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Post by greatestiam on Jun 28, 2019 19:32:38 GMT
What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?
The Gnostic Cathars thought themselves to be a peaceful good man religion and basically the only good non-violent Christians.
History is showing that that was true. That is due to the fact that they did not war against other religions the way the other Christians of those days did. As Christians and other religionists will attest, and usually don’t, that all the religions in those days were war like and war loving. They gorged on blood and shit.
Most except for esoteric ecumenist Gnostics, who warred with their mouths, instead of inquisitions, jihads and holy wars.
Gnostics knew how to live in peace, but as history has shown us, the good die young and the evil grows threw murder and corruption. Hurray for the mainstream religions.
Gnostic against Gnostic is nice because, as esoteric ecumenists, we respect each other as doing what Jesus taught and that was to seek god perpetually, but never find him. Jesus was from an old school single eye shaman or guru training in Egypt, knowledge seekers and not god worshipers; and told us to look to our emotions as well as our minds for the best rules and laws to live by.
We know what those best laws are but do not implement them; because they lead to piece and people want the drama of war.
You are not following a good god, you are following man’s law and Trump shows how badly all of man’s laws are working.
We have all put the god of money above all the gods except for the most evil gods that man has created. The Yahweh and Allah twins.
We have no choice in this thanks to our oligarch masters.
The Yahweh and Allah twins cannot possibly exist. He would certainly punish such a flagrant insult. Instead, the twins hide. Being made in our image, god is quite insecure. That is what being good does, as the good know that when people want a powerful god, that basically means that they are evil as well, as they are to emulate god. A genocidal god who kills when he can cure.
We follow secular law and not god’s barbaric laws.
We look for security in dollars and war and not god’s power.
Secular law is teaching us better morals and ethics than religions.
God should capitulate because he has lost the war.
We have all put another god above all the gods.
Religions die hard. Laïcité is cushioning the blows as gently as it can but too many religionists will still die. Unless the world goes esoteric ecumenist like Jesus was.
It is too bad that we all want gods of war instead of a god of peace.
Do you have any idea as to how to mitigate that bias?
It might be written in our selfish gene and wanting an evil god might be good.
Regards DL
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 28, 2019 19:47:39 GMT
"Origin. In the beginning, people had nothing. Their bodies ached, and their hearts held nothing but hatred. They fought endlessly, but death never came. They despaired, stuck in the eternal quagmire". "Birth. A man offered a serpent to the sun and prayed for salvation. A woman offered a reed to the sun and asked for joy. Feeling pity for the sadness that had overrun the earth, God was born from those two people". "Salvation. God made time and divided it into day and night. God outlined the road to salvation and gave people joy. And God took endless time away from the people". "Creation. God created beings to lead people in obedience to Her. The red god, Xuchilbara; the yellow god, Lobsel Vith; many gods and angels. Finally, God set out to create Paradise, where people would be happy just by being there". "Promise. But there God’s strength ran out, and She collapsed. All the world’s people grieved this unfortunate event, yet God breathed Her last. She returned to the dust, promising to come again". "Faith. So God hasn’t been lost. We must offer our prayers and not forget our faith. We wait in hope for the day when the path to Paradise will be opened". (from Silent Hill 3)
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Post by greatestiam on Jul 8, 2019 14:55:25 GMT
"Origin. In the beginning, people had nothing. Their bodies ached, and their hearts held nothing but hatred. They fought endlessly, but death never came. They despaired, stuck in the eternal quagmire". "Birth. A man offered a serpent to the sun and prayed for salvation. A woman offered a reed to the sun and asked for joy. Feeling pity for the sadness that had overrun the earth, God was born from those two people". "Salvation. God made time and divided it into day and night. God outlined the road to salvation and gave people joy. And God took endless time away from the people". "Creation. God created beings to lead people in obedience to Her. The red god, Xuchilbara; the yellow god, Lobsel Vith; many gods and angels. Finally, God set out to create Paradise, where people would be happy just by being there". "Promise. But there God’s strength ran out, and She collapsed. All the world’s people grieved this unfortunate event, yet God breathed Her last. She returned to the dust, promising to come again". "Faith. So God hasn’t been lost. We must offer our prayers and not forget our faith. We wait in hope for the day when the path to Paradise will be opened". (from Silent Hill 3) Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject. The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18] How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist? Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.” “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.” This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the believers mind as it is pure idol worship. Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears. Regards DL
