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Post by Lone Wanderer on Mar 15, 2019 4:28:29 GMT
The Christchurch mosque shootings occurred on 15 March 2019 at 13:40 NZDT (00:40 UTC) when multiple people were shot at the Al Noor and Linwood mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. The perpetrator of one of the attacks is described as 28-year old Australia-born Brenton Tarrant, though it is reported that there are more shooters involved. Eyewitnesses reported several people have been killed although this is yet to be confirmed by the police while estimates range from nine to twenty-seven killed. There were also reports of a bomb being found in a crashed car on Strickland Street. This is the first mass shooting in New Zealand since the 1990 Aramoana massacre. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
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Post by karl on Mar 16, 2019 6:09:29 GMT
one of my friend lost her brother in this attack
May he rest in peace. And may such an atrocity not happen again.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 16, 2019 16:00:17 GMT
How does this man think spending his life in jail now is smart? Like if you choose to be racist and dumb then keep it to yourself so you don't show the dumbness off and end up in jail like he did. He is very unwise.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Mar 16, 2019 20:29:53 GMT
Long time no see, wuzzup? Eh nothing much. Life turned from easy difficulty to hard difficulty when the exams started to roll around (partly why I stopped going on Arktos). Anyway, what happened in New Zealand was a tragedy and I hope it doesn't happen again.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 16, 2019 21:27:07 GMT
Long time no see, wuzzup? Eh nothing much. Life turned from easy difficulty to hard difficulty when the exams started to roll around (partly why I stopped going on Arktos). Anyway, what happened in New Zealand was a tragedy and I hope it doesn't happen again. I hope so too. The world doesn't need more tragedies. Did your exams go well?
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Post by jonbain on Mar 16, 2019 21:58:40 GMT
While I obviously do not condone this action, this is a direct result of globalist politicians pushing unfettered third-world immigration against the wishes of their own constituents. People everywhere are sick of so many immigrants and refugees that are changing their nations and yet their elected officials are not listening. This is the result of politicians not listening to their citizens. This a result of forced multiculturalism between two cultures that are incompatible. What surprised me is this happened in a place like New Zealand where there isn’t a big Muslim population. I’d expect something like this to happen somewhere like Germany, Sweden, or even England. But it appears this individual did not do it because of what was happening exclusively or specifically in New Zealand but in retaliation for things that happen all over. In his manifesto he called the Muslims invaders. Imagine the reaction if a white Pagan or Christian groups tried to start opening religious buildings across Saudi Arabia in significant numbers. They'd be attacked immediately and without mercy. So why would they expect nothing to happen when they infiltrate our lands to proselytize and enact policy that harms us? Of course there are going to be people who self radicalize to combat something they see as a threat to them, their people, their country, and their way of life when their government isn’t protecting them. It is part of a never ending cycle. 91% of terrorist attacks in Europe are done by Muslims. Christians being killed in large numbers are given little press. The mass rapes and crimes against whites in Europe as a result of third world migration on a constant basis isn’t juicy enough for the mainstream media to cover but when whites start playing tit for tat it’s all over the place. In the last 30 days there have been 122 Islamic terrorist attacks in 21 countries in which 859 people were killed and 844 people were injured. Yet that hasn’t touched on much at all in mainstream news. Drones all over the middle-east killing people, dude, time to take off that ridiculous mask. Missiles, wars, murders everywhere. People make excuses for why they go crazy, but the real reasons are just population pressure and the legacy of previous conficts. Don't forget the countless millions dead in ww2 just a generation ago. All sorts of nationalist and ethnic excuses for that as well. Humanity has the capacity to actually migrate to the stars, but are too egotistical to do anything for the common long-term good.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 17, 2019 4:37:19 GMT
This is ridiculous. Sounds as bad as a person I know who believe in these ridiculous conspiracy theories. People like you are the problem. Instead of empathizing with the 49 dead and the grief of their families, you've destroyed any potential sensible comment with discussing immigration. The people are dead because a white supremacist terrorist decide to go in a place of worship and kill people. Immigration regardless what side you're on, is not a justifiable reason to kill people. New Zealand was getting along just fine before this attack so false just more fear mongering and Islamophobia rhetoric. He did it because he is a white supremacist coward. Hmmm considering Europeans aren't native to the colonies and countries they inhabit like Australia, New Zealand, and the North and South American continents sounds like pot meet kettle. Your rhetoric is sounding a lot like the White Nationalist rhetoric this man was operating off of. You started your post with You obviously mimic white nationalism and its rhetoric, which lead to the cause of this murder. Apparently you willfully overlook the dangerous of your philosophy www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/16/18268856/new-zealand-shooter-white-nationalism-united-states
