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Post by joustos on Jun 20, 2019 15:52:21 GMT
In southern Italy there is a wooded plateau called Sila, which has a few towns. One town is called Campana since the Middle Ages [="Bell", with some myths to explain this denomination). Its former is Calaserna (or Kalasarna), as reported By Strabo In the Roman period of Augusts. This name is apparently Greek and various etymological explanations have been given, but I have no information as to when it may have been founded -- probably, along with Sybaris etc., a few centuries B.C.
Within the perimeter of Kalasarna/Campana, there is a height with the remains of megalithic structures, one of which is easily identifiable as an elephant. Now, as fortune would have it, in 1017 there was a drought and the nearby Lake Cecita dried up. Tereafter, they discovered bones at the bottom of the former lake, and research is still going on. However enough has been found to speak of the whole skeleton of an elephant, which has nearly straight tusks and can be classified as "Elephas Antiquus". I have found, and others have found, a similarity between the fossil elephant and the megalithic elephant. You may also consult: www.inviatodanessuno.it?p=8359
Elephas Antiquus lived in many European places one million years ago. So, we could infer that the megalithic structure was made by some humans who were familiar with the real ones . However, there are time issues. Human fossils with stone tools have been found in the near Apulia (southern Italy) and in the Causasian Georgia from ca. 1.8 million years ago. Were humans capable of producing megaliths (like the European and the American ones and the African ones) within one million years??? What tools are required to fashion in stone an elephant or the Sphinx or the walls of Machu Pichu??? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 5, 2019 22:05:08 GMT
Joustos your link didn't work, at least for me. But here we are talking about a structure that looks like an animal correct? Then most likely it is man made. Nature on its own cannot make something like that naturally. It isn't a sculpture builder. That's just a plain fact. Not that it can't have sculptures but it can't have ones depicting things so well. So seems this elephant is human made. However, I wouldn't use millions of years but thousands.  |
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Post by karl on Jul 5, 2019 22:08:28 GMT
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Post by sculptor on Jul 6, 2019 10:18:15 GMT
Joustos your link didn't work, at least for me. But here we are talking about a structure that looks like an animal correct? Then most likely it is man made. Nature on its own cannot make something like that naturally. It isn't a sculpture builder. That's just a plain fact. Not that it can't have sculptures but it can't have ones depicting things so well. So seems this elephant is human made. However, I wouldn't use millions of years but thousands. There is a reason that my name is sculptor. I also have a degree in ancient history and archaeology. Nature builds faces in clouds all the time; in the bark of trees. From one angle, and one alone it might be an elephant. Even if it was originally an elephant sculpted with intention, the Iron Age date offered by the site I looked at would not make that at all unusual. Your reference to the long tusk fossil is not relevant to either case, since they went extinct 50,000bp. But since you have not given a reference to this claim, I can dismiss it until you do. |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 6, 2019 10:23:27 GMT
Joustos your link didn't work, at least for me. But here we are talking about a structure that looks like an animal correct? Then most likely it is man made. Nature on its own cannot make something like that naturally. It isn't a sculpture builder. That's just a plain fact. Not that it can't have sculptures but it can't have ones depicting things so well. So seems this elephant is human made. However, I wouldn't use millions of years but thousands. There is a reason that my name is sculptor. I also have a degree in ancient history and archaeology. Nature builds faces in clouds all the time; in the bark of trees. People see what they can. In abstract sculpture people see more than you could imagine. From one angle, it might be an elephant. Even if it was originally an elephant sculpted with intention, the Iron Age date offered by the site I looked at would not make that at all unusual. Without knowing the specific erosion rates of that rock on that site it is not possible to date without nearby datable material. And could be anywhere through the Roman period. Your reference to the long tusk fossil is not relevant to either case, since they went extinct 50,000bp. But since you have not given a reference to this claim, I can dismiss it until you do. |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 6, 2019 10:31:09 GMT
It is a tragedy to think that the majority of the erosion might be a very recent origin, caused by acid pollution which sandstone is particularly vulnerable to.
