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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Mar 28, 2019 14:31:29 GMT
With the death of "sexuality" comes an increased sterilization of values and meaning within the human condition. Now "sex" is not to be taken in the strict "erotic" only sense of the word, but the inherent active/form and passive/formless energy inherent within both the psyche and existence at the macro scale.
With the death of masculinity comes a dissolution into chaos and nihilism.
With the death of femininity comes a dissolution into oppressive tyrannical reign.
With the death of both comes institutionalized nihilism and chaos.
If "men" die...so will women... Their fates are inter-joined.
Here are a few articles:
Political Correctness in West
China Tackles 'Masculinity Crisis,' Tries to Stop 'Effeminate' Boys
Article claiming crisis is not statistically supported, however qualitative observations do not completely align:
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Post by vicky on Mar 28, 2019 20:10:47 GMT
Women are adopting a lot of manly traits in an attempt to have equality. As a result they're becoming the very thing they fought against in the first place.
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Post by jonbain on Mar 28, 2019 21:17:37 GMT
I don't think these issues are any more real now than
they always have been. It may be getting more noticed
purely because the modern world and multimedia puts
everything in the spotlight.
As kid in the 70's the TV was rife with crap
like boxing, and thus it created the illusion
that all men where these thuggish brutes,
but what did not get noticed still existed.
I'd like to to see less quotes from corporate
blowfish like J Peterson, and more real
discussion on whether this thread is dealing
with anything more real than the fake
lunar landings.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Mar 30, 2019 13:58:20 GMT
I don't think these issues are any more real now than they always have been. It may be getting more noticed purely because the modern world and multimedia puts everything in the spotlight. As kid in the 70's the TV was rife with crap like boxing, and thus it created the illusion that all men where these thuggish brutes, but what did not get noticed still existed. I'd like to to see less quotes from corporate blowfish like J Peterson, and more real discussion on whether this thread is dealing with anything more real than the fake lunar landings. And how is J Peterson a corporate blowfish exactly? |
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Post by jonbain on Mar 30, 2019 21:38:51 GMT
I don't think these issues are any more real now than they always have been. It may be getting more noticed purely because the modern world and multimedia puts everything in the spotlight. As kid in the 70's the TV was rife with crap like boxing, and thus it created the illusion that all men where these thuggish brutes, but what did not get noticed still existed. I'd like to to see less quotes from corporate blowfish like J Peterson, and more real discussion on whether this thread is dealing with anything more real than the fake lunar landings. And how is J Peterson a corporate blowfish exactly? Well, he is little more than a glorified suit-and-tie salesman, not so? Reminds me of that Richard Quest corpie boot-licker. All puffed up full of empty words. The way JP constantly semi-quotes Jung suggests that he has never actually read anything more than secondary texts, that are themselves likely cribbed from study-aids. I reckon he must have distorted Jung more than anyone else I have heard. Still not sure why you reckon masculinity is any worse than before. Unless you miss the days of ww2 and all that 'manly' bombing and killing. Tally-ho! |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 1, 2019 20:02:00 GMT
And how is J Peterson a corporate blowfish exactly? Well, he is little more than a glorified suit-and-tie salesman, not so? Reminds me of that Richard Quest corpie boot-licker. All puffed up full of empty words. The way JP constantly semi-quotes Jung suggests that he has never actually read anything more than secondary texts, that are themselves likely cribbed from study-aids. I reckon he must have distorted Jung more than anyone else I have heard. Still not sure why you reckon masculinity is any worse than before. Unless you miss the days of ww2 and all that 'manly' bombing and killing. Tally-ho! The replacement of the human condition and human interaction through technology. Technology which replaces the human condition, ie social media, AI, etc., effectively sets the human condition in an artificially constructed cage. When you have kids who cannot deal with basic natural social interaction, but rather exist through Iphones, or tech which replaces the actual nature of mankinds ability to physically work or apply their mind...then an issue of "directing" energy or rather how one interacts with the world is a key concern. The question is simply mankind must direct its energy, with the elimination of the human condition the energy becomes undirected and chaos ensues. It is not limited to masculinity alone, femininity as well. As to JP..."I reckon" and "distorted" are not arguments. Keep in mind any translation of a text is always subjective and subject to a distortion. |
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Post by jonbain on Apr 4, 2019 19:29:50 GMT