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Post by AmericanCharm on Mar 17, 2019 6:48:40 GMT
While I obviously do not condone this action, this is a direct result of globalist politicians pushing unfettered third-world immigration against the wishes of their own constituents. People everywhere are sick of so many immigrants and refugees that are changing their nations and yet their elected officials are not listening. This is the result of politicians not listening to their citizens. This a result of forced multiculturalism between two cultures that are incompatible. What surprised me is this happened in a place like New Zealand where there isn’t a big Muslim population. I’d expect something like this to happen somewhere like Germany, Sweden, or even England. But it appears this individual did not do it because of what was happening exclusively or specifically in New Zealand but in retaliation for things that happen all over. In his manifesto he called the Muslims invaders. Imagine the reaction if a white Pagan or Christian groups tried to start opening religious buildings across Saudi Arabia in significant numbers. They'd be attacked immediately and without mercy. So why would they expect nothing to happen when they infiltrate our lands to proselytize and enact policy that harms us? Of course there are going to be people who self radicalize to combat something they see as a threat to them, their people, their country, and their way of life when their government isn’t protecting them. It is part of a never ending cycle. 91% of terrorist attacks in Europe are done by Muslims. Christians being killed in large numbers are given little press. The mass rapes and crimes against whites in Europe as a result of third world migration on a constant basis isn’t juicy enough for the mainstream media to cover but when whites start playing tit for tat it’s all over the place. In the last 30 days there have been 122 Islamic terrorist attacks in 21 countries in which 859 people were killed and 844 people were injured. Yet that hasn’t touched on much at all in mainstream news. Drones all over the middle-east killing people, dude, time to take off that ridiculous mask. Missiles, wars, murders everywhere. People make excuses for why they go crazy, but the real reasons are just population pressure and the legacy of previous conficts. Don't forget the countless millions dead in ww2 just a generation ago. All sorts of nationalist and ethnic excuses for that as well. Humanity has the capacity to actually migrate to the stars, but are too egotistical to do anything for the common long-term good. America’s foreign policy in The Middle East has been bad, I have always held that opinion. However Sweden, Germany, France, Belgium haven’t bombed anybody but they are still being targeted by these predatory migrants. Every Islamic Apologist brings up U.S foreign policy whenever Islam is criticized. This is religion founded 1000 years before the US was founded. The problems with Islam as an ideology and a system of ethics were well established before the United States came along. Look into the invasions of Spain, Portugal, Sicily, India, North Africa and the Barbary coast pirates. Look into America’s first contact with them when they terrorized U.S merchant ships and attempted to extort the government. Thomas Jefferson luckily took care of this problem. Much of these indecents are driven by the concept of jihad which is basically imperialism with a religious purpose. This shouldn’t come as a surprise either as the religion was started by a 7th century warlord. Migration is a normal human pattern but when that migration is a type of people with a hostile or incompatible ideology coming into occupied lands there will be inventible bloodshed if not genocide. Just think when Islamic Moorish Berbers attempted to invade Europe and actually successfully invaded Sicily, Southern Italy, Spain, Portugal, for a short time before being driven out by The Norman’s in 1061. Or the colonization of The Americas which resulted in the genocide of Amerindians. Or Genghis Khan killing 10% of the worlds population. The natural order and design of a people is having their own identity, their own nation within their boundaries.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Mar 17, 2019 8:56:09 GMT
This is ridiculous. Sounds as bad as a person I know who believe in these ridiculous conspiracy theories. People like you are the problem. Instead of empathizing with the 49 dead and the grief of their families, you've destroyed any potential sensible comment with discussing immigration. The people are dead because a white supremacist terrorist decide to go in a place of worship and kill people. Immigration regardless what side you're on, is not a justifiable reason to kill people. New Zealand was getting along just fine before this attack so false just more fear mongering and Islamophobia rhetoric. He did it because he is a white supremacist coward. Hmmm considering Europeans aren't native to the colonies and countries they inhabit like Australia, New Zealand, and the North and South American continents sounds like pot meet kettle. Your rhetoric is sounding a lot like the White Nationalist rhetoric this man was operating off of. You started your post with You obviously mimic white nationalism and its rhetoric, which lead to the cause of this murder. Apparently you willfully overlook the dangerous of your philosophy