You have only to compare Napoleonic drawings of the sphinx in Cairo to realise that he made it through to the 18ThC relatively unscathed, but that today there is little left of it.
I wonder if there any old drawings made of these objects before the modern era.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 6, 2019 17:36:37 GMT
There is a reason that my name is sculptor. I also have a degree in ancient history and archaeology. Nature builds faces in clouds all the time; in the bark of trees. People see what they can. In abstract sculpture people see more than you could imagine. From one angle, it might be an elephant. Even if it was originally an elephant sculpted with intention, the Iron Age date offered by the site I looked at would not make that at all unusual. Without knowing the specific erosion rates of that rock on that site it is not possible to date without nearby datable material. And could be anywhere through the Roman period. Your reference to the long tusk fossil is not relevant to either case, since they went extinct 50,000bp. But since you have not given a reference to this claim, I can dismiss it until you do. What dating methods was used here for that? Carbon dating? I am still shocked that's a thing because it made the same animal be 2 different years and was with a big gap in the years too. And this is just one example of its inaccuracy. Which would be illogical for one animal to be like 2 billion and 4 billion years at the same time. Yet science still keeps it when it's not scientific.  |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 7, 2019 22:18:28 GMT
What dating methods was used here for that? Carbon dating? I am still shocked that's a thing because it made the same animal be 2 different years and was with a big gap in the years too. And this is just one example of its inaccuracy. Which would be illogical for one animal to be like 2 billion and 4 billion years at the same time. Yet science still keeps it when it's not scientific. Please cite example. You are ignorant. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 8, 2019 5:26:18 GMT
What dating methods was used here for that? Carbon dating? I am still shocked that's a thing because it made the same animal be 2 different years and was with a big gap in the years too. And this is just one example of its inaccuracy. Which would be illogical for one animal to be like 2 billion and 4 billion years at the same time. Yet science still keeps it when it's not scientific. Please cite example. You are ignorant. No problem. I learned this stuff a long time ago. Here's 2 sources. I can provide more if needed. 1. wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/08/carbon14-dating-flaw-discovered-co2-uptake-isnt-as-predictable-as-once-thought/And this next source clearly says you can't use anything too old if you're going to use carbon dating. "Carbon dating is unreliable for objects older than about 30,000 years..." 2. www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us/errors-are-feared-in-carbon-dating.htmlKnow what that means? Anything it recorded for millions or billions of years is FALSE. It can't date beyond 30,000. Currently, there is nothing reliable to date for billions of years that people claim the earth is. This isn't ignorance, but facts. So, I ask again. What methods are you using for these crazy dates? |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 9, 2019 12:10:47 GMT
What your link actually says... 1)" Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years." 2) The Lavant and the North seem to have different carbon curves. Palaeontology NEVER relied on RC dating, which has always had limits beyond 10k bp. And since human civilisation does not go back 30,000 years there are many other methods There are several other more reliable and older datable methods. e.g. uranium-thorium dating; potassium argon; ERS, OSL, biostratigraphy; As I said "you are ignorant". Your last is just some idiot undergrad essay posted to the internet. www.chem.uwec.edu/Chem115_F00/nelsolar/chem.htm |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 9, 2019 16:31:28 GMT
What your link actually says... 1)" Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years." 2) The Lavant and the North seem to have different carbon curves. Palaeontology NEVER relied on RC dating, which has always had limits beyond 10k bp. And since human civilisation does not go back 30,000 years there are many other methods There are several other more reliable and older datable methods. e.g. uranium-thorium dating; potassium argon; ERS, OSL, biostratigraphy; As I said "you are ignorant". Your last is just some idiot undergrad essay posted to the internet. www.chem.uwec.edu/Chem115_F00/nelsolar/chem.htmI was speaking about carbon dating. That if you read the fails...it doesn't even know if something is dead or alive so obviously it can't really date under 30,000 years correctly anyway. This is just facts and not ignorance. People knew this method failed over 30 years ago and yet some still use it. Now that's ignorance. And I didn't mention the other methods of dating but we can get into them too. I simply asked which one you used and you wanted to talk about the failed carbon dating. Any scientist still using carbon dating should be fired from his job. He's dumber than a living child because they living child will say they're 5 years old and not lie and he'd say no you are 2,500 years old!  |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 10, 2019 18:50:08 GMT
