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Post by greatestiam on Apr 8, 2019 13:51:05 GMT
Are you happy to know you will die?
Death or the fact that we die seems to be good news to Christians.
It is said that Adam’s sin brought death to earth and that the wages of sin is death.
Christians also sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.
This indicates that part of god’s plan and desire is that all people should die. God’s plan cannot be derailed., if god is real.
Do you think god’s plan working? If it is working as god wishes, which must be so if there is a powerful god, and if death is good for us, does the thought of dying make you happy?
If the notion of death makes you unhappy, then why sing of sin, --- and by inference, death, --- as being a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan?
Another issue on the death, specifically the death of Jesus springs to mind.
If Jesus was not a sinner, how could he have died?
Regards
DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 8, 2019 14:45:04 GMT
Happy? More like ecstatic! Christians need to pass to their better life and leave this dump behind.  |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 9, 2019 7:40:57 GMT
I'm happy to be brand to this life.
Even if I would be a slimy ooze, or a tiny ant, I should be grateful for anyone who'd created me. Why should I need to be so rude, and unfriendly?
Seems this theme is too close to Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" theme where the monster is suffering because he's alone and having not loving person, no friends, and being left behind by his creator, he really feels the nightmare of his being. Mary Shelley wanted to interpret his husbands thought (as we know about dramatic Percy Shelley's destiny) in a novel, and she did it very well. Shelley (a husband) was an atheist, and he thought that God left us to suffer, and to feel loneliness, and a feel of the fear of many things. So, people 'd rather were sent to the Earth for tortures.
Shelley (a wife) wanted to give us a thought of how all the people thinking of this feeling, and how people suffer even knowing this problem without being deeply acquainted into it.
Instead of just negative thinking I propose to start using dialectic, and at least do a try to see something positive in this world. Even if the monster was created, and there were nothing friendly at his way, it didn't mean he needed to use killing, making disaster and luring everyone to a nightmare.
None of use is perfekt, and it might be very good. We do not know how it looks like to be perfekt for anything.
We should be grateful for little happiness, than showing no mercy for great disasters.
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Post by joustos on Apr 9, 2019 21:58:32 GMT
"If Jesus was not a sinner, how could he have died?"
In one sentence,you have managed to refute the divinity of Jesus, if he actually died. If he did not die, then he did not atone for the sins of Man; that is, he is not the Redeemer.
To stick close to the issue raised in this thread, consider the fact that Jesus on the cross rejected the prospect of death, for he complained in Aramaic: O God, O God [Eloi}, why have you forsaken me?
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 10, 2019 12:48:58 GMT
Happy? More like ecstatic! Christians need to pass to their better life and leave this dump behind. I read this as you not liking a life with purpose and wish eternal life without purpose?
Why would you want that?
Also, if you believe in hell; do you think you could be happy in heaven while watching most of those you love being tortured purposely in hell below you?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 10, 2019 12:54:16 GMT
I'm happy to be brand to this life. We should be grateful for little happiness, than showing no mercy for great disasters. Eternal life here or some heaven, I think, would soon have you living without purpose or reason to be happy.
Would you not be wishing for death after a few hundred years?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 10, 2019 12:58:29 GMT
"If Jesus was not a sinner, how could he have died?" In one sentence,you have managed to refute the divinity of Jesus, if he actually died. If he did not die, then he did not atone for the sins of Man; that is, he is not the Redeemer. To stick close to the issue raised in this thread, consider the fact that Jesus on the cross rejected the prospect of death, for he complained in Aramaic: O God, O God [Eloi}, why have you forsaken me? He may have rejected it, which I do not see in those words, but he died regardless of his rejection of death.
Jesus cannot and is not our savior/redeemer.
Those who think so forget that Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. Not to break it the way the scapegoaters want to do which would make Jesus a law breaker and moral monster.
Here is the law he followed.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral? Do you agree that to abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral?
If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 10, 2019 13:10:43 GMT
Happy? More like ecstatic! Christians need to pass to their better life and leave this dump behind. I read this as you not liking a life with purpose and wish eternal life without purpose?
Why would you want that?
Also, if you believe in hell; do you think you could be happy in heaven while watching most of those you love being tortured purposely in hell below you?
Regards DL
I do live my life with purpose to get into heaven. And I won't be watching people in hell. I'll just know people will be tortured in hell just like many are now. But will only be seeing good things in heaven. Heaven isn't close enough to hell so won't be seeing anything. They can be left alone in peace to burn.  |
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 10, 2019 14:20:33 GMT
I read this as you not liking a life with purpose and wish eternal life without purpose?