www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/16/18268856/new-zealand-shooter-white-nationalism-united-statesIt’s absolutely not a conspiracy theory. Europe has experienced a record influx of asylum seekers fleeing conflicts in Syria and other predominantly Muslim countries. The Muslims are outbreeding Europeans in the nation’s that have accepted significant numbers of them. For one example Sweden’s population was 8% Muslim in 2016 and could grow to 31% Muslim in the high scenario by 2050 and if the migration was put to a stop it would increase to 11% by the same time. Countries like Spain, England, Germany, France, and Belgium are in very similar situations. When you have people that are having a low birth rate epidemic in their respective countries across the world due to third wave feminism and careerism. Sending migrants from a different racial background with high birth rates into their respective countries is actually a form of demographic replacement. So no, it’s not a conspiracy theory. This is being allowed to happen because of Globalist politicians. People are frustrated at having our governments use our tax dollars to fund programs that literally displace and replace our people in our own home nations. Islamic immigration has caused many problems throughout Europe countries. Simply it doesn’t benefit the U.S, Europe or most of Asia to take in these people. Addressing your second point as I said I don’t condone this type of action at all. People like him only harm the causes they claim to serve. Domestic terrorism gets people and causes nowhere. I was simply pointing out that it’s a never ending cycle. These radical Islamists want to kill because xyz, these radical racial supremacists want to kill because reasons xyz, and then you have a tit for tit situation where people are killing each other because they are being killed by the other. We have seen this so many times throughout history. Because of the current situation and because of immigration policies people feel threatened. When people feel threatened there will inevitably be radicals lashing out. You essentially have people who think the only way to stop the religion that was spread by the sword is by using the sword. New Zealand it’s self wasn’t in any specific danger of invasion as I mentioned Muslims are about 1% of the country or something minuscule but the same can’t be said for the European countries I mentioned. As the Islamic presence grows the more these nations change religiously, racially, culturally, and socially. He just happened to be in New Zealand at the time and said something along the lines of it sending a message something like that could happen in such a minor nation. Most people demonstrate a clear preference for ‘homophily’, which is the tendency of people to prefer the company of others who are most like themselves when entirely left to their own devices. One of the reasons the countries of Northeastern Asia are so successful is that they have great social trust and cohesion, aided primarily because everyone shares the same ethnic heritage, speaks the same language, and shares the same culture, values, and traditions. On the other hand, the rampant multiculturalism occurring in North America and Europe is leading to increasing social strife and discord, sometimes culminating in instances of mass violence. It’s true whites are native to those lands you mentioned. Amerindians/Aboriginals didn't have border security or a vetting processes, and were virtually wiped out because of it. I wouldn’t care to follow their lead. If people have the ability and intelligence to protect their nations from invasion or replacement they should do so. You can miss me with the “white nationalist” social shaming tactic. My views are Nationalistic/Identitarian and Folkish. I believe in patriotism, borders, and I believe every race and ethnicity has a right to a culture, and homeland. From a general continental scale, to a specific country scale. You want Islam? You can have it in the Middle East. You want Sharia councils and tribunals? Keep them in The Middle East and out of England.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 17, 2019 18:53:19 GMT
Very different from saying these people are "invading." I believe the natural state of any human being is the will to continue to exist by any means necessary.
Breeding huh? Is this another white supremacist talking point? It is not their fault that European whites aren't procreating, perhaps instead of focusing on the interactions of other people, you need to focus on yourself.
This is not the immigrants fault.
You're blaming feminism for low birth rate? What does feminism have to do with this? Again, having a low birth rate is not the fault of the migrants.
If white people are afraid of being "displaced" from their homeland due to their inability to procreate on a faster level, they are free to leave elsewhere. Again, it is not the immigrants fault they are more sexually active than the people in their host country. But it is immoral at least from a human perspective that we do not help our fellow human being whether we can do it in their country or our own. Again, the natural right for any sentient being is a right to life. The natural state of a human being is to exist, this is evident from the many biological systems in our very own bodies. I find it ironic that you mention the word "displace" considering Europeans have been displacing indigenous people from different countries for centuries both violently and through other means of exploitation. Oh how the chickens come home to roost.
There is no such thing as "Islamic immigration" as immigration is not a creed in the Islamic faith.
Yes, of course you don't.
