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Post by greatestiam on Sept 8, 2019 14:15:04 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous?
I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause.
Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by?
We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women.
Thoughts?
Regards DL
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 22:12:51 GMT
How does visualization of archetypal structures include dominating people (humans)? You continue to sound confused . . .
Because these archetypes observe how we relate to all phenomenon (people included) around us. The are qualifications, through symbols, of the inherent manner we not just percieve reality but ourselves, we move through how we percieve. Archetypes are not conscious entities, they do not 'observe' . . .
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 22:21:41 GMT
How does visualization of archetypal structures include dominating people (humans)? You continue to sound confused . . .
Many archetypal structures are anthropomorphic in nature, as we relate to these structures as embodiments of ourselves and others...you continue to sound confused on what an archetype is...it is a symbolic image of how we mediate reality, thus it is a form of how we relate to other's and ourselves.
A predatory approach to the archetypes, as symbols of our relations, is a predatory approach to relationships which are mediated through that archetype...you really don't read much of Jung do you?
Another ASSumption . . . Archetypes are models of people, behaviors and/or personalities, it is none other than what the Egyptians called the "Ka". Archetypes are unlearned and function to organize how we experience certain things. The most inclusive archetype is self-realization and can be viewed as a balance between various opposing forces of personality. It is a compendium of opposites (introverted/extraverted, rational/irrational, male/female, conscious/unconscious, past events/future expectations). When archetypal structures are brought into visualization practices in predatory spiritualism, this Ka is what is being manipulated for theurgical reasons. Please refrain from speaking about things you know absolutely nothing about. If you have questions, ask, don't just assume this or that. It is without a doubt you know very little, if anything, regarding the occult and certainly nothing about the practices of the Herald of the Dawn.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 9, 2019 23:17:28 GMT
Once again..you have quoted OT. Jesus removed that stuff. And only God creates and takes away life. This was always true. Except in OT God gave His people permission at times to do it for Him. Now that position was taken away because it was misused. NT is no killing by humans allowed at all and reserved for God only. Did you forget all the NT quotes I posted stating that Jesus insisted 'everything' from the OT is to be followed to the letter? My conclusion based on the scriptures of all the Abrahamic faiths, is that they are inherently evil and backwards to human spirituality. Of course that is simply my opinion. Not to mention, the god of the OT is the same god of the NT . . . a pre-Canaanite war deity. Yes, He insisted the law to be followed. The 10 commandments. Those are the same from OT to NT. That's the only thing to be followed. And the law in 10 commandments says not to kill. You're referring to the ordinances in OT which are removed for NT. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Ephesians:2:15
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 9, 2019 23:25:21 GMT
Did you forget all the NT quotes I posted stating that Jesus insisted 'everything' from the OT is to be followed to the letter? My conclusion based on the scriptures of all the Abrahamic faiths, is that they are inherently evil and backwards to human spirituality. Of course that is simply my opinion. Not to mention, the god of the OT is the same god of the NT . . . a pre-Canaanite war deity. Yes, He insisted the law to be followed. The 10 commandments. Those are the same from OT to NT. That's the only thing to be followed. And the law in 10 commandments says not to kill. You're referring to the ordinances in OT which are removed for NT. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Ephesians:2:15 You are mistaken, the Law is not the Ten Commandments . . . www.bethinking.org/bible/q-how-did-jesus-view-the-old-testamentjewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus-references-to-old-testament-scriptures/
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 10, 2019 1:28:48 GMT
Because these archetypes observe how we relate to all phenomenon (people included) around us. The are qualifications, through symbols, of the inherent manner we not just percieve reality but ourselves, we move through how we percieve. Archetypes are not conscious entities, they do not 'observe' . . . Actually if they are extensions of your mind, how you view reality...they are how you observe.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 10, 2019 1:45:43 GMT
Many archetypal structures are anthropomorphic in nature, as we relate to these structures as embodiments of ourselves and others...you continue to sound confused on what an archetype is...it is a symbolic image of how we mediate reality, thus it is a form of how we relate to other's and ourselves.
A predatory approach to the archetypes, as symbols of our relations, is a predatory approach to relationships which are mediated through that archetype...you really don't read much of Jung do you?
