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Post by fschmidt on Nov 5, 2017 7:22:06 GMT
Are the sexes segregated in Orthodox service?
This may seem an odd question, but I have spent a lot of time looking at religions to determine which ones have the strength to resist the degeneracy of modern culture, and one unmistakable pattern that I noticed is that all strong religions segregate the sexes in service. Doing this is common sense since it is easier to focus on the service if you aren't surrounded by the opposite sex. And to my knowledge, all traditional religions in history have segregated the sexes. Only during times of degeneracy is this practice suspended.
I know that here in America, Orthodox churches do not segregated the sexes, which is why I wrote off this religion as being worthless from my perspective. But maybe Orthodox churches are different abroad, I don't know. In any case, I attend mosque these days, but I am still somewhat curious about whether Christianity has any hope at all for the future.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2017 7:37:07 GMT
I'm not orthodox but I wanted to comment too. My Baptist church in Ukraine puts all males on the left side and all females on the right. My Bapstist church doesn't do this in the US. Personally, neither way is a big deal to me, but why separate? Let the families sit together. I personally disliked that in Ukraine the mother that came with her son to church had to be separated from him and that I couldn't sit with all my cousins on one bench because some were male. Personally, Bible says to keep families together and spouses especially. So, I don't understand the sex separation much. Jesus was around males and females wherever he went. Ok now curious about the orthodox religion too since I know nothing about them
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Post by fschmidt on Nov 5, 2017 7:53:05 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2017 8:21:11 GMT
Yeah we still have the choir like that. Females in the front and males in the back. Females separated for soprano and alto and males behind them into tenor and bass. And that I agree with since I sing and am in an orchestra. Orchestra also has all the violins together, the saxophones together, etc. This is fine and should be since easier for tuning and not messing up on playing or singing if another voice/sound is near you. But music notes are structured to be different and to be kept separate. Families are structured to be a male and a female to bond as one and bible is super sctrict on keeping them as one. Warns of the dangers of separating what God has united as one with spouses. A family unit is one too. So I am just for families sitting together at least. I don't even sit with my guy in church but sit with my family. I don't do that because of distractions either since it would make no difference to me but rather not get into the fact that my family thinks no one is good for me . But yeah I am just ok for family especially since I am like the guardian of my twin nephews at church. If anything having a side with all males is rather disctracting but eh kids are my distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 8:43:11 GMT
No, since we live in 21st century. Christians don't burn witches nowadays neither, they don't torture the heretics (except intelectually sometimes), and so on. I heard the Saudis still kill people for practising magic, looks like they are less degenarate.
The only kind of segregation is that women should cover their hair and they are forbidden from crossing the iconostasis, which is a place between the altar and place for those who are in the tserkov, praying and participating in the mass. On the altar only priests and altar servers can be present, who are all males.
Another difference is related to the icon held by a dead person during funeral. Men hold the icon of Jesus, women hold the icon of Mary.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 5, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
Are the sexes segregated in Orthodox service? This may seem an odd question, but I have spent a lot of time looking at religions to determine which ones have the strength to resist the degeneracy of modern culture, and one unmistakable pattern that I noticed is that all strong religions segregate the sexes in service. Doing this is common sense since it is easier to focus on the service if you aren't surrounded by the opposite sex. And to my knowledge, all traditional religions in history have segregated the sexes. Only during times of degeneracy is this practice suspended. I know that here in America, Orthodox churches do not segregated the sexes, which is why I wrote off this religion as being worthless from my perspective. But maybe Orthodox churches are different abroad, I don't know. In any case, I attend mosque these days, but I am still somewhat curious about whether Christianity has any hope at all for the future. What Orthodox Church do you attend? The Patriarchy?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 5, 2017 16:19:01 GMT
Head women must be covered! Short skirts are forbidden in the Church! So it must be in the normal Orthodox Church! ))
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2017 16:29:57 GMT
I heard the Saudis still kill people for practising magic, looks like they are less degenarate. Really? Whoa... Rofl. You're good with explaining things. No, really, you write intelligent stuff but best of all you add funny stuff! XD Yeah, biggest difference between me and orthdoxy right there. My church doesn't give mention to Mary, another human, since we view anything than God/Jesus worship/praise is idoltry. But I don't know nothing about these churches except what I learn on forums. forums are my guide to knowledge of other religions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
If I am a degenerate for not following ridicolous and sexist dogmas of a religion, then I am sure the author of the question will find the inner peace and happiness among very hospitable and welcoming nation of the Saudis. Comparing to them even Iranians are cavemen, come on - prosecuting women for driving a car! God must be so happy because of that! He is a man after all! Alpha. And omega but that is the details.
Wait, is God a man actually? Is it written anywhere?