What your link actually says... 1)" Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years." 2) The Lavant and the North seem to have different carbon curves. Palaeontology NEVER relied on RC dating, which has always had limits beyond 10k bp. And since human civilisation does not go back 30,000 years there are many other methods There are several other more reliable and older datable methods. e.g. uranium-thorium dating; potassium argon; ERS, OSL, biostratigraphy; As I said "you are ignorant". Your last is just some idiot undergrad essay posted to the internet. www.chem.uwec.edu/Chem115_F00/nelsolar/chem.htmI was speaking about carbon dating. That if you read the fails...it doesn't even know if something is dead or alive so obviously it can't really date under 30,000 years correctly anyway. This is just facts and not ignorance. People knew this method failed over 30 years ago and yet some still use it. Now that's ignorance. And I didn't mention the other methods of dating but we can get into them too. I simply asked which one you used and you wanted to talk about the failed carbon dating. Any scientist still using carbon dating should be fired from his job. He's dumber than a living child because they living child will say they're 5 years old and not lie and he'd say no you are 2,500 years old! I'm not going to waste anymore time on you since you are incapable of understanding the paucity of your sources, and also incapable of understanding what they are telling you. The entire issue of RC dating is, in any case, completely irrelevant to the thread. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 11, 2019 5:46:01 GMT
I was speaking about carbon dating. That if you read the fails...it doesn't even know if something is dead or alive so obviously it can't really date under 30,000 years correctly anyway. This is just facts and not ignorance. People knew this method failed over 30 years ago and yet some still use it. Now that's ignorance. And I didn't mention the other methods of dating but we can get into them too. I simply asked which one you used and you wanted to talk about the failed carbon dating. Any scientist still using carbon dating should be fired from his job. He's dumber than a living child because they living child will say they're 5 years old and not lie and he'd say no you are 2,500 years old! I'm not going to waste anymore time on you since you are incapable of understanding the paucity of your sources, and also incapable of understanding what they are telling you. The entire issue of RC dating is, in any case, completely irrelevant to the thread. We only talked about carbon dating because you wanted to and you wanted sources which I provided. I teach comprehension so I understand that those sources mention that carbon dating has failures. It listed failers too and used the word failures. It can't get any simple than that. Plus with it saying it failed miserably by identifying a recently deceased thing as having died thousands of years ago is a serious failure. And that's just numbers. 0 years dead doesn't equal thousands of years dead. Most children can read and understand that. Just ask them is 0 years the same as thousands of years? Usually they say nooooo and laugh. I've tested it out  |
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Post by sculptor on Jul 11, 2019 22:20:59 GMT
I'm not going to waste anymore time on you since you are incapable of understanding the paucity of your sources, and also incapable of understanding what they are telling you. The entire issue of RC dating is, in any case, completely irrelevant to the thread. We only talked about carbon dating because you wanted to and you wanted sources which I provided. I teach comprehension so I understand that those sources mention that carbon dating has failures. It listed failers too and used the word failures. It can't get any simple than that. Plus with it saying it failed miserably by identifying a recently deceased thing as having died thousands of years ago is a serious failure. And that's just numbers. 0 years dead doesn't equal thousands of years dead. Most children can read and understand that. Just ask them is 0 years the same as thousands of years? Usually they say nooooo and laugh. I've tested it out You were the only one to bring up RC dating, which I have studied at university, and about which you seem to have deep misunderstandings. Your sources are not academic sources. |
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