Well, he is little more than a glorified suit-and-tie salesman, not so? Reminds me of that Richard Quest corpie boot-licker. All puffed up full of empty words. The way JP constantly semi-quotes Jung suggests that he has never actually read anything more than secondary texts, that are themselves likely cribbed from study-aids. I reckon he must have distorted Jung more than anyone else I have heard. Still not sure why you reckon masculinity is any worse than before. Unless you miss the days of ww2 and all that 'manly' bombing and killing. Tally-ho! The replacement of the human condition and human interaction through technology. Technology which replaces the human condition, ie social media, AI, etc., effectively sets the human condition in an artificially constructed cage. When you have kids who cannot deal with basic natural social interaction, but rather exist through Iphones, or tech which replaces the actual nature of mankinds ability to physically work or apply their mind...then an issue of "directing" energy or rather how one interacts with the world is a key concern. The question is simply mankind must direct its energy, with the elimination of the human condition the energy becomes undirected and chaos ensues. It is not limited to masculinity alone, femininity as well. As to JP..."I reckon" and "distorted" are not arguments. Keep in mind any translation of a text is always subjective and subject to a distortion. Sure, I have not submitted my PhD on this thread yet, "I reckon" and "distorted" are not meant as arguments, but as conclusions. Given the brevity of social media, detailed arguments normally get glossed over if presented in their full analytical glory. I have not kept exact details of J Peterson's errors, but when he claimed that "Jungian psychology is dark" he 100% got it upside-down. As for 'evils' of technology, the Victorians had a similar attitude to people who spent all their time reading novels, and last century the complaint was about too much TV. The subtle point is that undermining people's gender-construction by tsk-tsking at how 'unmanly' or 'unwomanly' they are is an age-old complaint, and not actually based on much more than older generations sighing at their own lost youth. |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 9, 2019 0:45:20 GMT
Well, he is little more than a glorified suit-and-tie salesman, not so? Reminds me of that Richard Quest corpie boot-licker. All puffed up full of empty words. The way JP constantly semi-quotes Jung suggests that he has never actually read anything more than secondary texts, that are themselves likely cribbed from study-aids. I reckon he must have distorted Jung more than anyone else I have heard. Still not sure why you reckon masculinity is any worse than before. Unless you miss the days of ww2 and all that 'manly' bombing and killing. Tally-ho! The replacement of the human condition and human interaction through technology. Technology which replaces the human condition, ie social media, AI, etc., effectively sets the human condition in an artificially constructed cage. When you have kids who cannot deal with basic natural social interaction, but rather exist through Iphones, or tech which replaces the actual nature of mankinds ability to physically work or apply their mind...then an issue of "directing" energy or rather how one interacts with the world is a key concern. The question is simply mankind must direct its energy, with the elimination of the human condition the energy becomes undirected and chaos ensues. It is not limited to masculinity alone, femininity as well. As to JP..."I reckon" and "distorted" are not arguments. Keep in mind any translation of a text is always subjective and subject to a distortion. You're making a symptom a cause. Weaklings are driven by a pre-condition of emptiness into technological escapism. |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 11, 2019 17:50:22 GMT
The replacement of the human condition and human interaction through technology. Technology which replaces the human condition, ie social media, AI, etc., effectively sets the human condition in an artificially constructed cage. When you have kids who cannot deal with basic natural social interaction, but rather exist through Iphones, or tech which replaces the actual nature of mankinds ability to physically work or apply their mind...then an issue of "directing" energy or rather how one interacts with the world is a key concern. The question is simply mankind must direct its energy, with the elimination of the human condition the energy becomes undirected and chaos ensues. It is not limited to masculinity alone, femininity as well. As to JP..."I reckon" and "distorted" are not arguments. Keep in mind any translation of a text is always subjective and subject to a distortion. You're making a symptom a cause. Weaklings are driven by a pre-condition of emptiness into technological escapism. Its a circular argument...technology or emptiness...which came first? The technology, as an extension of how we percieve reality (considering it is formed by our own hands), is a replication of the subjective experience of the individual in which we equally project our "view" of the world by the way we form it. Luxury is a subjective state. Noone really can agree on what it is. Technology, at least modern technology considering technology is an inevitable state of the human condition, is premised on this subjective state of luxury. This subjective nature, not universally agreed upon, results in a potentially infinite number of technologies that replicate the subjective state of the observer which uses them. This is a problem considering that this technology is the means through which we exist...it is a way of life, and when this "way of life" is fundamentally fragmented A simpler example is variations in gaming technology over the years. Owning a nintendo 64 has fundamentally different memories/experiences for those who used them