Yes, I've heard this type of rhetoric from David Duke. Violence of this kind in the name of white nationalism/supremacy gives this ideology attention from the law, and creates a black eye in the organization. It also puts you in attention to the public that was once focused on extremists in the Islamic faith. So now that the world draws away its attention from Muslims it's focusing on dangerous white nationalists targeting "soft targets" like Holy sites and countries with no track record of widespread violence. You're right, if I believed in white nationalist ideology I too, would not condone this violence.
And what does this have to do with the Muslims who died? What about the other innocent Muslims who die by White Nationalists? White Nationalism from extreme right-wing statistically are more dangerous than Islamic extremism. White Nationalists are everywhere including in the U.S. military as one Coast Guard was busted for plotting to kill some politicians. White Western Colonialism historically has amounted to the murders of millions of people, far more than any Muslim extremists of today and of the past. According to the New York times:
"White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since Sept. 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist. The Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism has reported that 71 percent of the extremist-related fatalities in the United States between 2008 and 2017 were committed by members of the far right or white-supremacist movements. Islamic extremists were responsible for just 26 percent. Data compiled by the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database shows that the number of terror-related incidents has more than tripled in the United States since 2013, and the number of those killed has quadrupled. In 2017, there were 65 incidents totaling 95 deaths. In a recent analysis of the data by the news site Quartz, roughly 60 percent of those incidents were driven by racist, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, antigovernment or other right-wing ideologies. Left-wing ideologies, like radical environmentalism, were responsible for 11 attacks. Muslim extremists committed just seven attacks." (Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/magazine/FBI-charlottesville-white-nationalism-far-right.html_
The article also continues:
"These statistics belie the strident rhetoric around “foreign-born” terrorists that the Trump administration has used to drive its anti-immigration agenda. They also raise questions about the United States’ counterterrorism strategy, which for nearly two decades has been focused almost exclusively on American and foreign-born jihadists, overshadowing right-wing extremism as a legitimate national-security threat. According to a recent report by the nonpartisan Stimson Center, between 2002 and 2017, the United States spent $2.8 trillion — 15 percent of discretionary spending — on counterterrorism. Terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists killed 100 people in the United States during that time. Between 2008 and 2017, domestic extremists killed 387 in the United States, according to the 2018 Anti-Defamation League report."
You don't condone killing, but people of your ideology kill more people than terrorists statistically. That means I'm more danger in being killed by a white man with right-wing ideology than I am of a Muslim extremist.
Yes, low birth rates will do that to people.
But that is a misnomer. One, during Muhammad's time Islam was not spread by the sword. Many battles that were fought were due to the pursuit of the polytheist tribe in Medina that pursued Muhammad and Muslims who migrated from Mecca to Medina. Now, after his death of course there were political wars that many Muslim dynasties had that indeed were seen as expanding the cause but that is another discussion for another thread. Islam historically, was no more violent than Christianity and Judaism. Christians killed, and continue to kill many innocents in the name of religion and other reasons. Salem Witch Trials, Slavery, King Leopold II, all used religion as a tool to cause harm to other human beings, what say you about that? These fears you're listing are the same fears that right-wing nationalists promote, it is a common talking point.
Then why mention Muslims "invading" to begin with? Again, these fear mongering tactics you use and what right wing use may work on the stupid, but not those of us with some education.
Nothing wrong with multiculturalism. You're upset because again as you've mentioned, low birth rates, white identity at risk of being a minority in the United States and in "European white countries" not our fault that your way of life is changing. Long after you and I are dead, so-called white identity will be a minority and this planet will be a mixed bag of human beings from different cultures and communities, as God had intended. Hopefully in the future, humanity will be blended as one true culture, as one true species and that hopefully cultural lines will be blurred. I know you fear that, but that is the inevitability of human procreation and smaller spaces.
Are or aren't? Because certainly whites aren't native to North America or South America or Central America nor Africa, nor any continent where there were people of color. If you subscribe to the "Out of Africa" theory, your ancient ancestors black people were mostly across this planet, but of course evolution played its part in the changing of the phenotype, culture, language etc So when I mention white Europeans I'm referring to those colonialists not being indigenous to lands that were occupied by homogenous tribes of people of color, Aboriginals, Native-Americans, Pacific-Islanders etc.
Show me research on this. Show me statistical peer reviewed research that this is true. As a researcher myself I want to read material that substantiates this claim. Or do you concede that this is conjecture on your part?