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 12, 2019 17:08:03 GMT
"Origin. In the beginning, people had nothing. Their bodies ached, and their hearts held nothing but hatred. They fought endlessly, but death never came. They despaired, stuck in the eternal quagmire". "Birth. A man offered a serpent to the sun and prayed for salvation. A woman offered a reed to the sun and asked for joy. Feeling pity for the sadness that had overrun the earth, God was born from those two people". "Salvation. God made time and divided it into day and night. God outlined the road to salvation and gave people joy. And God took endless time away from the people". "Creation. God created beings to lead people in obedience to Her. The red god, Xuchilbara; the yellow god, Lobsel Vith; many gods and angels. Finally, God set out to create Paradise, where people would be happy just by being there". "Promise. But there God’s strength ran out, and She collapsed. All the world’s people grieved this unfortunate event, yet God breathed Her last. She returned to the dust, promising to come again". "Faith. So God hasn’t been lost. We must offer our prayers and not forget our faith. We wait in hope for the day when the path to Paradise will be opened". (from Silent Hill 3) Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Well, I didn't tell anything about faith. I just posted a fragment of cult scriptures from a game called Silent Hill 3. Anyway, I don't agree with your "faith is closing minds" reception. No, it's not completely truth. Faith accepts new realities, new ontologies. Your having no faith is leading to contradictions when you're having a conversation with a man who talks something weird, strange, uncommon.
I'd say to be open-minded faith is required highly.Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject. Logic is a power, but the bravest spirits and keenest minds keep having faith for good. Yes, logic is kinda tool for a white guy, but it won't help bare knuckles to end a fight. The strongest force is a force of the spirit. Why? Because in logic mind is necessary for solving, in spirit there's absolutely nothing but a spirit.
The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18] It might be a mistranslation of misunderstanding. God can do whatever he wants to.How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist? Logic is a tool. There's no objections to not use it.Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.” “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.” This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the believers mind as it is pure idol worship. Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears. Reg uards D EL L
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Post by greatestiam on Jul 13, 2019 15:03:06 GMT
"God can do whatever he wants to."
Many are called, few listen.
God is a genocidal son murderer who, like his religions, promote homophobia and misogyny.
It seems that god cannot get the majority to follow his genocidal son murdering lead. Moral people, the majority, recognize a satanic prick when they see one.
If your god could do whatever he wanted, he would have the power we do of reproducing pure blood. All your satanic god can do is use bestiality to impregnate a woman, after coveting her and cuckolding Joseph and then becoming a deadbeat dad to his half breed chimera god.
Man is more capable than your satanic god.
Regards DL
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Post by jonbain on Jul 13, 2019 18:32:37 GMT
greatestiamthru man, both God, and Satan act most deeply.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 13, 2019 19:08:49 GMT
"God can do whatever he wants to."
Many are called, few listen.
God is a genocidal son murderer who, like his religions, promote homophobia and misogyny.
It seems that god cannot get the majority to follow his genocidal son murdering lead. Moral people, the majority, recognize a satanic prick when they see one.
If your god could do whatever he wanted, he would have the power we do of reproducing pure blood. All your satanic god can do is use bestiality to impregnate a woman, after coveting her and cuckolding Joseph and then becoming a deadbeat dad to his half breed chimera god.
Man is more capable than your satanic god.
Regards DL No, man isn't as powerful is God. Man can produce only imaginations and words, no real things. Who cares about those set of words? Who needs words? God is a Word, He's more than a word, because his word is a Word. All those moral crap is nothing, but what Nietzsche called as a moral of slaves. Slaves call "leaders" as "usurp strangers", "honorable persons" as "cruel wiesels", and so on. There's no need to use here this type of morality. God is more higher than that.
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Post by greatestiam on Jul 14, 2019 18:54:52 GMT
greatestiam thru man, both God, and Satan act most deeply.
I agree.
It is and always has been only humans. Only fools believe in the supernatural.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jul 14, 2019 18:57:20 GMT
"God can do whatever he wants to."
Many are called, few listen.
