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Post by gater on Aug 3, 2019 3:22:28 GMT
I was raised to believe in the traditional Christian God, but now im an atheist, so my idea of "God" has changed. Now my idea of "God" is the energy of the Sun that helped to created life on earth. We have Mother Earth - and "Father" Sun, and Man - this to me is the real trinity.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 4, 2019 1:24:20 GMT
He's an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent being who existed before anything else existed. He created the entirety of existence and is perfect in both love and justice. He is not a distant God at all as those that he has called to be his children have a personal relationship with him. The nature of his existence is spiritual, he is a spirit every bit as real as you or me but of a different substance. He has no beginning and has no end; he is eternal and one day every human and celestial being that has ever existed will be judged by him and whether their destination is eternal paradise or the lake of fire they will all bow and confess that he is God. No one is above him and no one can escape his wrath except those who believe in his son Jesus. u just pasted my profile Clovi . think of something original. wait his son Jesus . is jesus not the god for u . what end of the reproduction cycle are we looking at Jesus Christ is God made flesh. He birthed himself into this world to a virgin woman by the means of the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus is God, and the son of God both. Yes, Jesus is my God.
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Post by joustos on Aug 4, 2019 15:44:35 GMT
He's an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent being who existed before anything else existed. He created the entirety of existence and is perfect in both love and justice. He is not a distant God at all as those that he has called to be his children have a personal relationship with him. The nature of his existence is spiritual, he is a spirit every bit as real as you or me but of a different substance. He has no beginning and has no end; he is eternal and one day every human and celestial being that has ever existed will be judged by him and whether their destination is eternal paradise or the lake of fire they will all bow and confess that he is God. No one is above him and no one can escape his wrath except those who believe in his son Jesus. The case has been made in various ways that God is a cruel god, not the perfect love that some theologians have attributed to Him. If He were omniscient, he would have been a better engineer of human and other organisms. A spiritual substance? Whence this idea of spirituality? You conceive God in the same way that theologians have conceived Him, not according to any acquaintance you have of Him. (He/Him is a person. How do we know any human person?)
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 4, 2019 18:01:44 GMT
I don't believe in a God that has consciousness. God to me is the infinite energy of the Universe - however to be more specific - The Sun and earth together created life on this planet. And don't we attach the term "God" to what created life? All consciousness is grounded in the connection and separation of axioms. The most universal axiom is the simple dot. All awareness is grounded in assumption where the point of observation is the observer itself. The observer recoetively assumes an axiom based upon an empty mind, which is conducive to a boundless field. It protectively assumes by projecting an axiom (forming a building from abstraction) into emptiness (ie the building can only be projected into reality if it is not there). Awareness begins with void, and void is the grounding for the universal axiom of the point. The simple ever present dot is conducive to "Divine Mind". God is the point. The point is rational and beyond reason simultaneously.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 5, 2019 3:21:43 GMT
He's an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent being who existed before anything else existed. He created the entirety of existence and is perfect in both love and justice. He is not a distant God at all as those that he has called to be his children have a personal relationship with him. The nature of his existence is spiritual, he is a spirit every bit as real as you or me but of a different substance. He has no beginning and has no end; he is eternal and one day every human and celestial being that has ever existed will be judged by him and whether their destination is eternal paradise or the lake of fire they will all bow and confess that he is God. No one is above him and no one can escape his wrath except those who believe in his son Jesus. The case has been made in various ways that God is a cruel god, not the perfect love that some theologians have attributed to Him. If He were omniscient, he would have been a better engineer of human and other organisms. A spiritual substance? Whence this idea of spirituality? You conceive God in the same way that theologians have conceived Him, not according to any acquaintance you have of Him. (He/Him is a person. How do we know any human person?) The case has been made many times, but I don't agree with the case that God is cruel. What is seen in the Old Testament is the severity and seriousness of sin. Sinners do deserve a horrible death which is why Jesus had to take our deserved punishment in our place. You forget that I said God is perfect in justice and that justice is just as important as his love. As for being a better engineer of humans and organisms, I think he's done pretty well. He's created many beautiful organisms, and filled the world with beautiful plants, and created the human species in his image which have a staggering amount of intelligence and achievements in their name. Looking upon nature fills most men with awe and wonder. God's creation is a marvelous thing. This idea of spirituality is found in the Bible which says that God is a spirit. Spirit is not the same as flesh, it is of a different substance. The theologians conceive of God in the same manner the Bible conceives of God. The Bible is God's inspired word. The God I know personally is the God of the Bible which is why it is no coincidence that his qualities match the Bible.