North Eastern Asia, you mean China? Homogeneity is not the root cause for their success, that is false. The root cause for their success is political, social, and economic cohesion of the people and their pursuit for technological advancements. A continent like Africa, for example with its resources combined accounts for the most wealth on this planet, but due to centuries of exploitation and systemic abuse cause by European colonialist, none of the indigenous people were able to reap the benefits. Places like Haiti, Cuba, North, Central and South America were in abused colonial systems. If people left each other alone and there were no European colonialism, I believe the world would look very different. Now I could go on and speculate as to what these differences entail but the point is, people would have evolved on their own and on their own terms.
Funny, the very people who tout those idealistic beliefs are the same people historically have robbed other people of their culture, and identity. It is not shaming, it is facts. You talk so much about culture and maintaining an identity when people of your group have had a history of robbing others of their culture and identity. I see all of this as God's way of "paying it forward" the only difference is, now its not done using violence, manipulation and slavery.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 17, 2019 19:10:17 GMT
What is Jihad?
"The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important. The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
What Jihad is not
Jihad is not a violent concept. Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims. Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam. Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications."
Source:http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9
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Post by AmericanCharm on Mar 18, 2019 3:00:25 GMT
Very different from saying these people are "invading." I believe the natural state of any human being is the will to continue to exist by any means necessary. Breeding huh? Is this another white supremacist talking point? It is not their fault that European whites aren't procreating, perhaps instead of focusing on the interactions of other people, you need to focus on yourself. This is not the immigrants fault. You're blaming feminism for low birth rate? What does feminism have to do with this? Again, having a low birth rate is not the fault of the migrants. If white people are afraid of being "displaced" from their homeland due to their inability to procreate on a faster level, they are free to leave elsewhere. Again, it is not the immigrants fault they are more sexually active than the people in their host country. But it is immoral at least from a human perspective that we do not help our fellow human being whether we can do it in their country or our own. Again, the natural right for any sentient being is a right to life. The natural state of a human being is to exist, this is evident from the many biological systems in our very own bodies. I find it ironic that you mention the word "displace" considering Europeans have been displacing indigenous people from different countries for centuries both violently and through other means of exploitation. Oh how the chickens come home to roost. There is no such thing as "Islamic immigration" as immigration is not a creed in the Islamic faith. Yes, of course you don't. Yes, I've heard this type of rhetoric from David Duke. Violence of this kind in the name of white nationalism/supremacy gives this ideology attention from the law, and creates a black eye in the organization. It also puts you in attention to the public that was once focused on extremists in the Islamic faith. So now that the world draws away its attention from Muslims it's focusing on dangerous white nationalists targeting "soft targets" like Holy sites and countries with no track record of widespread violence. You're right, if I believed in white nationalist ideology I too, would not condone this violence. And what does this have to do with the Muslims who died? What about the other innocent Muslims who die by White Nationalists? White Nationalism from extreme right-wing statistically are more dangerous than Islamic extremism. White Nationalists are everywhere including in the U.S. military as one Coast Guard was busted for plotting to kill some politicians. White Western Colonialism historically has amounted to the murders of millions of people, far more than any Muslim extremists of today and of the past. According to the New York times: " White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since Sept. 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist. The Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism has reported that 71 percent of the extremist-related fatalities in the United States between 2008 and 2017 were committed by members of the far right or white-supremacist movements. Islamic extremists were responsible for just 26 percent. Data compiled by the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database shows that the number of terror-related incidents has more than tripled in the United States since 2013, and the number of those killed has quadrupled. In 2017, there were 65 incidents totaling 95 deaths. In a recent analysis of the data by the news site Quartz, roughly 60 percent of those incidents were driven by racist, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, antigovernment or other right-wing ideologies. Left-wing ideologies, like radical environmentalism, were responsible for 11 attacks. Muslim extremists committed just seven attacks." (Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/magazine/FBI-charlottesville-white-nationalism-far-right.html_ The article also continues: " These statistics belie the strident rhetoric around “foreign-born” terrorists that the Trump administration has used to drive its anti-immigration agenda. They also raise questions about the United States’ counterterrorism strategy, which for nearly two decades has been focused almost exclusively on American and foreign-born jihadists, overshadowing right-wing extremism as a legitimate national-security threat. According to a recent report by the nonpartisan Stimson Center, between 2002 and 2017, the United States spent $2.8 trillion — 15 percent of discretionary spending — on