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Post by fortharris on May 15, 2019 6:48:51 GMT
The MuslimWhen primitive man readily accepts religion over his personal hygiene, it is only wise to merge the two and make them one and the same for such a person. Christians have been told “Cleanliness is next to godliness,” but I do not suppose that our Muslim brothers presume that ablution does something more than ensuring their posterity lived in good health, long before they could discover that the real danger was not the displeasure of Allah, but the work of some creatures that were invisible to the human eye. Your mistake then will be in not seeking higher truths (even as proposed by the Holy Qur’an) and breaking out of the mindset that ablution does something more than physical cleansing, and coming to the conclusion that it has no real spiritual consequences. The Father has called you into a living relationship — not rules of worship. There is no God for the Muslim, separate from the God of the Christian; all men exist by the will of the same God, who has purposed to draw them unto himself. The Father seeks his sons, even when they do not seek him. It is time to leave the recitations, rituals and incantations behind for your brethren who do not know how to pray (for such is their purpose), and embrace a personal relationship with the Father as revealed by Christ. This does not require that you become a Christian, but you will do well to be a light unto your brothers, showing them the way of the Father, even through the Holy Qur’an. You will soon come to realize that God is beyond anything man can ever imagine, and our current concepts of him are crude at best, and no one book can contain him. The religion (your personal relationship with God) which does not grow, is dead. References: [Qur’an, 16:8] Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith : 74 Sunan of Abu-Dawood — 1631 Isaiah 29:13
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Post by Elizabeth on May 15, 2019 17:57:05 GMT
Cleanliness is next to godliness? Told this by who? I was never actually told this by anyone. Just was told in bible to live righteously to live godly.
So you're saying muslims and Christians must unite since we worship the same God? But then which form of worship gets given up since they worship differently or do we begin worshipping in 2 ways now?
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Post by fortharris on May 16, 2019 13:22:27 GMT
Cleanliness is next to godliness? Told this by who? I was never actually told this by anyone. Just was told in bible to live righteously to live godly. So you're saying muslims and Christians must unite since we worship the same God? But then which form of worship gets given up since they worship differently or do we begin worshipping in 2 ways now? Do all Christians worship the same way, believe the same thing about God?
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Post by Elizabeth on May 16, 2019 19:27:52 GMT
Cleanliness is next to godliness? Told this by who? I was never actually told this by anyone. Just was told in bible to live righteously to live godly. So you're saying muslims and Christians must unite since we worship the same God? But then which form of worship gets given up since they worship differently or do we begin worshipping in 2 ways now? Do all Christians worship the same way, believe the same thing about God? You mean biblically (as in those who get their information about God and worship from scripture)? Then, yes. But I can't see how we can worship the same God with Muslims because of it since they reject the bible which is the Word of God as it says it is.
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Post by Sonny on May 16, 2019 20:59:18 GMT
I use to know this one mud person from work who was from iran. Iv'e had brief correspondence from others from bangladesh pakistan. I would have to say though, that we have little to no commonality with them on matters of spirituality, and their understanding of God is not beyond that of a peasants.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 16, 2019 23:11:00 GMT
I use to know this one mud person from work who was from iran. Iv'e had brief correspondence from others from bangladesh pakistan. I would have to say though, that we have little to no commonality with them on matters of spirituality, and their understanding of God is not beyond that of a peasants. What kind of understanding did they have?
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Post by Sonny on May 17, 2019 0:33:00 GMT
I use to know this one mud person from work who was from iran. Iv'e had brief correspondence from others from bangladesh pakistan. I would have to say though, that we have little to no commonality with them on matters of spirituality, and their understanding of God is not beyond that of a peasants. What kind of understanding did they have? They believe in a supreme metaphysical (based on their description) diety called 'allah' that is yet bound by some very physicalist / material limitations. They seem to be unaware of the inherent contradictions of their beliefs and worldview. For example, man is created sinless, muslims are the best of allah's creations, they're perfect, and yet allah cannot be a lowly human. Allah cannot have a son. Why? Well one of the objections being that allah would have to have sex to have a son. (No effort goes into understanding what it means to have a son or that the son represents the father.) Allah has no limitations and can do anything, and yet allah cannot be a man. No explanation, philosophical or otherwise, is given as to why that is.
