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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 6, 2019 3:18:16 GMT
For those not familiar with my views on homosexuality, I will make them very clear and why I hold them. Homosexuality is an abomination. It is an act that used to be self evidently held to be so disgusting, so distasteful, so perverse that it was considered immoral. Now mainly because many people in Hollywood held this perversion and worked through movies, television, and their influence on liberals to normalize their disgusting behavior it is no longer considered immoral by the sheep that make up American society it must be explained clearly WHY exactly it is immoral so in this thread I intend to do so.
My argument for why homosexuality is immoral rests on the fact that there are things so disgusting, so distasteful, and so perverse that they are immoral though they do not directly and immediately hurt anyone except the people partaking in said thing.
Now many people's moral compass rests on the assumption that "if it's not hurting anybody it's not wrong." Well, those people are hypocrites because I can easily name something right now that hurts nobody but is obviously wrong. That thing is bestiality. Having sex with an animal... say your dog. Now you may object and say, "the dog is getting hurt here!" And to that, I answer, "what if the dog gives consent?" And they obviously do all the time. Anyone who spends time with an unneutered or unspayed dog knows that those animals want to get it on with everyone and everything. They are always trying to hump you and they at that moment are very willing to screw you. Now someone here might say, "a dog is like a child it doesn't have the mental capacity to consent to sex." This argument is nonsense because unless you are insane you believe that dogs absolutely do have the capacity to consent to have sex with each other. If they have the right to consent to have sex with each other and they want to have sex with you a human who are you to say its wrong for the human to give his consent as well and fulfill that lecherous dog's lust?
Let's go a step further. Say a scientist found a way to genetically alter dogs to where they are as smart as human beings. If those dogs, every bit as smart and sentient as human beings say, "I want a human for a lover" and a human consents, unless you are insane I believe fully that you will think that this is wrong. Why would you think these indiscretions in these scenarios are wrong? Because it is so distasteful, so perverse, so wrong, that it is immoral.
There are many deviancies that fit the category of, "well, they aren't hurting anybody." Incest for example. If a man has a vasectomy where he cannot have children and then marries his sister and has sex with her most people would say that's wrong, disgusting, and abominable and treat someone that did this very badly (I don't think they should be treated badly no matter how immoral it is.) Homosexuality used to be one of these things until Hollywood gays got a hold of the left. And if a large number of bestialphils, incest enthusiasts, polygamous people,(and I am even convinced so stupid and easily manipulated is the modern populace) pedophiles were running Hollywood, making movies and TV shows Will and Grace style glorifying it, polluting politics with their dirty money, and molding your imbecilic minds in this fashion you would defend these with as much vigor and indignation as you do homosexuality. Your thoughts are not your own, your culture and its corruption control you.
The proper role of sex is between married males and females of the same species and unrelated; anything other than this is an unnatural abomination.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 16:57:32 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html Didn't you say you was from Alabama or Virginia? Bible belt is pro-life, but has no qualms about the death penalty, rather "kill them and let God sort em out" rather than forgive them: "Capital punishment is most widely accepted, defended and used in our nation’s Bible Belt, the stronghold of conservative Christian Evangelicalism that extends across the Southeast and South Central United States, from Texas and Oklahoma (where the majority of executions take place), through most of America’s southeast. Altogether, it includes parts of about 16 states, though definitions vary." Source: relevantmagazine.com/culture/politics-culture/the-hypocrisy-of-bible-belt-executions/ The Bible belt indulges in more online porn than any other less religious state in the U.S.: "A new study has found that US states with a higher degree of religiosity are more likely to be searching for sex on the web. The study was compiled by researchers at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, and based on two years of data from Google Trends across US states. Researchers found that states identified as religiously conservative and politically conservative were indulging in more online pornography than other more liberal states. Source:https://www.christiantoday.com/article/americas-bible-belt-states-indulge-in-more-online-porn-than-other-less-religious-states/42045.htm So with all that being said it is no wonder that the exchange you and I had has gotten me to come to the realization that I do not respect you, not even as a human being, but it also doesn't surprise me that you'll make a thread with an illogical position and no plausible argument as to why you dislike homosexuals. One of the things that are remiss among Bible thumpers is the example of Jesus. As we see in Jesus' example he hung around with those that were less fortunate and socially awkward and the chastised. Jesus scolded others who judged openly as he scolded the crowd who came after the so-called prostitute. I'm sure if Jesus were here undetected, you'd chastise him perhaps calling him all types of slurs. You my friend, worship in a Caucasian's bastardize version of Christianity. I wish the whole south would secede from the United States so we can watch you all become your own backwards third world country. Cause us Californians are tired of carrying all southern 16 states. Huh; I thought I blocked you. Apparently not. Fixing that immediately.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
anaxagoras Edit: My previous comment before the edit was insulting toward you Anaxagoras. I find it distasteful to insult someone as a Christian and am trying to stop doing it, even to someone such as you. So, I will rephrase what I've said in the kindest way possible. I will not respond to you nor engage you in any debate. I do not think it worth my time to do so. I advise you not to waste your breath and engage me further. Thank you.