counterterrorism. Terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists killed 100 people in the United States during that time. Between 2008 and 2017, domestic extremists killed 387 in the United States, according to the 2018 Anti-Defamation League report." You don't condone killing, but people of your ideology kill more people than terrorists statistically. That means I'm more danger in being killed by a white man with right-wing ideology than I am of a Muslim extremist. Yes, low birth rates will do that to people. But that is a misnomer. One, during Muhammad's time Islam was not spread by the sword. Many battles that were fought were due to the pursuit of the polytheist tribe in Medina that pursued Muhammad and Muslims who migrated from Mecca to Medina. Now, after his death of course there were political wars that many Muslim dynasties had that indeed were seen as expanding the cause but that is another discussion for another thread. Islam historically, was no more violent than Christianity and Judaism. Christians killed, and continue to kill many innocents in the name of religion and other reasons. Salem Witch Trials, Slavery, King Leopold II, all used religion as a tool to cause harm to other human beings, what say you about that? These fears you're listing are the same fears that right-wing nationalists promote, it is a common talking point. Then why mention Muslims "invading" to begin with? Again, these fear mongering tactics you use and what right wing use may work on the stupid, but not those of us with some education. Nothing wrong with multiculturalism. You're upset because again as you've mentioned, low birth rates, white identity at risk of being a minority in the United States and in "European white countries" not our fault that your way of life is changing. Long after you and I are dead, so-called white identity will be a minority and this planet will be a mixed bag of human beings from different cultures and communities, as God had intended. Hopefully in the future, humanity will be blended as one true culture, as one true species and that hopefully cultural lines will be blurred. I know you fear that, but that is the inevitability of human procreation and smaller spaces. Are or aren't? Because certainly whites aren't native to North America or South America or Central America nor Africa, nor any continent where there were people of color. If you subscribe to the "Out of Africa" theory, your ancient ancestors black people were mostly across this planet, but of course evolution played its part in the changing of the phenotype, culture, language etc So when I mention white Europeans I'm referring to those colonialists not being indigenous to lands that were occupied by homogenous tribes of people of color, Aboriginals, Native-Americans, Pacific-Islanders etc. Show me research on this. Show me statistical peer reviewed research that this is true. As a researcher myself I want to read material that substantiates this claim. Or do you concede that this is conjecture on your part? North Eastern Asia, you mean China? Homogeneity is not the root cause for their success, that is false. The root cause for their success is political, social, and economic cohesion of the people and their pursuit for technological advancements. A continent like Africa, for example with its resources combined accounts for the most wealth on this planet, but due to centuries of exploitation and systemic abuse cause by European colonialist, none of the indigenous people were able to reap the benefits. Places like Haiti, Cuba, North, Central and South America were in abused colonial systems. If people left each other alone and there were no European colonialism, I believe the world would look very different. Now I could go on and speculate as to what these differences entail but the point is, people would have evolved on their own and on their own terms. Funny, the very people who tout those idealistic beliefs are the same people historically have robbed other people of their culture, and identity. It is not shaming, it is facts. You talk so much about culture and maintaining an identity when people of your group have had a history of robbing others of their culture and identity. I see all of this as God's way of "paying it forward" the only difference is, now its not done using violence, manipulation and slavery. I read your exchanges with Clovis and DK in the thread “why are whites considered elite”. You are simply nothing more than an anti-white liberal who will blame whites if it rains on your birthday. See two can play the labels game. I’ve had discussions with people like you countless times and they differ very little. Nothing I say will get through to you because you don’t care about what happens to white people in white nations. You will argue about literally any point made no matter what and will go back on fourth exhausting people with your persistence. You’ll introduce another debate topic instead of focusing on the original topic. I don’t have the time or motivation to write you a book. Also yes, you’ll have to forgive those couple spelling errors. Hopefully it didn’t cause too much confusion. When comparing the instances of right-wing terrorism compared to Islamic terrorism you have to consider the amount of white people in America compared to the amount of Muslims. A government report showed that from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016, there were 85 deadly attacks in the United States by violent extremists. Most of the attacks were carried out by far-right violent extremists. But more people died during attacks connected with Islamic jihadist extremists. The 9/11 terrorist attacks resulted in the largest number of deaths in the United States caused by violent extremism, the GAO report said. About 3,000 people were killed in the attacks. Since then from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016 there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database. Of those 225 deaths: • 106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents; • 119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents • The number of people killed in a given year ranged from one to 49. In the last three years those statistics may have changed a bit, I’m not sure. Right-wing terrorists may have jumped ahead in deaths as well. However White people are 60% of the population (72% if you include white Hispanics) where as