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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 20:43:15 GMT
Im amazed by those who think it was Oswald, Oswald was a patsy, he was part of a team. They had him shoot from the Book Suppository, thinking he would be caught coming out of the building, while they shot from behind the fence and made a clean getaway. But who was behind the assassination? - High members of our government that wanted to end the spread of communism in Viet Nam. JFK was for pulling our troops out, while LBJ wanted a war. My belief is that our government hired Mafia hitmen to do the job. The movie JFK does a pretty good job spelling it out, although some of the "facts" might be wrong. We may never know who really killed JFK - but you can be sure it wasn't Oswald. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 8, 2019 20:52:16 GMT
I agree with you that the government could have been behind it. I don't trust governments at all. But I haven't been too up-to-date on his death. Were any suspects or motives listed? He just must have angered someone bad enough over something so they wanted to remove him as secretly as possible.
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Post by gater on Aug 9, 2019 1:34:22 GMT
Heres a bit about it on youtube. I think the main 2 motives were 1 a fear of communism spreading and 2 money. Some of our top military leaders wanted war, they thought JFK was too young and inexperienced to make that call, while they knew LBJ was pro war. They probably had dirt on some Mafia hitmen and even helped them get away, while making Oswell a patsy to take the rap.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 9, 2019 4:45:40 GMT
It is my understanding that the US had not put troops in Vietnam until 1965, which is after JFK's assassination in 1963. The authorization came from congress after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, an incident which never actually happened. So, while JFK was president, there were no troops to "pull out" of Vietnam because the US had not yet put troops in Vietnam.
JFK was assassinated for different reasons. Look into Operation Northwoods; this operation would have allowed for the CIA to conduct false flag attacks against US civilians in every major city in the US, which the government would then blame on Cuba and use it as justification for an invasion of Cuba. JFK would not go through with this operation and refused to approve it. I believe that this is part of the reason why he was assassinated. Was it Oswald? No.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 9, 2019 13:28:52 GMT
It was me (who killed the most brightly and kind president ever)... I really, really apologize...
Seriously, "My belief is that our government hired Mafia hitmen to do the job" - this is what I agree with you. Who knows what exactly was there, but this version seems to be a true one. Governments have any humanity, there are soldiers, and in their bodies the blood is as green as military color.
They shouldn't kill the killer so quickly, even if Oswald would have started to blame the hiring mafia members, would anyone have believed him? I don't think so.
Actually, any conspiracy theory brings us nothing. It happens because our belief in a collusion gives us a spare common understanding. Let suppose we know that A, B, or C is able to happen. We could imagine that A, or B, or C separately could take place under specific conditions. Believing in "a conspiracy theory" or a collusion is like to believe that A and B, of A and C, or A, B and C may happen altogether, not separately. We still need to know separate facts, like A, or B. This lead us to the question: what conditions enough and necessary to claim that there was a collusion? And we should find themselves in unknown. We never know it, because conjunction ("and") is just an idea of ours.
Even motives. Over-theorizing is not a way out, there might be plenty of motives.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Aug 9, 2019 20:58:26 GMT
I agree with you that the government could have been behind it. I don't trust governments at all. But I haven't been too up-to-date on his death. Were any suspects or motives listed? He just must have angered someone bad enough over something so they wanted to remove him as secretly as possible. The Kennedys were arrogant loose-cannon fraternity bullies who almost started World War III in order to come out as tough guys after their gutless betrayal of the Cuban patriots at the Bay of Pigs. Why would Russia ever agree to back down and lose face? Because of the plastic tinsel and glitter of the Kennedys' charisma? In order to dissolve the drama, the CIA got together with KGB. We would take our missiles out of Turkey (as threatening to Russia as the Cuban missiles were to us) and they'd take theirs out of Cuba. But the Russians couldn't let it stop there. The second phase was that the CIA would get rid of JFK and Bobby, too, if he ran for President, and the KGB would get rid of Khrushchev. Conspiracy theories on the Internet are all well-financed plants meant to mislead those who are suspicious about what is going on. It was necessary for our ruling class to make these spoiled and useless richkids look like martyred heroes. |
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Post by gater on Aug 10, 2019 1:26:24 GMT
It is my understanding that the US had not put troops in Vietnam until 1965, which is after JFK's assassination in 1963. The authorization came from congress after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, an incident which never actually happened. So, while JFK was president, there were no troops to "pull out" of Vietnam because the US had not yet put troops in Vietnam. JFK was assassinated for different reasons. Look into Operation Northwoods; this operation would have allowed for the CIA to conduct false flag attacks against US civilians in every major city in the US, which the government would then blame on Cuba and use it as justification for an invasion of Cuba. JFK would not go through with this operation and refused to approve it. I believe that this is part of the reason why he was assassinated. Was it Oswald? No. By 1961 the steady progress of the insurgency was near crisis levels. The new Kennedy administration increased American support for the Diem regime to prevent a collapse. By December of 1961, 3,200 U.S. military personnel were in Vietnam as advisors, supported by $65 million in military equipment and $136 million in economic aid. Military assistance was reorganized as the United States Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV), formed under the command of General Paul D. Harkins in February 1962. MACV was there to support the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) to defend the country. MACV included Army Special Forces (Green Beret) instructors and CIA personnel organizing the Montagnards in the mountains.
