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Post by joustos on Apr 15, 2019 19:05:49 GMT
One sign of Islamic supremacy over the white and Christian world is the burning of Notre Dame in Paris. Arson is also the weapon Blacks used in Furgson (U.S.A.) and elsewhere. The enemy is already within, for it was invited and welcomed by the Pope and other traitors of the white race. "Amen" says the demented chorus.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 20, 2019 19:54:08 GMT
^I updated my answer at the same time that you responded. Elizabeth said Yes, but not because of any use of imagery of Christ or the symbolism of the cross. That is not idolatry, and that is what I'm trying to get across. Having a crucifix as a necklace or icons and imagery of Christ and the apostles is not idolatry, and is not a sin. It is a sin. God said it cannot portray anything in heaven, earth, or water. So cannot portray Jesus, no living or dead saint, and nothing from the water like fish. Jesus didn't have any icons/idols. And a Christian is a person who is Christ like. So if they have idols then they're not Christ like just like many churches in the bible failed to be Christ like. Easy test to check yourself. Paul wrote to always test and check yourselves to see if you're really following Jesus or not.
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Post by Sonny on May 3, 2019 6:36:49 GMT
^I updated my answer at the same time that you responded. Elizabeth said Yes, but not because of any use of imagery of Christ or the symbolism of the cross. That is not idolatry, and that is what I'm trying to get across. Having a crucifix as a necklace or icons and imagery of Christ and the apostles is not idolatry, and is not a sin. It is a sin. God said it cannot portray anything in heaven, earth, or water. So cannot portray Jesus, no living or dead saint, and nothing from the water like fish. Jesus didn't have any icons/idols. And a Christian is a person who is Christ like. So if they have idols then they're not Christ like just like many churches in the bible failed to be Christ like. Easy test to check yourself. Paul wrote to always test and check yourselves to see if you're really following Jesus or not. Where did Jesus make that claim? One of the earliest symbol for Christianity was a fish / Ichthys. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IchthysChristianity as it was practiced in the Early Church by definition is closest to true Christianity.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 3, 2019 13:25:58 GMT
It is a sin. God said it cannot portray anything in heaven, earth, or water. So cannot portray Jesus, no living or dead saint, and nothing from the water like fish. Jesus didn't have any icons/idols. And a Christian is a person who is Christ like. So if they have idols then they're not Christ like just like many churches in the bible failed to be Christ like. Easy test to check yourself. Paul wrote to always test and check yourselves to see if you're really following Jesus or not. Where did Jesus make that claim? One of the earliest symbol for Christianity was a fish / Ichthys. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IchthysChristianity as it was practiced in the Early Church by definition is closest to true Christianity. There are no fish or any images used in Christianity in the bible. New Testament only said the churches who fell away did idolatry but the real churches who followed God didn't have images. But it says here. We can't make any image that's on earth, heaven, or water. Absolutely nothing. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Deuteronomy 5:8
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Post by Sonny on May 3, 2019 17:43:45 GMT
Where did Jesus make that claim? One of the earliest symbol for Christianity was a fish / Ichthys. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IchthysChristianity as it was practiced in the Early Church by definition is closest to true Christianity. There are no fish or any images used in Christianity in the bible. New Testament only said the churches who fell away did idolatry but the real churches who followed God didn't have images. But it says here. We can't make any image that's on earth, heaven, or water. Absolutely nothing. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Deuteronomy 5:8 The Greek word for fish is Ichthys, which was also used as an acrostic by the first century Christians- 'Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter', i.e. Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, as a way to communicate their faith in Christ at times of duress and persecution. "The fish has plenty of other theological overtones as well, for Christ fed the 5,000 with 2 fishes and 5 loaves (a meal recapitulated in Christian love-feasts) and called his disciples "fishers of men." Water baptism, practiced by immersion in the early church, created a parallel between fish and converts. Second-century theologian Tertullian put it this way: "we, little fishes, after the image of our Ichthys, Jesus Christ, are born in the water."" It is tradition, its a part of Christian history, Christian art and not dogma. You would have to prove that Christ disapproved of the usage of this symbol, as he did criticize aspects of early Church that we talked about previously such as sacrifices and other pagan rituals, but the Ichthys was not among them. Old Testament laws covenant and laws were meant for the jews. Nowhere in the New Testament does it state that Christ disapproves of tradition.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 3, 2019 18:52:48 GMT