than the current PS(Whatever) so while one generation grows up with one set of the experiences another does not. A generation gap occurs in this regard caused fundamentally by a lack of technology transfer, considering technology is a way of life, in which one generation is separated in accords by the experiences of the other. A more practical example would be simple logging. The techniques of using an axe/handsaw (as well as the axe/handsaw) would be passed down from father to son through the course of time causing a form of "bonding" through an information transfer. With the creation of the chainsaw, during that time period, an information/way of life gap occurred between generations briefly. This caused a form of separation where one generation did not percieve reality the same way in which another did. Now take that at the everyday modern level, with the increasing rate of change in technology, and we see this "seperation" fundamentally multiplies causing a perceived generation and sub-generation gap where people cannot transfer a way of life (which is grounded fundamentally in knowledge of a way of life) to another generation. This causes a cognitive dissonance and a sense of alienation which multiplies not just to a general sense of coldness and hostility but fundamentally a question of personal identity due to a loss of basic sacrifice (ie "loss of self") which is inherent within not just natural law but fundamental tenets of religious dogma. Add in the simple fact technology replaces the human condition and this multiplies the problem. Where a group of men may bond over simply collecting wood because of the technology of axe work the chain saw effectively nullifies this bond by eradicating a group effort. It also causes a greater separation of the human condition, a greater perception of subject/object dichotomy, at the intuitive level where the individual(s) is less personally involved with the work they are involved in. Breaking a sweat with an axe vs a chainsaw causes an absence of connection in certain respects, hence an absence of respect and responsibility, due to less "blood, sweat and tears". This shedding of blood, sweat and tears, empirically and intuitively is "loss of self" that necessitates a connection whether one likes it or not. I may hate playing "x" sport...but if I spent years sweating over it trying to master it...it eventually because an extension of my identity in one degree or another and that perceived "hatred" fundamentally lessens. While this applies to the sport it also reflects back to the above point of group work...you create a bond with those you suffer with whether you like it or not...it just happens. Paradoxically this "suffering" causes a greater sense of stability; hence less "suffering". In this manner suffering takes on a more meaningful role while fundamentally being transformed into something of value rather than "pointless". This absence of meaningful suffering leads to the inherent nihilistic state we see increase in 1st world countries which in turn is reflected in this "lack of growing up" (of both sexes) where the technology acts as a "womb" we are unable to birther ourselves out of (see "yani worship/nihilism thread") which further multiplies to not just further relational difficulties but the general identity crisis we see in first world countries (I mean "crisis" not in the strict straight/gay/whatever manner only but the basic means of a man's/woman's/child's role in society). Sacrifice has not only an inherent bonding element to it but fundamentally one of identity as well. This bonding is necessary, not just for empirical survival, but intuitively as well where a sense of felt "connection" creates a necessary moral bond which fundamentally lessens vice in one manner or another as each person become an extension of the other's identity hence self-preservation instinct. And I will stop here... |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 11, 2019 21:49:52 GMT
Crushed and Leveled From Those Who Walk Tall By Walking All Over PeopleYou're making a symptom a cause. Weaklings are driven by a pre-condition of emptiness into technological escapism. Its a circular argument...technology or emptiness...which came first? The technology, as an extension of how we percieve reality (considering it is formed by our own hands), is a replication of the subjective experience of the individual in which we equally project our "view" of the world by the way we form it. Luxury is a subjective state. Noone really can agree on what it is. Technology, at least modern technology considering technology is an inevitable state of the human condition, is premised on this subjective state of luxury. This subjective nature, not universally agreed upon, results in a potentially infinite number of technologies that replicate the subjective state of the observer which uses them. This is a problem considering that this technology is the means through which we exist...it is a way of life, and when this "way of life" is fundamentally fragmented A simpler example is variations in gaming technology over the years. Owning a nintendo 64 has fundamentally different memories/experiences for those who used them than the current PS(Whatever) so while one generation grows up with one set of the experiences another does not. A generation gap occurs in this regard caused fundamentally by a lack of technology transfer, considering technology is a way of life, in which one generation is separated in accords by the experiences of the other. A more practical example would be simple logging. The techniques of using an axe/handsaw (as well as the axe/handsaw) would be passed down from father to son through the course