Although I am opposed to the Catholicism - despite the fact I wanted to be a friar/monk and considered it seriously - I am glad that the most common Church in my country is not fcked up when it comes to the gender issues. It is a bit insane on that matter but only a bit, when compared to the others.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 5, 2017 17:12:25 GMT
If I am a degenerate for not following ridicolous and sexist dogmas of a religion, then I am sure the author of the question will find the inner peace and happiness among very hospitable and welcoming nation of the Saudis. Comparing to them even Iranians are cavemen, come on - prosecuting women for driving a car! God must be so happy because of that! He is a man after all! Alpha. And omega but that is the details. Wait, is God a man actually? Is it written anywhere? Although I am opposed to the Catholicism - despite the fact I wanted to be a friar/monk and considered it seriously - I am glad that the most common Church in my country is not fcked up when it comes to the gender issues. It is a bit insane on that matter but only a bit, when compared to the others. I know that the Poles usually are devout Catholics! they and my ancestors tried to convince(1919-1939) but failed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 20:50:08 GMT
If I am a degenerate for not following ridicolous and sexist dogmas of a religion, then I am sure the author of the question will find the inner peace and happiness among very hospitable and welcoming nation of the Saudis. Comparing to them even Iranians are cavemen, come on - prosecuting women for driving a car! God must be so happy because of that! He is a man after all! Alpha. And omega but that is the details. Wait, is God a man actually? Is it written anywhere? Although I am opposed to the Catholicism - despite the fact I wanted to be a friar/monk and considered it seriously - I am glad that the most common Church in my country is not fcked up when it comes to the gender issues. It is a bit insane on that matter but only a bit, when compared to the others. I know that the Poles usually are devout Catholics! they and my ancestors tried to convince(1919-1939) but failed They are a devout Catholics only on three occassions: 1) There is Easter or Christmas - but even then they celebrate mainly because other do, and everyone follows that pattern - tradition; 2) Someone attacks Catholicism or Christianity and its influence in Europe - then certain group of Poles - those who are the loudest in shouting and screaming - will tell you that they can confirm it, you know: Poles supported the Holy League and defended Vienna from the Ottomans - Austria one hundred years laters participated in partitions of Poland which resulted in Poland losing its independence and the Ottoman Empire (alongside with Persia) was the only one who did not acknowledged the partitions and recognised the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as an independent state (which suggests pretty well who were our true friends and that we screwed up); 3) Someone simply asks more devout people about their opinion, like public research centers who base their opinions on... pay attention to that... people who were BAPTISED! Catholics baptise the newborns who cannot speak and share their opinions. Many Poles do believe in God and follow their tradition. But it can be compared to the situation of Turkey. There are (in Turkey) people who are devout Muslims, and people who are secular (whether Muslims or non-believers). We have devout Catholics, and people who are anti-clerical (whether Christians or non-believers). And despite the statistics there are a lot of non-believers. I agree there are more Christians or, let's say, free-thinkers who don't follow dogmas, but all these claims about 90% of pious Catholics in Poland is pure bullscheisse. Just ask an average Polish woman or man if she/he is a virgin without being married. And ask what they think about the concept that it's a sin. You'll see how Catholic Poles are. Mostly on paper only. PS. Actually this leads me to create a thread in Dating and Relationships section :D
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Post by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2017 2:00:35 GMT
here in austria in serbian-orthodox church the sexes are not segregated. i dont see a reason to be segregated, i dont think thats needed.
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Post by Sarmatian on Nov 6, 2017 7:52:04 GMT
It's not the question that is odd but the way you intend to counter modern degeneracy. Segregation of sexes during religious service is probably the least of concerns that comes to my mind when thinking on the issue.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 6, 2017 8:25:57 GMT
I know that the Poles usually are devout Catholics! they and my ancestors tried to convince(1919-1939) but failed They are a devout Catholics only on three occassions: 1) There is Easter or Christmas - but even then they celebrate mainly because other do, and everyone follows that pattern - tradition; 2) Someone attacks Catholicism or Christianity and its influence in Europe - then certain group of Poles - those who are the loudest in shouting and screaming - will tell you that they can confirm it, you know: Poles supported the Holy League and defended Vienna from the Ottomans - Austria one hundred years laters participated in partitions of Poland which resulted in Poland losing its independence and the Ottoman Empire (alongside with Persia) was the only one who did not acknowledged the partitions and recognised the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as an independent state (which suggests pretty well who were our true friends and that we screwed up); 3) Someone simply asks more devout people about their opinion, like public research centers who base their opinions on... pay attention to that... people who were BAPTISED! Catholics baptise the newborns who cannot speak and share their opinions. Many Poles do believe in God and follow their tradition. But it can be compared to the situation of Turkey. There are (in Turkey) people who are devout Muslims, and people who are I agree! A similar situation exists in my country! xD ))
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 16, 2017 22:24:49 GMT
Update from me on this I am still on families, especially spouses sitting together in church since God wants families together and spouses. And of course, as Jesus said people coming in between married couples will be punished. And I get that and agree 100%. A family is a unit and it is forever while on Earth. But otherwise, if need be keep the younger males and females separate. Otherwise the more interaction a church allows the more sin will happen and they will sin before marriage. My church in California doesn't separate in the church like my church in Ukraine does because our youth has no problem staying away from each other otherwise they marry right away. Jesus didn't spend close relationships with women but as acquintances. He spent his time will His disciples. They all kept distance and acted modestly with the opposite sex. So, yeah if people can't handle sitting next to the opposite sex in the church then they must separate. If the church fails to keep unmarried people from sinning then it isn't a church of God.
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