There are no fish or any images used in Christianity in the bible. New Testament only said the churches who fell away did idolatry but the real churches who followed God didn't have images. But it says here. We can't make any image that's on earth, heaven, or water. Absolutely nothing. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Deuteronomy 5:8 The Greek word for fish is Ichthys, which was also used as an acrostic by the first century Christians- 'Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter', i.e. Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, as a way to communicate their faith in Christ at times of duress and persecution. "The fish has plenty of other theological overtones as well, for Christ fed the 5,000 with 2 fishes and 5 loaves (a meal recapitulated in Christian love-feasts) and called his disciples "fishers of men." Water baptism, practiced by immersion in the early church, created a parallel between fish and converts. Second-century theologian Tertullian put it this way: "we, little fishes, after the image of our Ichthys, Jesus Christ, are born in the water."" It is tradition, its a part of Christian history, Christian art and not dogma. You would have to prove that Christ disapproved of the usage of this symbol, as he did criticize aspects of early Church that we talked about previously such as sacrifices and other pagan rituals, but the Ichthys was not among them. Old Testament laws covenant and laws were meant for the jews. Nowhere in the New Testament does it state that Christ disapproves of tradition. Jesus didn't have images of fish or anything. Jesus spoke against traditions because people followed traditions and didn't care to follow God. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matthew 15:3
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Post by Sonny on May 3, 2019 19:09:29 GMT
The Greek word for fish is Ichthys, which was also used as an acrostic by the first century Christians- 'Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter', i.e. Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, as a way to communicate their faith in Christ at times of duress and persecution. "The fish has plenty of other theological overtones as well, for Christ fed the 5,000 with 2 fishes and 5 loaves (a meal recapitulated in Christian love-feasts) and called his disciples "fishers of men." Water baptism, practiced by immersion in the early church, created a parallel between fish and converts. Second-century theologian Tertullian put it this way: "we, little fishes, after the image of our Ichthys, Jesus Christ, are born in the water."" It is tradition, its a part of Christian history, Christian art and not dogma. You would have to prove that Christ disapproved of the usage of this symbol, as he did criticize aspects of early Church that we talked about previously such as sacrifices and other pagan rituals, but the Ichthys was not among them. Old Testament laws covenant and laws were meant for the jews. Nowhere in the New Testament does it state that Christ disapproves of tradition. Jesus didn't have images of fish or anything. Jesus spoke against traditions because people followed traditions and didn't care to follow God. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matthew 15:3 No he did not, but because Christ did not mention Ichthys in his critique of the pagan practices of some of the early believers, he obviously did not have find any faults with it. Context matters, Matthew 15:3 speaks of the importance of God's commandments vs man's traditions, when they come into conflict. It does not state that tradition by itself is a sin of any kind. In anycase, Paul clears this up in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."
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Post by Elizabeth on May 3, 2019 19:33:23 GMT
Jesus didn't have images of fish or anything. Jesus spoke against traditions because people followed traditions and didn't care to follow God. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Matthew 15:3 No he did not, but because Christ did not mention Ichthys in his critique of the pagan practices of some of the early believers, he obviously did not have find any faults with it. Context matters, Matthew 15:3 speaks of the importance of God's commandments vs man's traditions, when they come into conflict. It does not state that tradition by itself is a sin of any kind. In anycase, Paul clears this up in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." People put traditions on an important level Christ said and when they do that they cancel out commandments God said. And no idolatry is in the bible that is ok said by God. He said anything above or below or in the water. Fish is in the water. Verse said nothing in the water. We had no one making idols like this except only some early churches that fell away in the bible that God spoke of because they idolized and couldn't stop. Rip.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 3, 2019 21:45:06 GMT
SOME MUSLIMS ARE WHITE.
ISLAM IS BASED ON FAITH AND NOT RACE.
Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror The orthodox New Age anthropology is ignorant and biased towards the degenerate "going native" of academic misfits who bitterly and vindictively mind-rape their students. Islam appeals to those tribes that were banished to (literally) No Man's Land thousands of years before Mohammed came up with a cretins' creed that appealed to their thrill-killing savagery.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 3, 2019 21:52:59 GMT
Not that I support Islam but it appears no religion was intentionally involved and was just an accident. "A fire at Paris’ Notre Dame cathedral was reportedly started by accident, and is related to ongoing work, according to France 2 News which cites police." boingboing.net/2019/04/15/fire-at-notre-dame-cathedral-i.html Surrender Soirée How can you actually believe that the French authorities, who've been appeasing the Nazislamis for decades, wouldn't suppress evidence?