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Post by PISTON1246 on May 17, 2019 1:48:02 GMT
The MuslimWhen primitive man readily accepts religion over his personal hygiene, it is only wise to merge the two and make them one and the same for such a person. Christians have been told “Cleanliness is next to godliness,” but I do not suppose that our Muslim brothers presume that ablution does something more than ensuring their posterity lived in good health, long before they could discover that the real danger was not the displeasure of Allah, but the work of some creatures that were invisible to the human eye. Your mistake then will be in not seeking higher truths (even as proposed by the Holy Qur’an) and breaking out of the mindset that ablution does something more than physical cleansing, and coming to the conclusion that it has no real spiritual consequences. The Father has called you into a living relationship — not rules of worship. There is no God for the Muslim, separate from the God of the Christian; all men exist by the will of the same God, who has purposed to draw them unto himself. The Father seeks his sons, even when they do not seek him. It is time to leave the recitations, rituals and incantations behind for your brethren who do not know how to pray (for such is their purpose), and embrace a personal relationship with the Father as revealed by Christ. This does not require that you become a Christian, but you will do well to be a light unto your brothers, showing them the way of the Father, even through the Holy Qur’an. You will soon come to realize that God is beyond anything man can ever imagine, and our current concepts of him are crude at best, and no one book can contain him. The religion (your personal relationship with God) which does not grow, is dead. References: [Qur’an, 16:8] Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith : 74 Sunan of Abu-Dawood — 1631 Isaiah 29:13 I read from this version of the Quran where you quoted "16:8" meaning SURAH 16 verse 8 of the quran correct? IT SAYS THE HORSES AND MULES AND DONKEYS WERE MADE FOR US TO RIDE ON. WHY DO YOU SAY OUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD/ALLAH DOES NOT GROW?
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Post by PISTON1246 on May 17, 2019 1:51:15 GMT
Do all Christians worship the same way, believe the same thing about God? You mean biblically (as in those who get their information about God and worship from scripture)? Then, yes. But I can't see how we can worship the same God with Muslims because of it since they reject the bible which is the Word of God as it says it is. WHICH MUSLIM REJECTS THE BIBLE? THE QURAN MAKES MULTIPLE MENTIONS OF THE TORAH WHICH IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE GOSPEL WHICH IS PARTIALLY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE QURAN HAS ITS OWN GOSPEL INSIDE AND I REMEMBER IT SAYING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SPOKE WHILE AN INFANT. HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN?
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Post by Elizabeth on May 17, 2019 5:59:31 GMT
You mean biblically (as in those who get their information about God and worship from scripture)? Then, yes. But I can't see how we can worship the same God with Muslims because of it since they reject the bible which is the Word of God as it says it is. WHICH MUSLIM REJECTS THE BIBLE? THE QURAN MAKES MULTIPLE MENTIONS OF THE TORAH WHICH IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE GOSPEL WHICH IS PARTIALLY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE QURAN HAS ITS OWN GOSPEL INSIDE AND I REMEMBER IT SAYING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SPOKE WHILE AN INFANT. HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN? Muslims kept telling me they don't use the bible because they say "it lost its authenticity through translations and can't be trusted" when in the bible God said He will preserve His Word (scripture) forever. So that's why the bible is infallible to a Christian because it's the literal word of God that He told people to write directly for Him. And bible calls Jesus God and Muslims reject that too. No, I just read the bible. Never touched the Quran.