Kennedy didn't want war and wanted to get out of Vietnam - while some wanted war - Some powerful men wanted war, and they were LBJ supporters. In 1960 JFK beat LBJ in the Democratic primary, and then Kennedy asked LBJ to be his VP. LBJ was always bitter about losing to JFK. Its no coincidence that the killing took place in Texas, where LBJ was from and had been Senator.
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Post by gater on Aug 10, 2019 2:14:55 GMT
It was me (who killed the most brightly and kind president ever)... I really, really apologize... Seriously, "My belief is that our government hired Mafia hitmen to do the job" - this is what I agree with you. Who knows what exactly was there, but this version seems to be a true one. Governments have any humanity, there are soldiers, and in their bodies the blood is as green as military color. They shouldn't kill the killer so quickly, even if Oswald would have started to blame the hiring mafia members, would anyone have believed him? I don't think so. Actually, any conspiracy theory brings us nothing. It happens because our belief in a collusion gives us a spare common understanding. Let suppose we know that A, B, or C is able to happen. We could imagine that A, or B, or C separately could take place under specific conditions. Believing in "a conspiracy theory" or a collusion is like to believe that A and B, of A and C, or A, B and C may happen altogether, not separately. We still need to know separate facts, like A, or B. This lead us to the question: what conditions enough and necessary to claim that there was a collusion? And we should find themselves in unknown. We never know it, because conjunction ("and") is just an idea of ours. Even motives. Over-theorizing is not a way out, there might be plenty of motives. LBJ was always bitter about losing the Democratic primary to JFK, and he wanted to be President. Its no coincidence the killing took place in Texas, but the Vietnam situation brought about the plan to kill him. IMO |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 10, 2019 3:25:27 GMT
I agree with you that the government could have been behind it. I don't trust governments at all. But I haven't been too up-to-date on his death. Were any suspects or motives listed? He just must have angered someone bad enough over something so they wanted to remove him as secretly as possible. The Kennedys were arrogant loose-cannon fraternity bullies who almost started World War III in order to come out as tough guys after their gutless betrayal of the Cuban patriots at the Bay of Pigs. Why would Russia ever agree to back down and lose face? Because of the plastic tinsel and glitter of the Kennedys' charisma? In order to dissolve the drama, the CIA got together with KGB. We would take our missiles out of Turkey (as threatening to Russia as the Cuban missiles were to us) and they'd take theirs out of Cuba. But the Russians couldn't let it stop there. The second phase was that the CIA would get rid of JFK and Bobby, too, if he ran for President, and the KGB would get rid of Khrushchev. Conspiracy theories on the Internet are all well-financed plants meant to mislead those who are suspicious about what is going on. It was necessary for our ruling class to make these spoiled and useless richkids look like martyred heroes. I agree with you about the Kennedys and about conspiracy theories but I think its simpler than that. Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had visited the Soviet Union prior to the shooting. I think that the Soviet Union was the only party behind Oswald. Oswald was a way to kill an American president without starting World War III. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 10, 2019 11:21:24 GMT
It is my understanding that the US had not put troops in Vietnam until 1965, which is after JFK's assassination in 1963. The authorization came from congress after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, an incident which never actually happened. So, while JFK was president, there were no troops to "pull out" of Vietnam because the US had not yet put troops in Vietnam. JFK was assassinated for different reasons. Look into Operation Northwoods; this operation would have allowed for the CIA to conduct false flag attacks against US civilians in every major city in the US, which the government would then blame on Cuba and use it as justification for an invasion of Cuba. JFK would not go through with this operation and refused to approve it. I believe that this is part of the reason why he was assassinated. Was it Oswald? No. By 1961 the steady progress of the insurgency was near crisis levels. The new Kennedy administration increased American support for the Diem regime to prevent a collapse. By December of 1961, 3,200 U.S. military personnel were in Vietnam as advisors, supported by $65 million in military equipment and $136 million in economic aid. Military assistance was reorganized as the United States Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV), formed under the command of General Paul D. Harkins in February 1962. MACV was there to support the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) to defend the country. MACV included Army Special Forces (Green Beret) instructors and CIA personnel organizing the Montagnards in the mountains.
Kennedy didn't want war and wanted to get out of Vietnam - while some wanted war - Some powerful men wanted war, and they were LBJ supporters. In 1960 JFK beat LBJ in the Democratic primary, and then Kennedy asked LBJ to be his VP. LBJ was always bitter about losing to JFK. Its no coincidence that the killing took place in Texas, where LBJ was from and had been Senator.