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Post by Sonny on May 3, 2019 22:35:05 GMT
No he did not, but because Christ did not mention Ichthys in his critique of the pagan practices of some of the early believers, he obviously did not have find any faults with it. Context matters, Matthew 15:3 speaks of the importance of God's commandments vs man's traditions, when they come into conflict. It does not state that tradition by itself is a sin of any kind. In anycase, Paul clears this up in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." People put traditions on an important level Christ said and when they do that they cancel out commandments God said. And no idolatry is in the bible that is ok said by God. He said anything above or below or in the water. Fish is in the water. Verse said nothing in the water. We had no one making idols like this except only some early churches that fell away in the bible that God spoke of because they idolized and couldn't stop. Rip. Except we're not dealing with any kind of conflict between the teachings of Christ and the art, symbolism and tradition in Christianity. You suggest we purge the latter not realizing that the purpose of that art, symbolism, tradition is to bring glory to Christ. We're talking about the symbolic meaning behind a word and a symbol: "The fish, which many may have seen in this form <><, originates from the Greek word for fish, “ichthys/ichthus.” This word is further defined in the acrostic IXNYy (with the N flipped) that translates to: I – Iota or Iesous (which means Jesus) X – Chi or Christos (which means Christ) N – Theta or Theou (which means God) Y – Upsilon or Yidos/Huios (which means Son) Y – Sigma or Soter (which means Savior). Basically, the fish represents the phrase of “Jesus Christ God’s Son is Savior.”" So, basically you're saying that anyone that makes the claim or the statement that 'Christ is our Savior and the Son of God' is practicing idolatry?
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Post by PISTON1246 on May 3, 2019 23:07:46 GMT
SOME MUSLIMS ARE WHITE. ISLAM IS BASED ON FAITH AND NOT RACE.
Echoes of a Prehistoric Horror The orthodox New Age anthropology is ignorant and biased towards the degenerate "going native" of academic misfits who bitterly and vindictively mind-rape their students. Islam appeals to those tribes that were banished to (literally) No Man's Land thousands of years before Mohammed came up with a cretins' creed that appealed to their thrill-killing savagery. WHAT DO YOU THINK MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM CAME UP WITH? IN SURAH 2 YOU SHOULD HAVE READ ABOUT THE TORAH AND GOSPEL IF YOU READ IT ALL. THE GOD WHO IS IN THE TORAH WAS A KILLER AND TOLD MOSES PEACE BE UPON HIM TO PASS DOWN A COMMAND TO KILL SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN A GIVEN LOCATION. SOMEONE WHO IS RIGHT WHEN THEY KILLED IS NOT A MURDERER.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 4, 2019 0:51:53 GMT
People put traditions on an important level Christ said and when they do that they cancel out commandments God said. And no idolatry is in the bible that is ok said by God. He said anything above or below or in the water. Fish is in the water. Verse said nothing in the water. We had no one making idols like this except only some early churches that fell away in the bible that God spoke of because they idolized and couldn't stop. Rip. Except we're not dealing with any kind of conflict between the teachings of Christ and the art, symbolism and tradition in Christianity. You suggest we purge the latter not realizing that the purpose of that art, symbolism, tradition is to bring glory to Christ. We're talking about the symbolic meaning behind a word and a symbol: "The fish, which many may have seen in this form <><, originates from the Greek word for fish, “ichthys/ichthus.” This word is further defined in the acrostic IXNYy (with the N flipped) that translates to: I – Iota or Iesous (which means Jesus) X – Chi or Christos (which means Christ) N – Theta or Theou (which means God) Y – Upsilon or Yidos/Huios (which means Son) Y – Sigma or Soter (which means Savior). Basically, the fish represents the phrase of “Jesus Christ God’s Son is Savior.”" So, basically you're saying that anyone that makes the claim or the statement that 'Christ is our Savior and the Son of God' is practicing idolatry? You're supposed to preach that yeah. Preach not use images which are idolatry.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 4, 2019 0:53:11 GMT
Not that I support Islam but it appears no religion was intentionally involved and was just an accident. "A fire at Paris’ Notre Dame cathedral was reportedly started by accident, and is related to ongoing work, according to France 2 News which cites police." boingboing.net/2019/04/15/fire-at-notre-dame-cathedral-i.html Surrender Soirée How can you actually believe that the French authorities, who've been appeasing the Nazislamis for decades, wouldn't suppress evidence? Actually that is very likely. I don't really trust any authorities to be honest. So you've made a good point.
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Post by fschmidt on May 4, 2019 13:58:53 GMT
But it says here. We can't make any image that's on earth, heaven, or water. Absolutely nothing. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Deuteronomy 5:8 Taken out of context like this, your avatar would be a violation of this rule. But in context it is clear that this is referring to manmade things that are worshipped.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 4, 2019 15:52:08 GMT
But it says here. We can't make any image that's on earth, heaven, or water. Absolutely nothing. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Deuteronomy 5:8 Taken out of context like this, your avatar would be a violation of this rule. But in context it is clear that this is referring to manmade things that are worshipped. Yeah I don't worship it nor would I cry it if was destroyed or something. People who idolize something would put special meaning on something and would take revenge or cry their eyes out it someone took or destroyed their precious object
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