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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 7, 2019 19:17:36 GMT
I would be very grateful for some info about any interesting modern books, articles, web-resources, or even movies about the problem of spirituality (as the term in eastern countries).
Exactly it is the problem of: "The influence of spirituality on the process of education (in wider sense of the word)".
Any info about spirituality (in eastern understanding of it, or western understanding of the eastern term) would be ok.
Thanx.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2019 19:25:48 GMT
There's a problem with spiritually worldwide. Parents would raise their kids by the bible and schools would raise the kids by their own books. So by the time they grow up they are confused and their spirituality is in danger. World tends to go away from spirituality so they will naturally follow the world. They did a study here in the US and many who enter college being religious leave college being atheist. This was true with many people I studied with. It's a shame but it's their choice. You can only inform people not to do something but you can't force them. I can only tell a person not to commit suicide because we need them but what they will do behind closed doors is still their business. We can only keep them knowledgeable and love them but if they decide to harm themselves or shoot themselves when they get home there's nothing we can do. We can just try to help. That's all.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 7, 2019 21:31:46 GMT
Elizabeth - This is terrible truth. And the more terrible part of it - this is real. Just the same one of my colleagues told me asking for help about the article (he's responsible for this post; I argued him to join the Arktos, but he was too shy to join any forums). His research problem is in: What methods or instruments have an influence on increasing/decreasing the level of spirituality (in his own measure of it), and how they correlate to it? His views on that were that the religious level was diminished by lecturers which held kinda positivism views. So, he came that the problem linked with the values problem: a material side of values had got one of the top places, and this factor became a reason why spiritual side had been decreased.
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 7, 2019 22:23:45 GMT
His research problem is in: What methods or instruments have an influence on increasing/decreasing the level of spirituality (in his own measure of it), and how they correlate to it? His views on that were that the religious level was diminished by lecturers which held kinda positivism views. So, he came that the problem linked with the values problem: a material side of values had got one of the top places, and this factor became a reason why spiritual side had been decreased. Your friend is correct. Yet the ethical values deficit is related not only to the amount of sense-related material around us in society, but more deeply to our view of human nature. One does not have to be a philosopher or well educated to hold an opinion of what a human is. If one accepts the notion that we are just more clever animals, with no soul or spirit essence, then we will ignore our conscience and act like beasts or demons. So unless or until our view of human nature accepts that we are souls & spirits in truth; spirits that live within our bodies, degeneration will continue. Just ran across this tiny survey of American children's education which shows that our schools, long before college, are not serving our better nature well. grade school reading |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2019 23:10:46 GMT
Elizabeth - This is terrible truth. And the more terrible part of it - this is real. Just the same one of my colleagues told me asking for help about the article (he's responsible for this post; I argued him to join the Arktos, but he was too shy to join any forums). His research problem is in: What methods or instruments have an influence on increasing/decreasing the level of spirituality (in his own measure of it), and how they correlate to it? His views on that were that the religious level was diminished by lecturers which held kinda positivism views. So, he came that the problem linked with the values problem: a material side of values had got one of the top places, and this factor became a reason why spiritual side had been decreased. Overall, education and modern culture have the most influence on decreasing levels of spirituality. Less of this will increase spirituality. He is totally welcome. He can just contribute when he what's too. If he's shy it's ok. He can just take it at his own pace. So he's welcome here  |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 8, 2019 14:38:43 GMT
His research problem is in: What methods or instruments have an influence on increasing/decreasing the level of spirituality (in his own measure of it), and how they correlate to it? His views on that were that the religious level was diminished by lecturers which held kinda positivism views. So, he came that the problem linked with the values problem: a material side of values had got one of the top places, and this factor became a reason why spiritual side had been decreased. Your friend is correct. Yet the ethical values deficit is related not only to the amount of sense-related material around us in society, but more deeply to our view of human nature. One does not have to be a philosopher or well educated to hold an opinion of what a human is. If one accepts the notion that we are just more clever animals, with no soul or spirit essence, then we will ignore our conscience and act like beasts or demons. So unless or until our view of human nature accepts that we are souls & spirits in truth; spirits that live within our bodies, degeneration will continue. Just ran across this tiny survey of American children's education which shows that our schools, long before college, are not serving our better nature well. grade school readingThank you a lot for the link and for your comment. I'd say that your thoughts suit with his pretty