Another ASSumption . . . Archetypes are models of people, behaviors and/or personalities, it is none other than what the Egyptians called the "Ka". Archetypes are unlearned and function to organize how we experience certain things. Yes, they form the manner in which you assume reality with assumption being a fundamental objective reality that is present in all subjective states. Assumption is inherently void, as what we assumption acts as an axiom we give no thought to...it has void as the foundation. The Archetypes, as assumed, merely act as lens to filter how we assume reality thus are fundamentally assumption in themselves as they have no foundations.The most inclusive archetype is self-realization and can be viewed as a balance between various opposing forces of personality. Self realization is a loop...it begins when we assume our assumptions or what we assume is looped through the preconceived assumptions we already have. The various opposing forces of personality, grounded fundamentally in light and dark, form and formless, self-shadow self...whatever context you want to use as this context is a loop, are really in a state of continual synthesis and observe a dynamic property to being. For example the dualism of subject ans object observes and inherent dynamic alternation between the two where the subject and object form eachother. For example the subject, person, uses the object, knife, in using the knife the knife becomes an extension of how the person views the "world"(context of time and space they exist in) and the person becomes an extension of the knife considering the person is "cutting" through the knife. It is a compendium of opposites (introverted/extraverted, rational/irrational, male/female, conscious/unconscious, past events/future expectations). Which necessitates a dynamic state of synthesis resulting in "awareness". All opposites stem from and going back to and inherent middle, thus dualism is really a triad. This triad is universal (look at the dualism of dualisms thread)When archetypal structures are brought into visualization practices in predatory spiritualism, this Ka is what is being manipulated for theurgical reasons. And yet this manipulation has no real grounds as it is based upon a preconceived assumption you are doing the right or wrong thing and dissecting/rejoining it. It is inherently random as "the will" is fundamentally empty in nature as it is grounded in assumption. We "will" the patterns we assume. Please refrain from speaking about things you know absolutely nothing about. If you have questions, ask, don't just assume this or that. It is without a doubt you know very little, if anything, regarding the occult and certainly nothing about the practices of the Herald of the Dawn. No, you are just easy to manipulate and get secrets out of...but I wouldn't really call them "secrets"...Jung covers alot of this already, and "ba" is the word many also use. It is the animating force of matter and if the ba is manipulated so is matter. That Is One Of The Implied OrIgins Of "Baal" Worship Or "Self Worship" To Certain Degrees....It Is Fundamentally Retarded As The Ba Is Not GOD, just A Reflection Of GOD. It Would Be Like Worshipping A Cloud For Making Rain, When In Reality There Are Alot Of Other Factors Involved Eventually LeadIng Us To An Infinite Regress.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 10, 2019 2:09:56 GMT
What do you think of the mainstream religions that are homophobic and misogynous? I think they are stuck in the past and refuse to grow their moral sense to a higher level as they continue to discriminate and denigrate against gays and women without a just cause. Should secular law do something against the religions that preach and teach poor morals and laws that are the opposite of the better secular law we live by?
We seem to be coming down on Islam and demanding they reform, but we seem to be ignoring Christianity’s efforts to make the world a worse place with homophobia and second class women. Thoughts? Regards DL I will only give my two cents on the bolded statement because it stood out to me. The answer is a resounding NO to that question as part of secular law is freedom of speech and freedom of religion. People should be allowed in a free society to say anything and put forward whatever ideas they want to whether good or bad. They should be allowed to voice any opinion that they desire even bigoted or racist ones that the Europeans call "hate speech". If you don't like what is being said, you argue against their ideas with your own. If you don't like being insulted, you can either respond with an insult of your own or turn the other cheek. Wanting to ban speech you don't like is a sign of tyrannical mind. Banning religious belief and expression is also tyrannical as human beings are allowed to believe whatever they so desire and hate whom they so desire as long as they don't put extreme ideas into action and actually harm people. The fact that you do not grasp the concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of religion is rather disturbing to me and shows that you have no understanding of what actually makes secular law something to be praised in the first place.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 10, 2019 4:44:05 GMT