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 19:02:03 GMT
I don't blame anyone for what they believe - but there is no God of the Bible - the Bible was written by men that learned the concept of God, but they didn't know the truth. The truth is that the earth evolved from a burning planet with no life to what we see now. Life started in the Oceans, and over billions of years life has evolved in many ways. Man has become intelligent enough to understand himself and the Universe.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 8, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
I don't blame anyone for what they believe - but there is no God of the Bible - the Bible was written by men that learned the concept of God, but they didn't know the truth. The truth is that the earth evolved from a burning planet with no life to what we see now. Life started in the Oceans, and over billions of years life has evolved in many ways. Man has become intelligent enough to understand himself and the Universe. Since you were a Christian in the past by upbringing...is your family still Christian? Did you tell them why you weren't a Christian if they asked? And if I'm correct here you lost your faith mostly in college or around college age by studying science/evolution? I ask because that's usually what science in college says that life started in the oceans and rain turned rocks into life and those living rocks became different living things by evolving. I never could understand how rocks became living things so even though I like science a lot it just doesn't make sense on everything to me personally. But if you were able to understand that process than you've probably seen more science theories taking place than me!
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 8, 2019 20:46:25 GMT
Oh, it's so sad to see another atheist. (I used to be an atheist after being a christian. Now, I'm not an atheist anymore, I've returned to God, and I do not feel sorry for this decision.)
If you think that God is kinda Sun energy (or an energy of cosmos), then you haven't changed your position. No one has seen God, and there's no big deal how to imagine God, if you're keeping his promises in your heart, and keep your way corresponding to God's words.
I do agree with you about the idea of Trinity. Personally, I see this 'trinity' almost everywhere. Since rumors and serious talks in philosophy of mathematics have been started to think what mathematics is, I think they're being walked by their blindness. A simple function formulation relates x to y in a way of z. We can adjust anything to this, but we cannot relates x to y without z. Even having an x, we would have another x, and another one to build a very plain construction. (Yes, it's just my own opinion. I'm not very good in philosophy of math, and high philosophy materials as well.)
I hope you'll find what you're looking for.
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 20:52:18 GMT
I don't blame anyone for what they believe - but there is no God of the Bible - the Bible was written by men that learned the concept of God, but they didn't know the truth. The truth is that the earth evolved from a burning planet with no life to what we see now. Life started in the Oceans, and over billions of years life has evolved in many ways. Man has become intelligent enough to understand himself and the Universe. Since you were a Christian in the past by upbringing...is your family still Christian? Did you tell them why you weren't a Christian if they asked? And if I'm correct here you lost your faith mostly in college or around college age by studying science/evolution? I ask because that's usually what science in college says that life started in the oceans and rain turned rocks into life and those living rocks became different living things by evolving. I never could understand how rocks became living things so even though I like science a lot it just doesn't make sense on everything to me personally. But if you were able to understand that process than you've probably seen more science theories taking place than me!
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 20:59:42 GMT
Yes I was raised in The Church of Christ - and I believed until shortly after I turned 18. I realized that given billions of years, life could evolve and it all started to make sense. Life didn't start from rocks, as the oceans cooled, matter started attracting other matter and started to form according to the forces around it. We are probably many years from fully understanding this step. But all of the available evidence points to evolution as being true.
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 21:19:43 GMT
Oh, it's so sad to see another atheist. (I used to be an atheist after being a christian. Now, I'm not an atheist anymore, I've returned to God, and I do not feel sorry for this decision.) If you think that God is kinda Sun energy (or an energy of cosmos), then you haven't changed your position. No one has seen God, and there's no big deal how to imagine God, if you're keeping his promises in your heart, and keep your way corresponding to God's words. I do agree with you about the idea of Trinity. Personally, I see this 'trinity' almost everywhere. Since rumors and serious talks in philosophy of mathematics have been started to think what mathematics is, I think they're being walked by their blindness. A simple function formulation relates x to y in a way of z. We can adjust anything to this, but we cannot relates x to y without z. Even having an x, we would have another x, and another one to build a very plain construction. (Yes, it's just my own opinion. I'm not very good in philosophy of math, and high philosophy materials as well.) I hope you'll find what you're looking for.