much. He said me almost the same. I argued contra, because my ideals had been tied with neopositivism (and I still hold to this views). I know that the time of that thoughts have passed many years ago, but what I think that the reason is not in the ethics directly. A political side of this question barriers my to get this thought. Well, I guess that gently science can be good if it won't be mixed with politics. And now it's almost impossible to divide politics and science, especially considering the cold war. I think that maybe it is a case in binary oppositions that have been recovered by postmodernists during the XX century. I hope I'd be on the right way saying some central person in postmodernism had views on negative side of binary type of thinking which was the real reason of many empty oppositions. Those oppositions hadn't brought anything except total exhausted of our souls. And if they were right, our trying of deleting those binaries would be great, because it would allow neopositivistic view to be crossed with some spiritualistic views (I mean all that views that consider the important side of spirituality). Well, my last words on it (and my personal credo): "To be gently". Politeness and gentleness are ways to overcome binaries ethically. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 8, 2019 14:41:23 GMT
Elizabeth - This is terrible truth. And the more terrible part of it - this is real. Just the same one of my colleagues told me asking for help about the article (he's responsible for this post; I argued him to join the Arktos, but he was too shy to join any forums). His research problem is in: What methods or instruments have an influence on increasing/decreasing the level of spirituality (in his own measure of it), and how they correlate to it? His views on that were that the religious level was diminished by lecturers which held kinda positivism views. So, he came that the problem linked with the values problem: a material side of values had got one of the top places, and this factor became a reason why spiritual side had been decreased. Overall, education and modern culture have the most influence on decreasing levels of spirituality. Less of this will increase spirituality. He is totally welcome. He can just contribute when he what's too. If he's shy it's ok. He can just take it at his own pace. So he's welcome here Thank you, Elizabeth! I promise I'll notice him, but (that what bothers me) he's not young, and he will start hesitating. You know, sometimes big guys (and he's big as a bear really) are such cowards... |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 8, 2019 18:52:15 GMT
Overall, education and modern culture have the most influence on decreasing levels of spirituality. Less of this will increase spirituality. He is totally welcome. He can just contribute when he what's too. If he's shy it's ok. He can just take it at his own pace. So he's welcome here Thank you, Elizabeth! I promise I'll notice him, but (that what bothers me) he's not young, and he will start hesitating. You know, sometimes big guys (and he's big as a bear really) are such cowards... It's ok! He can be young, old, big, midget, lame, deaf, or whatever so he's still welcome |
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Post by jonbain on Jun 8, 2019 21:36:27 GMT
I would be very grateful for some info about any interesting modern books, articles, web-resources, or even movies about the problem of spirituality (as the term in eastern countries). Exactly it is the problem of: "The influence of spirituality on the process of education (in wider sense of the word)". Any info about spirituality (in eastern understanding of it, or western understanding of the eastern term) would be ok. Thanx. I found the Bhagavad Gita to be the most inspirational source of appreciating Eastern spirituality, not just the book, but there is much exquisite music too. I think the issue of spirituality in western and estern society has an illusionary side to it. 300 years ago, (or even 100) most people would have said they were spiritual if asked, but were they really? It is clear to me that even in an age which is widely seen as non-spiritual at least half of those who claim spirituality do so for ulterior material motives, and that the number of people who live authentic spiritual lives have always been a very small proportion in most societies worldwide. 7000000000/144000 = 1 in 50 thousand. (Not that I use that sum entirely literally) |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 9, 2019 9:52:25 GMT
I would be very grateful for some info about any interesting modern books, articles, web-resources, or even movies about the problem of spirituality (as the term in eastern countries). Exactly it is the problem of: "The influence of spirituality on the process of education (in wider sense of the word)". Any info about spirituality (in eastern understanding of it, or western understanding of the eastern term) would be ok. Thanx. I found the Bhagavad Gita to be the most inspirational source of appreciating Eastern spirituality, not just the book, but there is much exquisite music too. I think the issue of spirituality in western and estern society has an illusionary side to it. 300 years ago, (or even 100) most people would have said they were spiritual if asked, but were they really? It is clear to me that even in an age which is widely seen as non-spiritual at least half of those who claim spirituality do so for ulterior material motives, and that the number of people who live authentic spiritual lives have always been a very small proportion in most societies worldwide. 7000000000/144000 = 1 in 50 thousand. (Not that I use that sum entirely literally) Oh, thank you very much! I agree with you on this book. I reckon this book as the most perfect outcome of dialectic. (By the way, have you been known that Henrich Himmler carried this book in his pocket during the war? He wanted to find answers on how to discipline the army (or something like that?)?.) He knows about the book, but I think he finds it too deep. He's onto some modern articles about it. |
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