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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 7, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
We know that Christ is the son of God, but what about the rest of us? Are we God's children?
In Mathews, among the other commandments of bliss, we read: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God" (5:9, NIV). In John's writings there's a text: "...Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed" (8:34-36 NIV).
I don't be so sure about derivation "we're children of God" from those text places in Gospels. However, I continue to think that all the people are children of God in some sense. He's the creator of everything, including an act of birth. Well, if Jesus is His son, why should it not concern us all?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 15, 2019 21:48:17 GMT
Look here...God created everything. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Colossians:1:16 Scriptures say that god created all things for his pleasure. An obvious assumption.
Tell us what pleasure god gets from his creating Satan and giving her extra powers to deceive us all.
Regards DL
You mean why did God create angels? For them to help Him out and live. Living things like to live. Why do living things turn evil like an angel turned to be evil? Because some living things want to be stupid and get punished.
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 16, 2019 2:02:58 GMT
and with that information in mind, God goes on with the bad guy/good guy charade and let people suffer, even tho he claims that people end up in hell because of their own actions, he is the one choosing the punishment and its a disproportionate one. murders and rapists will end there but, but also regular people who didn't accept Jesus in their hearths. Imagine a loving mother, a supporting wife who loved her parents and friends, paid her bills in time and always respected others. she just happened to find no evidence for the existence of god so she was an atheist. when she dies, she will burn in hellfire forever, where the suffering of her soul will be more than all the suffering on earth combined, she will clench her teeth out of pain and she will see the people up in heaven but they will not be able to see her. Until the end of times!! God is a monster. People suffer because they choose to. God provided a manual (bible) so we didn't need to suffer. Some accept it and the rest by their own choose to disregard it and to suffer. People are truly mosters for blaming God for their own actions. so the woman that loves her family and pays her bills on time and its an overall human being that hasn't killed anyone but does not believe in god ... does she deserve to burn in hell for ever? dont tell me that we send ourselves to hell, because that is note true , besides god created hell, and if that is not enough, he is omnipotent and can forgive you or destroy hell and evil if he wanted to.. so, just to make it clear, whoever sends you to eternal fire, or even lets you burn for eternity being able to stop you from such suffering, is a monster.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 16, 2019 2:55:39 GMT
People suffer because they choose to. God provided a manual (bible) so we didn't need to suffer. Some accept it and the rest by their own choose to disregard it and to suffer. People are truly mosters for blaming God for their own actions. so the woman that loves her family and pays her bills on time and its an overall human being that hasn't killed anyone but does not believe in god ... does she deserve to burn in hell for ever? dont tell me that we send ourselves to hell, because that is note true , besides god created hell, and if that is not enough, he is omnipotent and can forgive you or destroy hell and evil if he wanted to.. so, just to make it clear, whoever sends you to eternal fire, or even lets you burn for eternity being able to stop you from such suffering, is a monster. That woman didn't seek to be saved so yes she goes to hell because she obviously didn't want to go to heaven. God cannot force her to go where she didn't seek to go. He's not evil.
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 16, 2019 4:31:57 GMT
so the woman that loves her family and pays her bills on time and its an overall human being that hasn't killed anyone but does not believe in god ... does she deserve to burn in hell for ever? dont tell me that we send ourselves to hell, because that is note true , besides god created hell, and if that is not enough, he is omnipotent and can forgive you or destroy hell and evil if he wanted to.. so, just to make it clear, whoever sends you to eternal fire, or even lets you burn for eternity being able to stop you from such suffering, is a monster. That woman didn't seek to be saved so yes she goes to hell because she obviously didn't want to go to heaven. God cannot force her to go where she didn't seek to go. He's not evil. letting that happen makes him a monster.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 16, 2019 6:24:56 GMT
That woman didn't seek to be saved so yes she goes to hell because she obviously didn't want to go to heaven. God cannot force her to go where she didn't seek to go. He's not evil. letting that happen makes him a monster. Why? She didn't want heaven. She made the choice of just a simple life on Earth without having a good afterlife. She got her wish. We should applaud her
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 16, 2019 7:37:51 GMT
that is scary Elizabeth. No one, absolutely no one, not Hitler, not Jack the Ripper, not a guy who kills children and rape their corpses, not even that... deserves eternal suffering. the suffering describes in hell, is disproportionate for any sin. And if God lets a regular woman receive such punishment, that makes him a monster.