Muslims are 1% so whites would have to commit 60x more instances of attacks than Muslims to even be comparable percentage wise. Only a small percentage of Islamic radicals are going out and committing terrorist attacks and with whites it’s MUCH smaller. If you look at global terrorism Islam is far worse. In the case with Europe where Muslims make up larger numbers percentage wise than they do in the U.S in the countries I’ve mentioned and make up the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe. Islam is at odds with people everywhere. Buddhists are fighting Muslims in Tibet and Hindus are fighting Muslims in India. Almost every culture is battling Islam all around the world. That is why the Dalai Lama said the refugees need to go back. Radical Islam is a global threat. The migrants coming to European territories isn’t solely their fault. It’s the mainly the fault of the politicians allowing them to come into European lands, bad foreign policy, and Saudi Arabia not taking them in. I do believe third wave feminism is partly to blame because more women chose to work then to become homemakers and have children. This directly ties into careerism which not only effects certain European countries but also Japan who only have one child per household. However times are different now and many households cant survive off of one income. But since the European nations that accept these migrants receive the semi-literate, poor, and refugee parts of the populations these individuals are arriving out of need and desperation rather than bringing value. The goal of these people tends to be the social services and health services. They have a disproportionate amount of unemployment which has lead to many countries having their tax dollars go into supporting them long term. This is part of what allows migrants to have more children. Sweden for example had to significantly raise their retirement age. Sweden also now has the second highest rapes in the world behind South Africa. There are now Sharia councils and tribunals in Britain, grooming gangs in Britain, acid attacks, terrorist attacks, Paris doesn’t resemble its old self, etc. European births need to be encouraged and non-native european births discouraged. Europe needs to stop taxing hard working families to fund welfare programs. They need to fix the laws and court system to make marriage and fatherhood less of a raw deal for men. Finally they need deport H1-B tech workers, engineers, scientists. As they undermine salaries here, and send their middle class money to their upper class families in other countries, reducing the middle class everywhere. Christians were never nearly as intolerant as even modern day Muslims. Christianity spread and was accepted peacefully through simple word of mouth in the very beginning by people like Peter and Paul. Certainly there was some violence through Christian history but nothing compared to Islam. Of course Muhammad and his followers also spread their religion through word of mouth early on but the Muslims quickly became violent. In the early 7th century, right after Islam was founded, they were already attacking and conquering Christian lands. Most violence that people associate with Christianity revolves around the Crusades which were retaliatory engagements after centuries (literal centuries, the Muslims conquered the Christian Levant in the 630s) of attacks by Muslims against Christians. By the way I am an Agnostic-Atheist so I have no reason to have a positive bias towards Christianity. I have my own issues with Christianity, nearly as many as I do with Islam. You admitted you look forward to a future where everyone in mixed. You see it as karma for white demographics to decrease or even die out. You look forward to a future where there is no white race. You look forward to a future where people are mixed into a brown paste of confused people with no culture and history. This "race is unimportant, let’s all mix into a gray world” attitude is at odds with history and biology and a consequence of a deliberate campaign to gaslight Whites. Because when people mix they usually identify with the non white part of their blood no matter what country they are from aside from some Latin American countries where a lot of them feel inferior for having Amerindian blood and like to look as European as possible. By Northeastern Asia I meant Japan, China, and South Korea. I did not say the homogeneity was the sole purpose for their success but rather one of them, and one of the more important factors along with a high average IQ. Multiculturalism has clearly failed as it gives nothing but excuses and idealism of victimhood to escape any sense of accountability in society. Societies cohesive fabric has been disrupted by the concept. Clearly multiculturalism has destroyed the idea of national unity and our sense of identity. One clear example of homophily is churches, 85-95% of churches are 80-90% one race, many are 100% one race. That is because churches are among the few institutions in America that the government hasn’t tried to forcibly to integrate. It’s proof that when people are free to entirely choose their own associates the prefer to be with people like themselves. You won’t hear me defending colonialism or Imperialism. I’ve always taken a strong stance against that. It’s part of why I admire people who stood up to that line of thinking. People like Che Guevara for example. I am one of the few people on the right that can appreciate some of what he stood for. However you can talk about the deaths at the hands of white colonialism but Islam has massacred over 600 million non-Muslims since 622 AD. By the way I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but the the plague wiped out 1/3rd of Europe, yet Europe still recovered. We were sent to fight endless wars, colonized by our own, and turned into serfs. Parts of Europe were invaded by foreign enemies in the past, but we took them back. Some territories may end up lost, but it’s only temporary. Europeans upon learning they are in danger will not be allow themselves to be displaced. The past has shown that historic awakenings happen slowly. But more people are waking up. However I do not wish for violent conflicts. I also find it humorous that you list your hero as Genghis Kahn who was a marauding, raping, warlord who killed 10% of the world’s population yet love to harp on European colonialism.