of time causing a form of "bonding" through an information transfer. With the creation of the chainsaw, during that time period, an information/way of life gap occurred between generations briefly. This caused a form of separation where one generation did not percieve reality the same way in which another did. Now take that at the everyday modern level, with the increasing rate of change in technology, and we see this "seperation" fundamentally multiplies causing a perceived generation and sub-generation gap where people cannot transfer a way of life (which is grounded fundamentally in knowledge of a way of life) to another generation. This causes a cognitive dissonance and a sense of alienation which multiplies not just to a general sense of coldness and hostility but fundamentally a question of personal identity due to a loss of basic sacrifice (ie "loss of self") which is inherent within not just natural law but fundamental tenets of religious dogma. Add in the simple fact technology replaces the human condition and this multiplies the problem. Where a group of men may bond over simply collecting wood because of the technology of axe work the chain saw effectively nullifies this bond by eradicating a group effort. It also causes a greater separation of the human condition, a greater perception of subject/object dichotomy, at the intuitive level where the individual(s) is less personally involved with the work they are involved in. Breaking a sweat with an axe vs a chainsaw causes an absence of connection in certain respects, hence an absence of respect and responsibility, due to less "blood, sweat and tears". This shedding of blood, sweat and tears, empirically and intuitively is "loss of self" that necessitates a connection whether one likes it or not. I may hate playing "x" sport...but if I spent years sweating over it trying to master it...it eventually because an extension of my identity in one degree or another and that perceived "hatred" fundamentally lessens. While this applies to the sport it also reflects back to the above point of group work...you create a bond with those you suffer with whether you like it or not...it just happens. Paradoxically this "suffering" causes a greater sense of stability; hence less "suffering". In this manner suffering takes on a more meaningful role while fundamentally being transformed into something of value rather than "pointless". This absence of meaningful suffering leads to the inherent nihilistic state we see increase in 1st world countries which in turn is reflected in this "lack of growing up" (of both sexes) where the technology acts as a "womb" we are unable to birther ourselves out of (see "yani worship/nihilism thread") which further multiplies to not just further relational difficulties but the general identity crisis we see in first world countries (I mean "crisis" not in the strict straight/gay/whatever manner only but the basic means of a man's/woman's/child's role in society). Sacrifice has not only an inherent bonding element to it but fundamentally one of identity as well. This bonding is necessary, not just for empirical survival, but intuitively as well where a sense of felt "connection" creates a necessary moral bond which fundamentally lessens vice in one manner or another as each person become an extension of the other's identity hence self-preservation instinct. And I will stop here... Normal people would rather not be bothered with obsolete chores in order to get something useful or pleasurable done. So this connection to naturally undesirable processes misses the point. A lumberjack is not going to chop down a tree for the pleasure of the chopping. There is something wrong with him if he needs to get a sense of self-identity from how closely the chopping itself affects him. |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 13, 2019 19:35:47 GMT
Its a circular argument...technology or emptiness...which came first? The technology, as an extension of how we percieve reality (considering it is formed by our own hands), is a replication of the subjective experience of the individual in which we equally project our "view" of the world by the way we form it. Luxury is a subjective state. Noone really can agree on what it is. Technology, at least modern technology considering technology is an inevitable state of the human condition, is premised on this subjective state of luxury. This subjective nature, not universally agreed upon, results in a potentially infinite number of technologies that replicate the subjective state of the observer which uses them. This is a problem considering that this technology is the means through which we exist...it is a way of life, and when this "way of life" is fundamentally fragmented A simpler example is variations in gaming technology over the years. Owning a nintendo 64 has fundamentally different memories/experiences for those who used them than the current PS(Whatever) so while one generation grows up with one set of the experiences another does not. A generation gap occurs in this regard caused fundamentally by a lack of technology transfer, considering technology is a way of life, in which one generation is separated in accords by the experiences of the other. A more practical example would be simple logging. The techniques of using an axe/handsaw (as well as the axe/handsaw) would be passed down from father to son through the course of time causing a form of "bonding" through an information transfer. With the creation of the chainsaw, during that time period, an information/way of life gap occurred between generations briefly. This caused a form of separation where one generation did not percieve reality the same way in