Ah, the difference between advisors and combat troops gave me the incorrect information. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 10, 2019 11:27:36 GMT
We've Been Humped by CamelotThe Kennedys were arrogant loose-cannon fraternity bullies who almost started World War III in order to come out as tough guys after their gutless betrayal of the Cuban patriots at the Bay of Pigs. Why would Russia ever agree to back down and lose face? Because of the plastic tinsel and glitter of the Kennedys' charisma? In order to dissolve the drama, the CIA got together with KGB. We would take our missiles out of Turkey (as threatening to Russia as the Cuban missiles were to us) and they'd take theirs out of Cuba. But the Russians couldn't let it stop there. The second phase was that the CIA would get rid of JFK and Bobby, too, if he ran for President, and the KGB would get rid of Khrushchev. Conspiracy theories on the Internet are all well-financed plants meant to mislead those who are suspicious about what is going on. It was necessary for our ruling class to make these spoiled and useless richkids look like martyred heroes. I agree with you about the Kennedys and about conspiracy theories but I think its simpler than that. Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had visited the Soviet Union prior to the shooting. I think that the Soviet Union was the only party behind Oswald. Oswald was a way to kill an American president without starting World War III. All conspiracy, no theory. |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 11, 2019 3:18:34 GMT
I agree with you about the Kennedys and about conspiracy theories but I think its simpler than that. Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had visited the Soviet Union prior to the shooting. I think that the Soviet Union was the only party behind Oswald. Oswald was a way to kill an American president without starting World War III. All conspiracy, no theory. Yes, I know about Operation Northwoods, I just don't think it was the CIA or the American government that killed Kennedy. I think that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist sympathizer who had visited the Soviet Union killed the President for reasons of his own political loyalties. I see no reason reason or evidence to bring in anything else. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 11, 2019 5:28:47 GMT
Yes, I know about Operation Northwoods, I just don't think it was the CIA or the American government that killed Kennedy. I think that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist sympathizer who had visited the Soviet Union killed the President for reasons of his own political loyalties. I see no reason reason or evidence to bring in anything else. I don't know who it was, but the CIA has been known to reach out to members of mafias and mobs to do their dirty work i.e. members of the Cuban mafia were contacted that also worked for Castro and were asked to kill Castro. Moreover, one of six surgeons, Dr. Robert McClelland, who reported to the Parkland Hospital's emergency room, gave a report on what he saw. He noticed the gaping hole in the back of JFK's head and some of his brain hanging out. When he called this to the attention of the other two doctors who said they hadn't looked closely at the head wound, part of the brain fell off the gurney. He logically concluded that it was an exit wound, which meant that the round shot at JFK that hit him in the head would have had to come from the direction of the front of the limousine, which would mean that there was more than one shooter. Pictures of JFK's dead body, specifically of his head, can verify what Dr. Robert McClelland reported about his wounds. The headshot was the killshot. JFK was hit twice, once in the neck, and then in the head. The shot in the neck had an exit wound in the front of JFK's neck. I believe that maybe Oswald shot JFK in the neck, but the killshot came from someone else and from a completely different direction. |
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Post by joustos on Aug 12, 2019 21:53:57 GMT
Yes, I know about Operation Northwoods, I just don't think it was the CIA or the American government that killed Kennedy. I think that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist sympathizer who had visited the Soviet Union killed the President for reasons of his own political loyalties. I see no reason reason or evidence to bring in anything else. If I had planned the assassination of JFK, I would have set up Oswald (or a man like him) and , after the deed, I would have declared (or have someone declare) that Oswald was the assassin by telling the public that Oswald was obviously a double agent -- a CIA agent who was a sympathizer of the Soviet Union. To this day, most people believe in this double-agent explanation, which neatly covers up the real reason for the assassination. To begin with, VP LBJohnson would invite JFK to parade in Texas, on a street which could be well observed by a CIA agent who would be strategically posted in an old factory. Well, after the deed, Oswald's rifle was to disappear, and it disappeared from the collected material evidence, because, as the guardian of this collection was to say, some private citizen stole the rifle as a memento of the assassination. At the same time, part of JFK's head, blown by the shooting, disappeared on the way to the hospital where he was taken. (The hospital and staff had been prepared for all eventualities, even though we do not know who was the planner of all of these disappearences.) To make sure that not too many questions would be asked, LBJohnson asked the widow to be present at the quick and immediate ceremony of his inauguration as the next President!!! (Whereas JFK had been restrictive toward Israel, LBJ opened the doors of state secrecy and of the treasury to his People, as a biographer of this Texan has pointed out.) The culmination of the cover-up became obvious to me when I heard some details of the post-mortem investigations. Judge Warren headed the investigation by interrogating Oswald, but, amazingly, the questioning was done behind closed doors and no written or other record was made of Oswald's testimony. To make sure that Oswald would never talk and reveal what went on, an American with an ancestry like LBJ's, namely Rubin, was so stressed by JFK's death that he, while Oswald was being transferred by his jail-cell, shot and killed Oswald. I saw the scene on television, which was like that of a movie set: A corridor was lined up with policemen while Oswald was taken out of his cell, but free-floating Rubin (who had no reason was being present there) took out his pistol and murdered Oswald). Rubin was known as a talkative man, so, the occasion arose that he died in his sleep of a heart-attack. If I were the planner, I would congratulate myself for the commission of two "perfect" crimes....
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