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Post by gater on Aug 8, 2019 21:22:48 GMT
You are thinking of God as something that has consciousness. Ive never seen any evidence of that kind of God. But if I am free to redefine "God" - I would say its the forces that created life.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 8, 2019 23:04:44 GMT
You are thinking of God as something that has consciousness. Ive never seen any evidence of that kind of God. But if I am free to redefine "God" - I would say its the forces that created life. Well, you know, at first sight you seem to be right, but there are lots of arguments pro it; I mean there are plenty of pretty solid arguments that something that we call "consciousness" exists. I won't declare that I can prove it. Instead of building some not well-looking constructions, I'm gonna bring some backed interesting things. Ok, here's first one: a) Any of our thinking acts (i.e. a simple or complex inference; e.g. 'All humans are mortals', 'Socrates is mortal'...) that have to be true necessary contain at least one general judgement; any tries of avoiding this leads to logically unstable position; b) General judgments have at least one unknown thing; e.g. 'For all x, x are blue'. "For all" is a necessary generalization that similar to induction act like n, n+1, n+2, n+3... n+k... and so on. We never sure about this "for all". (Yes, I know that it's not whole truth to say that there's an induction here. Some arguments pro it can be found in Russell's "Philosophy of Logical Atomism" in his first three of four lectures.) c) It would be very poor to not agree that syncategorematic terms are very useful. For example, to add two to two we don't need anything, but we're symbolizing "+" in formulas, because it makes lot things plainer, and easier. The same is for minus, quantifiers, a root symbol and many others. The same is for languages too, because an explicit language is a matter of using symbols; d) Behaviour of human is more complex and unpredictable than any other things in Universe. Well, this could be false iff there is a thing that more interesting than our consciousness (our mind, the brain's main function, etc). What do I think about it? I think that there's no good way to find it. Why? Because our mind is our instrument to search something. In any of experiments our mind would be an X component. We can't get rid of that quickly. e) The Nature has consciousness, or at least it is made by a consciousness creator. Nature plays as a man (macrocosm), but when we're searching our brains are functioning. Each way we put 'the creator' to this if we think that there is a reason for a thing to change itself. Declaring no reasons (as Hume did) in Nature no leads us the answer, because with this denying we're destroying an unknown components in our general judgments. We put ourselves to something, but it doesn't mean a bad way. The Nature is amazingly elegant in its creation.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 8, 2019 23:19:41 GMT
You are thinking of God as something that has consciousness. Ive never seen any evidence of that kind of God. But if I am free to redefine "God" - I would say its the forces that created life. ...And the second part of the answer about "the force". Actually, it doesn't really matter which kind of thing put to it. "Force", or "the spirit"... Natural languages changes constantly, and word shapes not seldom might influence directly on meaning. "Force" sounds newtonian, while "the spirit" sounds more mystically. In Christianity (and Judaism, and Islam too) God is a person. In our primitive view, a person is someone who has a consciousness, and also who created himself up as a unique, unrepeatable one, or something like that. A creative person. So, we admire two abilities: of rationality, and of creativity. We don't sure what to do best. We're always hesitating. There are lots of philosophical ethics questions, like, for example, a famous "the trolley problem". We're questioning, while a perfect being is able to solve this. We can't create the Universe, while the one can do it. Until we believe in Bible that it discovers us God we will believe in God, reading it, studying it, and doing how it is written in it. I see no big trouble with an idea of God. This idea is rather corresponds our views than destroys them.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 8, 2019 23:28:31 GMT
Yes I was raised in The Church of Christ - and I believed until shortly after I turned 18. I realized that given billions of years, life could evolve and it all started to make sense. Life didn't start from rocks, as the oceans cooled, matter started attracting other matter and started to form according to the forces around it. We are probably many years from fully understanding this step. But all of the available evidence points to evolution as being true. Maybe we're confusing each other or just wording this differently. But you believe this following sentence as scientists believe it correct? "scientists have not been able to explain how that inanimate rock transformed into the building blocks of life." "The mystery of how living organisms sprung out of lifeless rock has long puzzled scientists.." So rocks (nonliving) transformed into building blocks of life to bring forth living organisms is what scientists say. Quoted from: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404122234.htm
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 9, 2019 0:10:02 GMT
Yes I was raised in The Church of Christ - and I believed until shortly after I turned 18. I realized that given billions of years, life could evolve and it all started to make sense. Life didn't start from rocks, as the oceans cooled, matter started attracting other matter and started to form according to the forces around it. We are probably many years from fully understanding this step. But all of the available evidence points to evolution as being true. I apologize for my intrusion into your dialogue, but I want to say that the question of raising 'living organisms' from rocks or another form of the Nature as well as the question of evolution status doesn't really help us in finding God or its disproving. Imagine that scientists invented a machine that makes people from rocks, and people indeed had consciousness, they act like us. And what would it give to us? Some economical or political fruits. It would be hopeless in ethics, it would add us some even more complex problems (compare this to "The Blade Runner", or "The Terminator". We get just more troubles with technique, rather that solves our problems with it). I do not want to object science or creating instruments, or inventing tools, but a human is not skin and bones, and some protein muscles in it, it's something that made our history and our culture as well. God is love ("He is not the God of the dead, but of the living" Mark 12:27), and God is life. Life is something more that creating it with powers of Nature. It's just a matter of reduction, just one way of the myriads of it. Teaching your dog how to laugh is an art, and a technique; helping your mom or dad in the garden has the same effect; giving a hand to your employee could be an important part of your life. Expanding life is not less important, than to trying to build it with children cubes.
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