which another did. Now take that at the everyday modern level, with the increasing rate of change in technology, and we see this "seperation" fundamentally multiplies causing a perceived generation and sub-generation gap where people cannot transfer a way of life (which is grounded fundamentally in knowledge of a way of life) to another generation. This causes a cognitive dissonance and a sense of alienation which multiplies not just to a general sense of coldness and hostility but fundamentally a question of personal identity due to a loss of basic sacrifice (ie "loss of self") which is inherent within not just natural law but fundamental tenets of religious dogma. Add in the simple fact technology replaces the human condition and this multiplies the problem. Where a group of men may bond over simply collecting wood because of the technology of axe work the chain saw effectively nullifies this bond by eradicating a group effort. It also causes a greater separation of the human condition, a greater perception of subject/object dichotomy, at the intuitive level where the individual(s) is less personally involved with the work they are involved in. Breaking a sweat with an axe vs a chainsaw causes an absence of connection in certain respects, hence an absence of respect and responsibility, due to less "blood, sweat and tears". This shedding of blood, sweat and tears, empirically and intuitively is "loss of self" that necessitates a connection whether one likes it or not. I may hate playing "x" sport...but if I spent years sweating over it trying to master it...it eventually because an extension of my identity in one degree or another and that perceived "hatred" fundamentally lessens. While this applies to the sport it also reflects back to the above point of group work...you create a bond with those you suffer with whether you like it or not...it just happens. Paradoxically this "suffering" causes a greater sense of stability; hence less "suffering". In this manner suffering takes on a more meaningful role while fundamentally being transformed into something of value rather than "pointless". This absence of meaningful suffering leads to the inherent nihilistic state we see increase in 1st world countries which in turn is reflected in this "lack of growing up" (of both sexes) where the technology acts as a "womb" we are unable to birther ourselves out of (see "yani worship/nihilism thread") which further multiplies to not just further relational difficulties but the general identity crisis we see in first world countries (I mean "crisis" not in the strict straight/gay/whatever manner only but the basic means of a man's/woman's/child's role in society). Sacrifice has not only an inherent bonding element to it but fundamentally one of identity as well. This bonding is necessary, not just for empirical survival, but intuitively as well where a sense of felt "connection" creates a necessary moral bond which fundamentally lessens vice in one manner or another as each person become an extension of the other's identity hence self-preservation instinct. And I will stop here... Normal people would rather not be bothered with obsolete chores in order to get something useful or pleasurable done. So this connection to naturally undesirable processes misses the point. A lumberjack is not going to chop down a tree for the pleasure of the chopping. There is something wrong with him if he needs to get a sense of self-identity from how closely the chopping itself affects him. Obsolete is a relative word...hand held controllers for video games/social media are obsolete at one point or another with the nature of "obsolete" fundamentally being an assumption about the nature of luxury and the condition of existence itself.
The question of pleasure is a question of loss of self. We derive pleasure from that which enables us to forget and lose ourself in the moment. In these respects it is a question of attitude and fundamentally within the nature of the observer himself. Because pleasure is grounded in how we percieve, it is inherent within the nature of assumption itself considering this "assumption", or how we recieve and/or project upon reality, is the underlying cause of pleasure when cycling back to the point of "forgetting/Losing self" as primary for pleasure.
The question of work has an underlying quality of pleasure in these regards considering it is grounded in this nature of assuming. We recieve/project the act of "working" for what it is and our ability to being intertwined within it (lose oneself or "challenged") is grounded in our satisfaction. A lumber jack would chopped down a tree for the pleasure of it considering this work is how he "assumes" reality with this "assuming" being the ability to project/recieve into it.
Work as an assumptive process is inherently grounded within the nature of the individuals identity, and while job of lumberjack is the example given, it applies to all other types of work as well.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 15, 2019 19:12:52 GMT
Who Is Chasing Us Away?Normal people would rather not be bothered with obsolete chores in order to get something useful or pleasurable done. So this connection to naturally undesirable processes misses the point. A lumberjack is not going to chop down a tree for the pleasure of the chopping. There is something wrong with him if he needs to get a sense of self-identity from how closely the chopping itself affects him. Obsolete is a relative word...hand held controllers for video games/social media are obsolete at one point or another with the nature of "obsolete" fundamentally being an assumption about the nature of luxury and the condition of existence itself.