God is a genocidal son murderer who, like his religions, promote homophobia and misogyny.
It seems that god cannot get the majority to follow his genocidal son murdering lead. Moral people, the majority, recognize a satanic prick when they see one.
If your god could do whatever he wanted, he would have the power we do of reproducing pure blood. All your satanic god can do is use bestiality to impregnate a woman, after coveting her and cuckolding Joseph and then becoming a deadbeat dad to his half breed chimera god.
Man is more capable than your satanic god.
Regards DL No, man isn't as powerful is God. Man can produce only imaginations and words, no real things. Who cares about those set of words? Who needs words? God is a Word, He's more than a word, because his word is a Word. All those moral crap is nothing, but what Nietzsche called as a moral of slaves. Slaves call "leaders" as "usurp strangers", "honorable persons" as "cruel wiesels", and so on. There's no need to use here this type of morality. God is more higher than that.
Nice that you see a genocidal and infanticidal god as moral.
You show how your religion has corrupted you moral sense.
Regards DL
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 14, 2019 19:57:22 GMT
No, man isn't as powerful is God. Man can produce only imaginations and words, no real things. Who cares about those set of words? Who needs words? God is a Word, He's more than a word, because his word is a Word. All those moral crap is nothing, but what Nietzsche called as a moral of slaves. Slaves call "leaders" as "usurp strangers", "honorable persons" as "cruel wiesels", and so on. There's no need to use here this type of morality. God is more higher than that.
Nice that you see a genocidal and infanticidal god as moral.
You show how your religion has corrupted you moral sense.
Regards DL
Ok, so you're still on an utopia way. Maybe you propose a life without wars, without quarrels, with absolute peace and eternal heaven... but you know, I've heard it once already. Many religions and ideologies proposed the same way, but what they brought, except what you were trying to find something objective there. So, what this discussion about? You want to say that you've found a brilliantly perfect god? If you're not, than why pointing at what you might call it as "moral aberrations"? Nothing in this world is perfect. A land was swallowed by a demon, and his lousy tactics blinded us in our understanding of each other. What you call "white" is black, and what you call "black" is white. Also, any religion must screw something up, because of social manner of it. A religion has no sense without a society, and as long as it is, all that blames go not to religion's, but to society's side. All that signs of "moral aberrations" belong to societies morality much more, than religious. Without saints we wouldn't be aware of what holiness was.
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Post by greatestiam on Jul 14, 2019 20:16:26 GMT
Nice that you see a genocidal and infanticidal god as moral.
You show how your religion has corrupted you moral sense.
Regards DL
Ok, so you're still on an utopia way. Maybe you propose a life without wars, without quarrels, with absolute peace and eternal heaven... but you know, I've heard it once already. Many religions and ideologies proposed the same way, but what they brought, except what you were trying to find something objective there. So, what this discussion about? You want to say that you've found a brilliantly perfect god? If you're not, than why pointing at what you might call it as "moral aberrations"? Nothing in this world is perfect. A land was swallowed by a demon, and his lousy tactics blinded us in our understanding of each other. What you call "white" is black, and what you call "black" is white. Also, any religion must screw something up, because of social manner of it. A religion has no sense without a society, and as long as it is, all that blames go not to religion's, but to society's side. All that signs of "moral aberrations" belong to societies morality much more, than religious. Without saints we wouldn't be aware of what holiness was.
B.S.
Mankind has all kinds of ideas as to what we think are ideal attributes and it is not saints who idol worship genocidal son murdering prick of a god as you do.
You ask what the discussion is about? Simple. It is about why you want or have settled for an evil god instead of seeking a good one.
Care to enlighten us?
Regards DL
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 20, 2019 16:37:27 GMT
Ok, so you're still on an utopia way. Maybe you propose a life without wars, without quarrels, with absolute peace and eternal heaven... but you know, I've heard it once already. Many religions and ideologies proposed the same way, but what they brought, except what you were trying to find something objective there. So, what this discussion about? You want to say that you've found a brilliantly perfect god? If you're not, than why pointing at what you might call it as "moral aberrations"? Nothing in this world is perfect. A land was swallowed by a demon, and his lousy tactics blinded us in our understanding of each other. What you call "white" is black, and what you call "black" is white. Also, any religion must screw something up, because of social manner of it. A religion has no sense without a society, and as long as it is, all that blames go not to religion's, but to society's side. All that signs of "moral aberrations" belong to societies morality much more, than religious. Without saints we wouldn't be aware of what holiness was.
