism.
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Post by Etu Malku on Nov 8, 2019 0:02:51 GMT
You must be kidding . . . 1 Chronicles 21 -God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people
Deuteronomy 3 -God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value
Joshua 6 -He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” -In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead
2 Kings 10:18-27 God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
Judges 21:10-24 God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.
Numbers 31:7-18 "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
Show me pagan death counts as well, your argument is one sided. Then show me the amount of death attributed to communist atheism. They're your claims, how about YOU show us? What has pagan deaths and communism and/or atheism have to do with my post? Sep 9, 2019 at 10:47am Elizabeth said: " . . . no where in the 10 commandments from OT/NT does it state to kill." That is what I am replying to . . . savvy?
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Post by KGrim on Nov 8, 2019 1:01:25 GMT
*Raises Hand Excitedly* I was a homosexual! Not anymore though. I converted to Christianity and never looked back.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 8, 2019 2:07:21 GMT
*Raises Hand Excitedly* I was a homosexual! Not anymore though. I converted to Christianity and never looked back. Glad you left that life. God didn't make people to be gay.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Nov 8, 2019 2:31:59 GMT
Show me pagan death counts as well, your argument is one sided. Then show me the amount of death attributed to communist atheism. They're your claims, how about YOU show us? What has pagan deaths and communism and/or atheism have to do with my post? Sep 9, 2019 at 10:47am Elizabeth said: " . . . no where in the 10 commandments from OT/NT does it state to kill." That is what I am replying to . . . savvy? What claims? I am asking for death counts, or do you just cherry pick facts as suits you? The commandments are about unlawful killing, as in not self defense or in an act of war. Just wikipedia it batman.
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Post by Etu Malku on Nov 8, 2019 3:34:29 GMT
They're your claims, how about YOU show us? What has pagan deaths and communism and/or atheism have to do with my post? Sep 9, 2019 at 10:47am Elizabeth said: " . . . no where in the 10 commandments from OT/NT does it state to kill." That is what I am replying to . . . savvy? What claims? I am asking for death counts, or do you just cherry pick facts as suits you? The commandments are about unlawful killing, as in not self defense or in an act of war. Just wikipedia it batman. You seem to have lost your grasp of the conversation . . . thanks for playing anyway.
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