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anaxagoras
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 18, 2019 3:51:20 GMT
Most of you guys are between the ages of 22-26 years old. you called me an "anti-white" liberal because I do not believe in that bullshit post you just wrote nor am I going to let some of you fear monger? I've been in enough academic debates alone to know majority of you arguing these points are very young minded and ill prepared to debate. For example you AmericanCharm posted stats with no source where I can verify. It let's me know in a debate you're not prepared to substantiate your claim. These are things you learn in college. You learn to post sources so it can be checked. I'm not going to sit here and debate that long ass book of yours. If it was worth debating you I would take the time but it's not.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 18, 2019 3:59:47 GMT
Most of you guys are between the ages of 22-26 years old. you called me an "anti-white" liberal because I do not believe in that bullshit post you just wrote nor am I going to let some of you fear monger? I've been in enough academic debates alone to know majority of you arguing these points are very young minded and ill prepared to debate. For example you AmericanCharm posted stats with no source where I can verify. It let's me know in a debate you're not prepared to substantiate your claim. These are things you learn in college. You learn to post sources so it can be checked. I'm not going to sit here and debate that long ass book of yours. If it was worth debating you I would take the time but it's not. I think it's only 3 people in this thread who are that young. Lucky them.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Mar 18, 2019 4:23:58 GMT
What is Jihad?"The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. The arabic word for war is: "al-harb". In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam. If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted. Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment. In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important. The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam. What Jihad is notJihad is not a violent concept. Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims. Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam. Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications." Source:http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9 A person engaged in lesser jihad is called a mujahid (plural mujahideen). In the book “Reliance of the Traveller” it discusses the jihadists. It quotes the Koran 2:216, 4:89, 9:36. “Who is obliged to fight in Jihad”, “The objectives of Jihad”, “The rules of warfare”, “Spoils of Battle”. There are two types of jihad, lesser and greater is what I’ve heard them referred to as. Lesser jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada. It’s about signifying warfare to establish the religion. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why their Prophet said he was returning from lesser jihad to greater in the quote you mentioned. The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus is Koranic verses “Fighting is prescribed for you'' (Koran 2:216) “Slay them wherever you find them'' (Koran 4:89); “Fight the idolators utterly'' (Koran 9:36); As well as such hadiths said by their prophet “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them and their final reckoning is with Allah” If you study the behaviour of many Muslims in the West you will see very clearly that moderate Muslims have apostatized from the teachings of Muhammad and now live a watered down version of Islam, in the eyes of radical Muslims they have become Kafirs and apostates.
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 18, 2019 4:43:04 GMT
While I obviously do not condone this action, this is a direct result of globalist politicians pushing unfettered third-world immigration against the wishes of their own constituents. People everywhere are sick of so many immigrants and refugees that are changing their nations and yet their elected officials are not listening. This is the result of politicians not listening to their citizens. This a result of forced multiculturalism between two cultures that are incompatible. You mean liberal degeneracy and Islam? So this guy was defending liberal degeneracy from Islam? You couldn't possibly mean traditional European culture because that is dead dead dead. While I think whites have a right to preserve their race, I truly feel sorry for white nationalists because they are so stupid. Islam is not the enemy. Varg at least has the brains to see this: I talked about white nationalism at my mosque yesterday. They have no problem with white nationalism. They would welcome white nationalists in Islam as long as they don't consider whites superior, just different. They have no problem with whites who want preserve their race and want to live separately. In fact they mentioned that there are several Muslim tribes in the Arab world that do just that, avoiding intermarriage and keeping their own land. Sane white nationalists should realize that the only way to avoid liberal degeneracy is through religion, so they should pick one. Christianity is a horrible choice, a failed cucked religion. Only the Anabaptists have morals but they are pacifists, so they are doomed. The only two real options are Varg's paganism and Islam. I think a White Muslim movement would do well.
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