Disproportionate punishment is, cracking the skull open and chopping the dick off a guy who robbed your house. that would make you worse than the criminal, that is what God does.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 16, 2019 11:44:51 GMT
People suffer because they choose to. God provided a manual (bible) so we didn't need to suffer. Some accept it and the rest by their own choose to disregard it and to suffer. People are truly mosters for blaming God for their own actions. so the woman that loves her family and pays her bills on time and its an overall human being that hasn't killed anyone but does not believe in god ... does she deserve to burn in hell for ever? dont tell me that we send ourselves to hell, because that is note true , besides god created hell, and if that is not enough, he is omnipotent and can forgive you or destroy hell and evil if he wanted to.. so, just to make it clear, whoever sends you to eternal fire, or even lets you burn for eternity being able to stop you from such suffering, is a monster. Imagine that you're a director of a horror. And the main protagonist (let's just say it is a woman you've been mention as the victim of God) should die awfully. You know that the game bring lots of money, and you will get myriads of love & cash. You would say that it's not necessary for you to be any director; because God is able to be anything He wants. So, it be. God is everything He wants, but He sacrificed himself by torturing (as his Son) horrifically ("The Passion of the Christ", 2004). God shew that He was powerful to do those transformations, or incarnations... whichever you like to call it. He also shew that being able to transform himself into anything meant we couldn't distinguish who was God and who was a man just like that; we need a church to rule our path to God. Whoever could be either God, or a simple man, and there would be no philosophy to differ the real true from false things. Yes, it sounds not pretty ethically if we say that the church is all we wants, but it is true that it is the only way out. Our visions might be hallucinations, and only Bible may give us the true way out.
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 16, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
so the woman that loves her family and pays her bills on time and its an overall human being that hasn't killed anyone but does not believe in god ... does she deserve to burn in hell for ever? dont tell me that we send ourselves to hell, because that is note true , besides god created hell, and if that is not enough, he is omnipotent and can forgive you or destroy hell and evil if he wanted to.. so, just to make it clear, whoever sends you to eternal fire, or even lets you burn for eternity being able to stop you from such suffering, is a monster. Imagine that you're a director of a horror. And the main protagonist (let's just say it is a woman you've been mention as the victim of God) should die awfully. You know that the game bring lots of money, and you will get myriads of love & cash. You would say that it's not necessary for you to be any director; because God is able to be anything He wants. So, it be. God is everything He wants, but He sacrificed himself by torturing (as his Son) horrifically ("The Passion of the Christ", 2004). God shew that He was powerful to do those transformations, or incarnations... whichever you like to call it. He also shew that being able to transform himself into anything meant we couldn't distinguish who was God and who was a man just like that; we need a church to rule our path to God. Whoever could be either God, or a simple man, and there would be no philosophy to differ the real true from false things. Yes, it sounds not pretty ethically if we say that the church is all we wants, but it is true that it is the only way out. Our visions might be hallucinations, and only Bible may give us the true way out. not pretty ethical is too much for a perfect being, besides, he didn't have to do any of that, and if he wanted to do it, it's fine, but people will suffer in hell because of his decision of playing god, so that is pretty fucked up.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 16, 2019 17:40:26 GMT
Imagine that you're a director of a horror. And the main protagonist (let's just say it is a woman you've been mention as the victim of God) should die awfully. You know that the game bring lots of money, and you will get myriads of love & cash. You would say that it's not necessary for you to be any director; because God is able to be anything He wants. So, it be. God is everything He wants, but He sacrificed himself by torturing (as his Son) horrifically ("The Passion of the Christ", 2004). God shew that He was powerful to do those transformations, or incarnations... whichever you like to call it. He also shew that being able to transform himself into anything meant we couldn't distinguish who was God and who was a man just like that; we need a church to rule our path to God. Whoever could be either God, or a simple man, and there would be no philosophy to differ the real true from false things. Yes, it sounds not pretty ethically if we say that the church is all we wants, but it is true that it is the only way out. Our visions might be hallucinations, and only Bible may give us the true way out. not pretty ethical is too much for a perfect being, besides, he didn't have to do any of that, and if he wanted to do it, it's fine, but people will suffer in hell because of his decision of playing god, so that is pretty fucked up. Suffering it's just a part of the most great plan. a. I've been always thinking it's obvious: if God has created hell, and people feel suffering being there, then their suffering just a part of God's reality. - What this statement might give us? b. We cannot be so sure whether or not we are in the depths of that hell. But even if we were aware of it would there be any influence of it? - Trapping into hell we would continue our wandering as it was, but in some new forms of life. So, it would be something like the Dante's hell. c. Heavens, on the other hand, can't give us anything we want; no one would become the one and the only God there. d. Even if we know that God holds to not-pretty ethics scenario, it will be helpful to know something for sure. e. And finally, anyway, there's no necessary to deny God, because we might not understand his ethics completely. We could watch the same situation in MK9 and MK11, where Raiden had to sacrifice the souls of the warriors or the Earth realm for saving the Earth realm itself. Cannibals have their ethics, but they don't know ethics of western countries, and the same is fair about third-world countries. Ethics of more civilized country is better, than non-civilized ones; however, it doesn't mean there's no more higher ethical systems.