You are using an outside source. Bible clearly says what the law is. Even in the verse I quoted. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Ephesians:2:15 Says law of commandments in the verse. What are commandments. The 10 Moses wrote that God gave. This was the law. Also remember 2 things. Christianity began in NT not OT. So Christianity is NT not OT. It began with Jesus. He started a religion called Christianity. It was not the OT religion. That's why people converted from OT religion to NT religion. One big example is Paul. He was a devout Pharisee and Jew who followed OT but abandoned OT forever to follow NT teachings of Christ. He became a Christian and got rid of his Pharisee status. As a Pharisee he also killed people by OT stadards but when he became NT Christian he never killed again because wasn't allowed to. And secondly Jesus did not fit in with OT people. They even killed Him because He preached a new religion. He didn't follow what they followed. He only followed 10 commandments. He didn't even bother with old testament traditions and spoke against them. They even followed weird Sabbath day stuff and Jesus didn't follow that which made them mad and He was accused of breaking the law about the Sabbath but He told them they didn't understand the law and that He didn't break it. And Jesus only told people to follow the 10 commandments because it's the law.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 10, 2019 9:48:49 GMT
Archetypes are not conscious entities, they do not 'observe' . . . Actually if they are extensions of your mind, how you view reality...they are how you observe. Are they extensions of our mind? Neuroscience believes they may be carried over from DNA and symbolically represent evolved thoughtforms. How we interpret them depends on our subjectivity, after all we assign meaning to things.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 10, 2019 9:52:15 GMT
Another ASSumption . . . Archetypes are models of people, behaviors and/or personalities, it is none other than what the Egyptians called the "Ka". Archetypes are unlearned and function to organize how we experience certain things. Yes, they form the manner in which you assume reality with assumption being a fundamental objective reality that is present in all subjective states. Assumption is inherently void, as what we assumption acts as an axiom we give no thought to...it has void as the foundation. The Archetypes, as assumed, merely act as lens to filter how we assume reality thus are fundamentally assumption in themselves as they have no foundations.The most inclusive archetype is self-realization and can be viewed as a balance between various opposing forces of personality. Self realization is a loop...it begins when we assume our assumptions or what we assume is looped through the preconceived assumptions we already have. The various opposing forces of personality, grounded fundamentally in light and dark, form and formless, self-shadow self...whatever context you want to use as this context is a loop, are really in a state of continual synthesis and observe a dynamic property to being. For example the dualism of subject ans object observes and inherent dynamic alternation between the two where the subject and object form eachother. For example the subject, person, uses the object, knife, in using the knife the knife becomes an extension of how the person views the "world"(context of time and space they exist in) and the person becomes an extension of the knife considering the person is "cutting" through the knife. It is a compendium of opposites (introverted/extraverted, rational/irrational, male/female, conscious/unconscious, past events/future expectations). Which necessitates a dynamic state of synthesis resulting in "awareness". All opposites stem from and going back to and inherent middle, thus dualism is really a triad. This triad is universal (look at the dualism of dualisms thread)When archetypal structures are brought into visualization practices in predatory spiritualism, this Ka is what is being manipulated for theurgical reasons. And yet this manipulation has no real grounds as it is based upon a preconceived assumption you are doing the right or wrong thing and dissecting/rejoining it. It is inherently random as "the will" is fundamentally empty in nature as it is grounded in assumption. We "will" the patterns we assume. Please refrain from speaking about things you know absolutely nothing about. If you have questions, ask, don't just assume this or that. It is without a doubt you know very little, if anything, regarding the occult and certainly nothing about the practices of the Herald of the Dawn. No, you are just easy to manipulate and get secrets out of...but I wouldn't really call them "secrets"...Jung covers alot of this already, and "ba" is the word many also use. It is the animating force of matter and if the ba is manipulated so is matter. That Is One Of The Implied OrIgins Of "Baal" Worship Or "Self Worship" To Certain Degrees....It Is Fundamentally Retarded As The Ba Is Not GOD, just A Reflection Of GOD. It Would Be Like Worshipping A Cloud For Making Rain, When In Reality There Are Alot Of Other Factors Involved Eventually LeadIng Us To An Infinite Regress.I see you're equally an expert in Egyptian spirituality . . .
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 10, 2019 11:18:00 GMT
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) This is a mistranslation. beneimiqra.com/2013/02/12/does-the-torah-condemn-homosexuality/Most modern degenerates deserve to be killed, but not because they are gay.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 10, 2019 17:02:17 GMT
Actually if they are extensions of your mind, how you view reality...they are how you observe. Are they extensions of our mind? Neuroscience believes they may be carried over from DNA and symbolically represent evolved thoughtforms. How we interpret them depends on our subjectivity, after all we assign meaning to things. And neuroscience is an assumed point of measuring phenomenon...there are an infinite number of others as well: sociology, mathematics, chemistry, etc. The subjective state is fundamentally one of assumption and assumption is purely empty...relativism points to the emptiness of all phenomena in themselves.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 10, 2019 17:03:59 GMT
I see you're equally an expert in Egyptian spirituality . . . Noone is an expert in anything, it is all assume interpretations. There is no expert.