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Post by PISTON1246 on May 20, 2019 16:48:29 GMT
WHICH MUSLIM REJECTS THE BIBLE? THE QURAN MAKES MULTIPLE MENTIONS OF THE TORAH WHICH IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE GOSPEL WHICH IS PARTIALLY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE QURAN HAS ITS OWN GOSPEL INSIDE AND I REMEMBER IT SAYING JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SPOKE WHILE AN INFANT. HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN? Muslims kept telling me they don't use the bible because they say "it lost its authenticity through translations and can't be trusted" when in the bible God said He will preserve His Word (scripture) forever. So that's why the bible is infallible to a Christian because it's the literal word of God that He told people to write directly for Him. And bible calls Jesus God and Muslims reject that too. No, I just read the bible. Never touched the Quran. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT YOU MIGHT FIND JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SAYING HE AND THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE AND YOU MAY HAVE READ OF OTHER PEOPLE CALLING HIM GOD. A MUSLIM WHO DOES NOT READ THE QURAN IS LIKE A CHRISTIAN WHO DOES NOT READ THE BIBLE. IF YOU DO NOT READ THE QURAN OR KNOW WHAT IT SAYS WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT ISLAM IS ABOUT? IT IS NOT A GOOD HABIT TO MAKE CONJECTURE OR AN OPINION BASED ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF YOUR INFORMATION. YOU EITHER HAVE TRUE INFORMATION OR FALSE INFORMATION OR NO INFORMATION ON A PARTICULAR SUBJECT. NOT EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD IS TRUE AND SOMEONE WHO IS NOT GOD MAY BE TELLING YOU FALSE INFORMATION INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING OR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY SPEAK. NOT EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IS TRUE IN THIS WORLD. I THINK ONLY THE PROPHETS PEACE BE UPON THEM HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH ALMIGHTY TO GET MESSAGES FROM HIM. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO KNOWN PROPHETS TODAY WHO CAN WE REFER TO TO LEARN THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH? THE RELIGIOUS TEXT WHICH I ALSO BELIEVE CONTAINS SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT GOD AND WHO HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE. THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVEN AND EARTH. THE CREATOR OF LIFE. A JUDGE OF THE UNIVERSE AND ITS RESIDENTS. ONE WHO MAKES THE LAW OF WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG. AND THE ONE WHO WILL DECIDE WHETHER WE GO TO A GOOD PLACE AFTER WE DIE OR WE GO TO A BAD PLACE. GOD HAS NOT AND WILL NOT DIE. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE ABOUT GOD.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 20, 2019 19:30:53 GMT
PISTON1246 Yes, it says He's God and His disciples called Him God. Plus, God the Father called Jesus God the Son as God. Neither is a Christian then. One is a Muslim and the other is a wanna be Christian or just a hypocrite I don't know what it's about which is why Muslims tell me stuff when I ask them. Like they told me they don't believe Jesus is God when bible says He is. So, you believe He isn't God too or you have a different perspective than the others I asked? Correct. Which is why in my religion I only believe the bible because God said in the bible it's His word to us and that He will preserve it as true. And if I have questions for other religions just to see what they believe I'd ask as I asked you a question because I am only seeking one answer so would be easier to ask several Muslims instead of reading the entire Quran. That's at least how I look at it to save time Yup, they were the ones in Old Testament who delivered messages from God to the people but such prophets no longer exist since Old Testament says at the end that one more prophet will come and that's it. Then in New Testament the angel revealed that it was John the Baptist who was there to point to Jesus as God and end it all on Him. So, those prophets are done and we go to disciples now it says or just followers of God/Jesus. We have them still in scripture and the last prophet in scripture (John the Baptist) pointed to Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life. It ends there. God's Word tells us all that we need to know, yes. And God doesn't die and will not die. Bible makes that clear. Jesus as God never died. All He did was change forms. From Spirit to human and then back to Spirit. There was never a time when God didn't exist or won't exist. So, I think we agree on God always existing
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