B.S.
Mankind has all kinds of ideas as to what we think are ideal attributes and it is not saints who idol worship genocidal son murdering prick of a god as you do.
You ask what the discussion is about? Simple. It is about why you want or have settled for an evil god instead of seeking a good one.
Care to enlighten us?
Regards DL
No, my Christian God - is totally perfect. I believe in Him, and because I know that He exists, I know that I can do good things for people, and He will help me with it. We can't do nothing good without Him, but all the bad and evil on this planet is beyond His will. Yes, He let evil happen, so what? Without evil life would be senseless. Many philosophers tried to create the perfect "secular heaven", but all their work did nothing. Nobody created universe, nobody rebuild life. He gave us a chance, a gift of life. That gift is incredible itself. We don't need to use here all these "bad", "good", "evil", "worst" and the other - all is nothing comparing to existence in the universe itself. Having a chance to appear in the universe as a worm, as a tiny microbe, as a wolf, a bird, a goat, a river, a rock, a man, a crowd, a building, a society, or as a planet - all these chances incredible, because nothing can be compared to it - to have a chance to exist. So, God is a source of existence. In existence there are plenty of any forms and kinds of anything. We can choose whatever we want, but the chosen chooses to be with the Creator.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2019 16:45:26 GMT
B.S.
Mankind has all kinds of ideas as to what we think are ideal attributes and it is not saints who idol worship genocidal son murdering prick of a god as you do.
You ask what the discussion is about? Simple. It is about why you want or have settled for an evil god instead of seeking a good one.
Care to enlighten us?
Regards DL
No, my Christian God - is totally perfect. I believe in Him, and because I know that He exists, I know that I can do good things for people, and He will help me with it. So, God is a source of existence. In existence there are plenty of any forms and kinds of anything. We can choose whatever we want, but the chosen chooses to be with the Creator. Nicely stated. I didn't know you got this deep into Christianity but I hope you are happy with choosing God and you'll get the rewards of it especially in the next life. How are you anyway? Hope things are well for you.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 20, 2019 18:40:11 GMT
No, my Christian God - is totally perfect. I believe in Him, and because I know that He exists, I know that I can do good things for people, and He will help me with it. So, God is a source of existence. In existence there are plenty of any forms and kinds of anything. We can choose whatever we want, but the chosen chooses to be with the Creator. Nicely stated. I didn't know you got this deep into Christianity but I hope you are happy with choosing God and you'll get the rewards of it especially in the next life. How are you anyway? Hope things are well for you. Thank YOU, Elizabeth! Your words as always are warm and sincere! Well, I'm quite fine, but there have occurred some circumstances that start keeping me from a chance to get full web contact. That's why I'm not often online now; I try to connect at least once a week though. Surely, I am a Christian. And - what is important - this forum, and especially you (I am serious) have some good influences on my choice about it. As you remember joining here at first time I was an atheist, but I did quit. I was wrong. Yes, before getting myself into an atheism I was a believer, but would I become a one again without this forum? I highly doubt about it. I don't like atheism now. I can't even understand the ones who believe in atheism.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2019 18:47:45 GMT
Nicely stated. I didn't know you got this deep into Christianity but I hope you are happy with choosing God and you'll get the rewards of it especially in the next life. How are you anyway? Hope things are well for you. Thank YOU, Elizabeth! Your words as always are warm and sincere! Well, I'm quite fine, but there have occurred some circumstances that start keeping me from a chance to get full web contact. That's why I'm not often online now; I try to connect at least once a week though. Surely, I am a Christian. And - what is important - this forum, and especially you (I am serious) have some good influences on my choice about it. As you remember joining here at first time I was an atheist, but I did quit. I was wrong. Yes, before getting myself into an atheism I was a believer, but would I become a one again without this forum? I highly doubt about it. I don't like atheism now. I can't even understand the ones who believe in atheism. Well, we're always here for you at Arktos. You have a strong support system here! I think it's a good Arktos family
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