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Post by Etu Malku on Sept 10, 2019 21:12:25 GMT
One's subjective universe is not assumed, if anything one's objective universe is assumed (by ignoramuses), the subjective universe may be thought of as one's personal perspective on the objective universe, together with any self‑created phenomena one wishes to add to it. So essentially we have the following:
1. Objective Universe (OU): Things are as they "are." Time, space, matter, energy, etc. 2. Subjective Universe (SU): Our unique personal perspective and experience of the OU. What we interpret and perceive it as.
To help you understand this in a layman's, dumbed-down, way . . . In the 'exclusive' objective universe, a house is simply a geometrically‑coordinated, gravitationally‑braced and weatherproof arrangement of certain kinds of molecules. As various individuals design, decorate, occupy, or view the house, however, it is imbued with characteristics assigned to it by them. It now exists in their several subjective universes, and it may continue to exist there even after the 'objective' house has been demolished.
You are boring me to tears with your inane posturing and this desire to be Right. You have been nothing but incorrect in all your ASSumptions regarding what I and my Beliefs/Order are about. You attempt to put words in my mouth in order for you to somehow 'come out on top' of whatever petulant battle you have imagined.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Sept 11, 2019 3:37:41 GMT
One's subjective universe is not assumed, if anything one's objective universe is assumed (by ignoramuses), the subjective universe may be thought of as one's personal perspective on the objective universe, together with any self‑created phenomena one wishes to add to it. So essentially we have the following: The subjective state assumed becomes self referential and objective to the observer however is always still assumed in an subjective manner. The subjective state, as assuming, is alway constant as intrinsically empty. This Emptiness Is No Different than Point A And Point B one a line still being a simple empty point. 1. Objective Universe (OU): Things are as they "are." Time, space, matter, energy, etc. And The Subjective State As Intrinsically Empty Self Referential Loop (As We Loop Values and Memories To Maintain't Identity) Is An Objective Constant.2. Subjective Universe (SU): Our unique personal perspective and experience of the OU. What we interpret and perceive it as. But this Perspective, However Subjective, Always Requires A Point Of Assumption, Inherently Empty, A Continuum Of Progression Of Assumed Contexts, and A Cycling Through Repitition Of These Contexts With These ConText Ranging From Memories, Symbols, Archetypes, Etc. As A Looping Existing Through The Observer.To help you understand this in a layman's, dumbed-down, way . . . In the 'exclusive' objective universe, a house is simply a geometrically‑coordinated, gravitationally‑braced and weatherproof arrangement of certain kinds of molecules. From The Premise Of Physics You Have Not Given A Full Statement As The Atoms Which form these phenomenon are fundamentally 99.9999... percent empty spheres...they are forms grounded in spatial axioms with protons, electrons, neutrons correspond to positive, negative and neutral particle/fields. which underlying all phenomenon as particulate/general in how we measure and classify them. The Same Particle Field Dualism Is How We Classify Reality As Particulate/General...Thus Is Recurssive And CyclIcal At Different Dimensions..."As Above So Below".As various individuals design, decorate, occupy, or view the house, however, it is imbued with characteristics assigned to it by them. It now exists in their several subjective universes, and it may continue to exist there even after the 'objective' house has been demolished. And Those Characteristics Are Merely Variations Of The Same Thing. A House Of X Dimensions Vs A House Of Y Dimensions Are Both Variations Of The Same Linear Space Used To Mold Them.You are boring me to tears with your inane posturing and this desire to be Right. I Wouldnt Call It A Desire, As That Is A Projection On Your Part, But Rather An Acknoledgement Of An Intrinsic Divine Order That Exists Through us but is beyond us. You have been nothing but incorrect in all your ASSumptions regarding what I and my Beliefs/Order are about. You Are A Vampire And A Predator...Your Organization Even States this Bluntly On Its Facebook Page...Assuming It Is Your Organization...You Redefined Words As You See Fit Failing to Realized They Cycle Back And Form Its Own Judgement.You attempt to put words in my mouth in order for you to somehow 'come out on top' of whatever petulant battle you have imagined. So You Are A Victim...Is That What You Are Implying?
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