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 7, 2019 17:12:47 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html Didn't you say you was from Alabama or Virginia? Bible belt is pro-life, but has no qualms about the death penalty, rather "kill them and let God sort em out" rather than forgive them: "Capital punishment is most widely accepted, defended and used in our nation’s Bible Belt, the stronghold of conservative Christian Evangelicalism that extends across the Southeast and South Central United States, from Texas and Oklahoma (where the majority of executions take place), through most of America’s southeast. Altogether, it includes parts of about 16 states, though definitions vary." Source: relevantmagazine.com/culture/politics-culture/the-hypocrisy-of-bible-belt-executions/ The Bible belt indulges in more online porn than any other less religious state in the U.S.: "A new study has found that US states with a higher degree of religiosity are more likely to be searching for sex on the web. The study was compiled by researchers at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, and based on two years of data from Google Trends across US states. Researchers found that states identified as religiously conservative and politically conservative were indulging in more online pornography than other more liberal states. Source:https://www.christiantoday.com/article/americas-bible-belt-states-indulge-in-more-online-porn-than-other-less-religious-states/42045.htm So with all that being said it is no wonder that the exchange you and I had has gotten me to come to the realization that I do not respect you, not even as a human being, but it also doesn't surprise me that you'll make a thread with an illogical position and no plausible argument as to why you dislike homosexuals. One of the things that are remiss among Bible thumpers is the example of Jesus. As we see in Jesus' example he hung around with those that were less fortunate and socially awkward and the chastised. Jesus scolded others who judged openly as he scolded the crowd who came after the so-called prostitute. I'm sure if Jesus were here undetected, you'd chastise him perhaps calling him all types of slurs. You my friend, worship in a Caucasian's bastardize version of Christianity. I wish the whole south would secede from the United States so we can watch you all become your own backwards third world country. Cause us Californians are tired of carrying all southern 16 states. Huh; I thought I blocked you. Apparently not. Fixing that immediately. I know, I know, hard to argue with someone who actually has some logical sense. Have at it Haus!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 17:24:20 GMT
Do you wish death on homosexuals? I don't. I wish for them to change their ways and find God. God raining fire on gays is not something a Christian should wish for. If only they would repent otherwise God can do His righteous judgement. I'm in support of God's actions even the one He did in Sodom and Gomorrah. So when God says it's time then He can pour out His wrath. It will happen. And Christians must support God's plans. What I'm saying is that I'd rather not have God execute his judgment. I'd rather them repent and avoid his judgment. God doesn't enjoy destroying people even when justified in doing it and neither should we. I don't think that it is right to look in eager anticipation of the death of gays and God's judgment on them. I think that this actually meets the level of hatred instead of Christian love. A Christian is supposed to hate the sin but love and pray for the people who commit said sin not wish for their deaths.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 7, 2019 17:55:15 GMT
If only they would repent otherwise God can do His righteous judgement. I'm in support of God's actions even the one He did in Sodom and Gomorrah. So when God says it's time then He can pour out His wrath. It will happen. And Christians must support God's plans. What I'm saying is that I'd rather not have God execute his judgment. I'd rather them repent and avoid his judgment. God doesn't enjoy destroying people even when justified in doing it and neither should we. I don't think that it is right to look in eager anticipation of the death of gays and God's judgment on them. I think that this actually meets the level of hatred instead of Christian love. A Christian is supposed to hate the sin but love and pray for the people who commit said sin not wish for their deaths. I know but He must do it and He will but it's because they won't repent. So...it's based on their choice
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 7, 2019 17:59:00 GMT
It is and always will be an abomination. Another cleasing would be nice like the one God did in Sodom and Gomorrah.Starting with the intolerable people of the above like mind. Humanity never cease to amaze me not the least, but I'm not surprised coming from a person who said in another thread to the likes of: "If you don't want me to be racist towards you don't be racist towards me." The intolerance here is astounding. What does race have to do with sexuality? This thread is not on race. This thread is on bad actions of people in terms of sexuality.