The question of pleasure is a question of loss of self. We derive pleasure from that which enables us to forget and lose ourself in the moment. In these respects it is a question of attitude and fundamentally within the nature of the observer himself. Because pleasure is grounded in how we percieve, it is inherent within the nature of assumption itself considering this "assumption", or how we recieve and/or project upon reality, is the underlying cause of pleasure when cycling back to the point of "forgetting/Losing self" as primary for pleasure.
The question of work has an underlying quality of pleasure in these regards considering it is grounded in this nature of assuming. We recieve/project the act of "working" for what it is and our ability to being intertwined within it (lose oneself or "challenged") is grounded in our satisfaction. A lumber jack would chopped down a tree for the pleasure of it considering this work is how he "assumes" reality with this "assuming" being the ability to project/recieve into it.
Work as an assumptive process is inherently grounded within the nature of the individuals identity, and while job of lumberjack is the example given, it applies to all other types of work as well.
Plutocratic parasites make their money off suckers who are willing to work for its own sake. The most exploited of all are High IQs who become gutless, childish, and escapist nerds doing "science for its own sake" and becoming Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys whenever they let a Low-IQ economic bully gets practically all the reward from their inventions. Before they unionized and got paid as much as a thousand times what they got before, pro athletes were expected to play for the "love of the game." Don't ever listen to the self-serving ideas of anyone with the power to make them accepted solely through frequency and loudness. |
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 17, 2019 14:38:15 GMT
Obsolete is a relative word...hand held controllers for video games/social media are obsolete at one point or another with the nature of "obsolete" fundamentally being an assumption about the nature of luxury and the condition of existence itself.
The question of pleasure is a question of loss of self. We derive pleasure from that which enables us to forget and lose ourself in the moment. In these respects it is a question of attitude and fundamentally within the nature of the observer himself. Because pleasure is grounded in how we percieve, it is inherent within the nature of assumption itself considering this "assumption", or how we recieve and/or project upon reality, is the underlying cause of pleasure when cycling back to the point of "forgetting/Losing self" as primary for pleasure.
The question of work has an underlying quality of pleasure in these regards considering it is grounded in this nature of assuming. We recieve/project the act of "working" for what it is and our ability to being intertwined within it (lose oneself or "challenged") is grounded in our satisfaction. A lumber jack would chopped down a tree for the pleasure of it considering this work is how he "assumes" reality with this "assuming" being the ability to project/recieve into it.
Work as an assumptive process is inherently grounded within the nature of the individuals identity, and while job of lumberjack is the example given, it applies to all other types of work as well.
Plutocratic parasites make their money off suckers who are willing to work for its own sake. The most exploited of all are High IQs who become gutless, childish, and escapist nerds doing "science for its own sake" and becoming Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys whenever they let a Low-IQ economic bully gets practically all the reward from their inventions. Before they unionized and got paid as much as a thousand times what they got before, pro athletes were expected to play for the "love of the game." Don't ever listen to the self-serving ideas of anyone with the power to make them accepted solely through frequency and loudness. What the fuck are you talking about... |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 17, 2019 17:46:16 GMT
A-Students Must Become Alpha Males; Nerds Should Kill ThemselvesPlutocratic parasites make their money off suckers who are willing to work for its own sake. The most exploited of all are High IQs who become gutless, childish, and escapist nerds doing "science for its own sake" and becoming Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys whenever they let a Low-IQ economic bully gets practically all the reward from their inventions. Before they unionized and got paid as much as a thousand times what they got before, pro athletes were expected to play for the "love of the game." Don't ever listen to the self-serving ideas of anyone with the power to make them accepted solely through frequency and loudness. What the fuck are you talking about... Typical Netwit poster trick. If some idea doesn't fit in with what birdbrains are trained to mindlessly repeat by their teachers and broadcasters, you get scared and run away from making the least effort to comprehend it. Originality is the only thing not allowed on this spider-man Whirled Wad of Web. |
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