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 16, 2019 19:48:33 GMT
not pretty ethical is too much for a perfect being, besides, he didn't have to do any of that, and if he wanted to do it, it's fine, but people will suffer in hell because of his decision of playing god, so that is pretty fucked up. Suffering it's just a part of the most great plan. a. I've been always thinking it's obvious: if God has created hell, and people feel suffering being there, then their suffering just a part of God's reality. - What this statement might give us? b. We cannot be so sure whether or not we are in the depths of that hell. But even if we were aware of it would there be any influence of it? - Trapping into hell we would continue our wandering as it was, but in some new forms of life. So, it would be something like the Dante's hell. c. Heavens, on the other hand, can't give us anything we want; no one would become the one and the only God there. d. Even if we know that God holds to not-pretty ethics scenario, it will be helpful to know something for sure. e. And finally, anyway, there's no necessary to deny God, because we might not understand his ethics completely. We could watch the same situation in MK9 and MK11, where Raiden had to sacrifice the souls of the warriors or the Earth realm for saving the Earth realm itself. Cannibals have their ethics, but they don't know ethics of western countries, and the same is fair about third-world countries. Ethics of more civilized country is better, than non-civilized ones; however, it doesn't mean there's no more higher ethical systems. he is bad to his own standards, that makes him a hypocrite at the very least.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 16, 2019 19:53:49 GMT
that is scary Elizabeth. No one, absolutely no one, not Hitler, not Jack the Ripper, not a guy who kills children and rape their corpses, not even that... deserves eternal suffering. the suffering describes in hell, is disproportionate for any sin. And if God lets a regular woman receive such punishment, that makes him a monster. Disproportionate punishment is, cracking the skull open and chopping the dick off a guy who robbed your house. that would make you worse than the criminal, that is what God does. That's true but they don't choose heaven and get hell as the result for not wanting it. I don't know why. Why don't you choose heaven? It's open to you. Why not take it?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 16, 2019 20:06:15 GMT
Suffering it's just a part of the most great plan. a. I've been always thinking it's obvious: if God has created hell, and people feel suffering being there, then their suffering just a part of God's reality. - What this statement might give us? b. We cannot be so sure whether or not we are in the depths of that hell. But even if we were aware of it would there be any influence of it? - Trapping into hell we would continue our wandering as it was, but in some new forms of life. So, it would be something like the Dante's hell. c. Heavens, on the other hand, can't give us anything we want; no one would become the one and the only God there. d. Even if we know that God holds to not-pretty ethics scenario, it will be helpful to know something for sure. e. And finally, anyway, there's no necessary to deny God, because we might not understand his ethics completely. We could watch the same situation in MK9 and MK11, where Raiden had to sacrifice the souls of the warriors or the Earth realm for saving the Earth realm itself. Cannibals have their ethics, but they don't know ethics of western countries, and the same is fair about third-world countries. Ethics of more civilized country is better, than non-civilized ones; however, it doesn't mean there's no more higher ethical systems. he is bad to his own standards, that makes him a hypocrite at the very least. All right. What do you propose to him? To create another paradise where people would be like sheep?
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 17, 2019 0:00:15 GMT
that is scary Elizabeth. No one, absolutely no one, not Hitler, not Jack the Ripper, not a guy who kills children and rape their corpses, not even that... deserves eternal suffering. the suffering describes in hell, is disproportionate for any sin. And if God lets a regular woman receive such punishment, that makes him a monster. Disproportionate punishment is, cracking the skull open and chopping the dick off a guy who robbed your house. that would make you worse than the criminal, that is what God does. That's true but they don't choose heaven and get hell as the result for not wanting it. I don't know why. Why don't you choose heaven? It's open to you. Why not take it? because its fictitious?
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Post by cynicsanonymous on Jun 17, 2019 0:01:41 GMT
he is bad to his own standards, that makes him a hypocrite at the very least. All right. What do you propose to him? To create another paradise where people would be like sheep? i dont propose anything, i m just pointing out the ridiculous narrative of an almighty God playing judge.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 17, 2019 0:14:01 GMT
That's true but they don't choose heaven and get hell as the result for not wanting it. I don't know why. Why don't you choose heaven? It's open to you. Why not take it? because its fictitious? Then if you end up in hell for believing that you understand it won't be anyone else's fault but your own right? Just like the lady was at fault in the example you proposed since neither of you wished to seek anything but the current life.
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