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Post by Sonny on Apr 7, 2019 18:23:09 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html What makes you think the low education scores are based on religiosity and not a product of demographics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_populationYou're just blaming a particular religion, but there are many multivariate factors involved. I suspect that religion probably does not play any part at all. To prove your point you would have to eliminate race from the equation. Do you have statistics on education based on race? Edit: BTW, daily reminder that mohammud was a pedophile and pakistanis have iq's in the 80's.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 18:35:27 GMT
What I'm saying is that I'd rather not have God execute his judgment. I'd rather them repent and avoid his judgment. God doesn't enjoy destroying people even when justified in doing it and neither should we. I don't think that it is right to look in eager anticipation of the death of gays and God's judgment on them. I think that this actually meets the level of hatred instead of Christian love. A Christian is supposed to hate the sin but love and pray for the people who commit said sin not wish for their deaths. I know but He must do it and He will but it's because they won't repent. So...it's based on their choice Oh yeah; I know. I just don't think that it will be nice to see it as you put it. I just think you phrased what you said a little poorly is what I'm saying.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 7, 2019 18:38:08 GMT
I know but He must do it and He will but it's because they won't repent. So...it's based on their choice Oh yeah; I know. I just don't think that it will be nice to see it as you put it. I just think you phrased what you said a little poorly is what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you thought I meant to hate them? But no. I'm still for loving everyone but hating sin.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 18:39:39 GMT
Starting with the intolerable people of the above like mind. Humanity never cease to amaze me not the least, but I'm not surprised coming from a person who said in another thread to the likes of: "If you don't want me to be racist towards you don't be racist towards me." The intolerance here is astounding. What does race have to do with sexuality? This thread is not on race. This thread is on bad actions of people in terms of sexuality. Don't you know? Literally everything is about race even when it's not. To not think so probably proves that you are a white supremacist.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 7, 2019 19:20:53 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html What makes you think the low education scores are based on religiosity and not a product of demographics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_populationYou're just blaming a particular religion, but there are many multivariate factors involved. I suspect that religion probably does not play any part at all. To prove your point you would have to eliminate race from the equation. Do you have statistics on education based on race? Edit: BTW, daily reminder that mohammud was a pedophile and pakistanis have iq's in the 80's.
Well, its actually pretty interesting that you mention that because here's a list of states by educational attainment and California ranks dead last at number 50 BEHIND all of the southern states in every level of educational achievement. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment So, if we're an abomination because of education than California if far more of an abomination. California is actually an abomination in many other ways. He says that the South would descend into a third world country without California but the south is the third largest economy in the world behind China and the rest of the US. southernautocorridor.com/2018/07/10/the-american-south-the-worlds-third-largest-economy/ California is only the sixth largest economy though its wealth inequality, amount of people living in poverty, and general depravity in cities pretty much make it a third world type of country already. pjmedia.com/trending/california-ranks-as-poorest-state-one-of-the-worst-for-income-inequality/ This is the Californian pot calling the Southern kettle black.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 7, 2019 21:26:37 GMT
May the Creator of all life help you all and your ignorance. Why can't you people (and I say you people because many of you that believe such backwards thought are a different brand of humanity) just allow God to be God, and you be you. What brings people to God is not you wagging your finger at them and warning them about fire and hell, what brings people to God is the goodness you demonstrate through non-biased, and unprejudiced good works and deeds. It's sad that God has given a lot of you the gift of the immortal consciousness from divine providence and you ruin it with this bullshit. I'm not concerned about the next man's soul because I have to worry about my own soul. Who am I to talk about judgment of another human being if I'm not living a perfect example of what I preach. So far, in this thread all this God talk you guys are discussing not one person here is demonstrating the compassionate teachings of Jesus, son of Mary. Not one person here is demonstrating God's compassion and love to humankind and yet, you all are here wagging your fingers and wishing death on a people. You're not Christians