Why would you want that?
Also, if you believe in hell; do you think you could be happy in heaven while watching most of those you love being tortured purposely in hell below you?
Regards DL
I do live my life with purpose to get into heaven. And I won't be watching people in hell. I'll just know people will be tortured in hell just like many are now. But will only be seeing good things in heaven. Heaven isn't close enough to hell so won't be seeing anything. They can be left alone in peace to burn. Strange how you do not care that souls you have loved will be purposely tortured. So much for your love.
No wonder you can idol worship a genocidal son murderer while thinking such a vile creature to be good.
Christians call evil good and Jesus says that that is satanic. Not that you care. All you seem to care about is you.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 10, 2019 15:00:57 GMT
I do live my life with purpose to get into heaven. And I won't be watching people in hell. I'll just know people will be tortured in hell just like many are now. But will only be seeing good things in heaven. Heaven isn't close enough to hell so won't be seeing anything. They can be left alone in peace to burn. Strange how you do not care that souls you have loved will be purposely tortured. So much for your love.
No wonder you can idol worship a genocidal son murderer while thinking such a vile creature to be good.
Christians call evil good and Jesus says that that is satanic. Not that you care. All you seem to care about is you.
Regards DL
You seem to not understand the Christian duty and love. We love people enough to tell them to stop what they're doing so they don't go to hell. But we can't force them to listen. They have free will so if they choose to continue their actions they'll choose to go to hell. I hope you will make a wise decision and turn to God to avoid your destiny in hell. But it's your choice and no one else's fault what you decide to do with you future. Cheers |
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 10, 2019 15:20:32 GMT
Strange how you do not care that souls you have loved will be purposely tortured. So much for your love.
No wonder you can idol worship a genocidal son murderer while thinking such a vile creature to be good.
Christians call evil good and Jesus says that that is satanic. Not that you care. All you seem to care about is you.
Regards DL
You seem to not understand the Christian duty and love. We love people enough to tell them to stop what they're doing so they don't go to hell. But we can't force them to listen. They have free will so if they choose to continue their actions they'll choose to go to hell. I hope you will make a wise decision and turn to God to avoid your destiny in hell. But it's your choice and no one else's fault what you decide to do with you future. Cheers I wish you would stop lying to me.
Your own scriptures say that god will give the grace to believe to those he chooses and deny it to others and that negates any free will you can point to.
Your whole ideology/theology is based on the lies you spew when you ignore your own bible.
Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 10, 2019 17:20:26 GMT
You seem to not understand the Christian duty and love. We love people enough to tell them to stop what they're doing so they don't go to hell. But we can't force them to listen. They have free will so if they choose to continue their actions they'll choose to go to hell. I hope you will make a wise decision and turn to God to avoid your destiny in hell. But it's your choice and no one else's fault what you decide to do with you future. Cheers I wish you would stop lying to me.
Your own scriptures say that god will give the grace to believe to those he chooses and deny it to others and that negates any free will you can point to.
Your whole ideology/theology is based on the lies you spew when you ignore your own bible.
Regards DL I'm not lying to you. You're just rejecting God and everlasting life. Receive it while you still can. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 Seriously though... Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Acts 3:19 |
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 11, 2019 12:54:33 GMT
If all you are going to do is lie to me, have the couth to ignore me, please.
Regards
DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 11, 2019 17:16:59 GMT
If all you are going to do is lie to me, have the couth to ignore me, please. Regards DL I gave you direct bible verses and a direct one God telling you to repent if you want what He's providing but you're refusing it and this verse did say people normally refuse because they rather not go to heaven. Have a good day. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 Even though it can't be more easier to get what God's offering. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Matthew 7:8 Feels like this ending will be your story too. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. Hebrews 12:17 It's not a happy ending to be rejected later by refusing to accept the offer. Change this. Only you can. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 11, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
I'm happy to be brand to this life. We should be grateful for little happiness, than showing no mercy for great disasters. Eternal life here or some heaven, I think, would soon have you living without purpose or reason to be happy.
Would you not be wishing for death after a few hundred years?
Regards DL
It'd rather impossible to answer your question without any phenomenology. As soon as I had understand myself as me, as myself, as I... whatever... I started my experience story to be endless... Feeling tired of life is, of course, possible, and after some time we can start complaining about this, but it's not fair to compare this life and heaven's one. The heaven's one is a life without this Earth bad experience. Here we can be sad, and ugly; here we feel regret and pain, but not there. As God said (behold to God's words!!): <<19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.>>
Matthew 6:19-21 (NIV)
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