you all worship a sanitized version of it. I don't think you understand the Biblical Christian position. Christians, as individuals, do not make up the rules. The rules they expound do not come from them, they come from God's word. The warning about fire and hell comes from the Bible, and the we are commanded to give warning to those about the coming judgement. As for the goodness we demonstrate, yes, we are also to do that to be an example to others, we are commanded to love all. Hence, giving warning of the coming judgement and hell is love; it is the same as warning someone wearing a blindfold who is walking toward a cliff to certain death that they are walking to their doom. To just sit back and watch, or rather, to not give them warning is to not love them, but if they ignore you and continue in the same direction then we can only pray for them. Doesn't that make you selfish? Can you give an example? I will say that a Christian does not do any judgement of their own understanding, but it is rather based on the judgements given by God recorded in the Bible. Can you give an example? And by the way, Jesus is the Son of God. If you're talking about Elizabeth 's comment, she is talking about the judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah in where God sent fire from heaven onto a people who were exceedingly sinful and evil. The same happened in the time of Noah and the flood. Those people during both those times received God's righteous judgement, and Elizabeth is saying that evil people like these who have rejected God and have become reprobate need to receive this judgement as these kind of people will only spread their evil and sinful ways to the rest of the world. God extended His love to them when He gave His divine revelation and made Himself known to the world, He moreover extended His love further when He gave His only begotten Son for the sins of the whole world so that by our faith in Christ's work on the cross through a new and better covenant with better promises we may be saved from fiery judgement. What do you mean by this statement?
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Post by Polaris on Apr 7, 2019 22:41:15 GMT
it is just disgusting.
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 8, 2019 23:55:16 GMT
Starting with the intolerable people of the above like mind. Humanity never cease to amaze me not the least, but I'm not surprised coming from a person who said in another thread to the likes of: "If you don't want me to be racist towards you don't be racist towards me." The intolerance here is astounding. What does race have to do with sexuality? This thread is not on race. This thread is on bad actions of people in terms of sexuality. SMH if you cannot understand the significance of my post which is to highlight your innate inclination to be intolerant I don't know what to tell you. Further explaining my situation would only be insulting. To be fair quite obviously I know the thread isn't about race. I was merely saying that coming from someone like you whose homosexual opinion seems to be bigoted, it ought to not surprise me considering that you held a similar position considering that you'd be racist towards someone who made a racist remark towards you (meaning if pejorative remarks towards your ethnic demographic compels you to be racist that means you were already bigoted and racist to begin with).
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Post by anaxagoras on Apr 9, 2019 0:04:59 GMT
You're from the south, the whole southern region is an abomination. According to recent polls (2018) southern states reach dead last in education: Tennessee. Total score: 35.52. Nevada. Total score: 32.84. ... Kentucky. Total score: 31.80. Alabama. Total score: 31.33. Arkansas. Total score: 27.18. Louisiana. Total score: 22.96. West Virginia. Total score: 21.71. Mississippi. Total score: 21.06. Source:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-2018.html What makes you think the low education scores are based on religiosity and not a product of demographics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_populationYou're just blaming a particular religion, but there are many multivariate factors involved. I suspect that religion probably does not play any part at all. To prove your point you would have to eliminate race from the equation. Do you have statistics on education based on race? Edit: BTW, daily reminder that mohammud was a pedophile and pakistanis have iq's in the 80's.
This is sooooo funny let me break this down: I never began my position off that way, I merely stated that the OP proclaims to be from the south. Well, the southern states aren't the most intelligent when it comes to education and they are, at least statistically in comparison to other states the least intelligent-education wise. Actually, I wasn't. If you go back and re-read my post instead of insinuating I merely began stating that at least from my perspective what I was really insinuating on is that off the top I'm not surprised that someone can be so bigoted considering that such a person come from one of the stupidest parts of the United States. In research there is a definite correlation between social views and education, however there are outliers. Religion does play a part in how one is education. If I show you a research link will you promise me your head doesn't explode especially if the research contains multivariate statistics? And what does this have to do with my point?
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