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Post by greatestiam on Feb 23, 2019 17:45:28 GMT
Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan?
I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do.
It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference.
Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,
called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions?
It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of people who never sinned.
On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief.
This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction?
Regards DL
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Post by jonbain on Apr 4, 2019 19:43:04 GMT
I have read your narrative. And with all due respect, you err in assuming you understand my position on these matters. Not that I really blame you, because most people do just read stories... I teach facts. You seem to think it is your perspective that matters. It does yes. But Mine is truth from those who created us. You are guessing when you trying to make it fit YOUR NARRATIVE! Ah! But it is you who is a-guessing as to what my narrative is! For you claim facts, but I teach method for devising facts objectively. Your claims are esoteric, not verifiable to the reader. And that method of logical-positivism which I use is simply that: internal logic to any claim is the first criterion of truth. So when I make points about cosmology based on computational algorithms, and the precision of Newtonian gravity as opposed to the blatant sophistry of Einstein's woeful attempts at reasoning; then any person that considers these issues with their full attention can see that they need to take very seriously my other more esoteric claims. Most specifically my communion with John the Baptist and also Jesus is the source of these truths. But to asses the validity of those claims you would first have to juxtapose the farce of the 2017 Nobel physics prize and its false claims to 'proving' Relativity and 'black-hole' mythology with this article: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/gravity/speed-of-gravity.htm(After reading this it should be clear that most of academia is the tool of Satan.)
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Post by greatestiam on Apr 6, 2019 15:32:06 GMT
jonbain
(After reading this it should be clear that most of academia is the tool of Satan.)
Are these your words?
Strange if facts are what you are into.
I have some slight interest in cosmology and may have stumped NASA with a question on where stars are.
Gravity alters the course of light waves and the light we see from the more distant stars have been perturbed by many gravity wells and that means that they have both an actual location and an apparent location. The apparent location is all we can gage and it is a false location and that means that the models of the universe NASA uses if completely false.
Regards DL
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Post by prophettom on May 24, 2019 21:28:18 GMT
It is interesting question. At the Judgment God spoke strong and full of power. Commanded your full attention. Than came his Devils to test his Judgment. They have been very verbal and influential. But so has God. So in the end it seems you have those who want peace and peaceful laws. Others think it can only be gained through brutality death and hell. So even those of a good faith and religion can find themselves following devils. If not following endorsing there lessons with the mouth.God has more power. He can be heard over all when he wants to. So can Devils. But Gods influence for me has been stronger than a Devils or a group of devils. Yes i have to deal with both single and groups of them. Both are strong. But God is stronger.
That sounds like a lot of lying about things you cannot possibly know. I am willing to give you a benefit of a doubt but you will have to show how you know what you put as a fact.
I hope you are not just quoting a lying preacher.
Regards DL
I am judged pure of heart and Chosen by the Spoken word of God. I actually do know. You just have not accepted that i actually walk with them. I do know because i am chosen.
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Post by Etu Malku on May 25, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
Satan is the guardian of a threshold, as Ayn al-Qozat explained, and a doorway is an isthmus, a space-between-worlds, an ambiguous and liminal no-place-place, a land of the imagination. In the West, only William Blake recognized the Devil as the imagination; in Sufism, this identity has been clear since at least the tenth century. There exists a Kurdish sect called Ahl-i Haqq (People of Truth) who practice an extreme form of Shi'ism, Sufism, Gnosticism, and Shamanism. Of the various subgroups, the Shaitan-Parastiyyan sect venerates the Abrahamic Satan. Here Satan is understood as the way of expression through the self, a projection of one's own spiritual imperfection.
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Post by prophettom on May 30, 2019 16:13:55 GMT
Satan is the guardian of a threshold, as Ayn al-Qozat explained, and a doorway is an isthmus, a space-between-worlds, an ambiguous and liminal no-place-place, a land of the imagination. In the West, only William Blake recognized the Devil as the imagination; in Sufism, this identity has been clear since at least the tenth century. There exists a Kurdish sect called Ahl-i Haqq (People of Truth) who practice an extreme form of Shi'ism, Sufism, Gnosticism, and Shamanism. Of the various subgroups, the Shaitan-Parastiyyan sect venerates the Abrahamic Satan. Here Satan is understood as the way of expression through the self, a projection of one's own spiritual imperfection. Good in theory but the reality is I met Satan in person as he tried to get me and his Daughter as he calls her to wed. He is real and dwells in and among us and by in i do mean a level of possession. I understand your theory here but it is a theory the fact is I deal with Him and Lucifer in war of word often as in daily. You just are wrong sorry.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 30, 2019 21:06:05 GMT
You call here hell, while Jesus and I call it heaven.
It seems that you should follow our better thinking.
We have been taught properly while you are fighting with your teachers.
Faith is not wanting to know the truth.
Regards DL Oh i see whats going on here now. You too are marked in the beast! If you call this heaven you are a fallen and can only be happy when abusing men. But nah you just don't think he fell and was a beasts prophet. But he was. You are not going to get out of it.
The Greatest and Truest Mortal SinThe only sin of those whom God condemns to suffer for no reason cannot be condemned by this heartless and anti-rational God as sin, but by a God like Prometheus. So the tragedies of polio were the fault of those who, through treating them like freaks and losers, discouraged people like Jonas Salk. More important because they manipulate the others into that sin, is the demorializing of the true Saviors inflicted by the powerful class that needs to humiliate geniuses in order to turn them into meek Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 30, 2019 21:34:56 GMT
I teach facts. You seem to think it is your perspective that matters. It does yes. But Mine is truth from those who created us. You are guessing when you trying to make it fit YOUR NARRATIVE! Ah! But it is you who is a-guessing as to what my narrative is! For you claim facts, but I teach method for devising facts objectively. Your claims are esoteric, not verifiable to the reader. And that method of logical-positivism which I use is simply that: internal logic to any claim is the first criterion of truth. So when I make points about cosmology based on computational algorithms, and the precision of Newtonian gravity as opposed to the blatant sophistry of Einstein's woeful attempts at reasoning; then any person that considers these issues with their full attention can see that they need to take very seriously my other more esoteric claims. Most specifically my communion with John the Baptist and also Jesus is the source of these truths. But to asses the validity of those claims you would first have to juxtapose the farce of the 2017 Nobel physics prize and its false claims to 'proving' Relativity and 'black-hole' mythology with this article: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/gravity/speed-of-gravity.htm(After reading this it should be clear that most of academia is the tool of Satan.) SERMON OF A JE$US SALESMAN Pray Then Pay That's the way To make my day. There is no internal logic in people witnessing Jesus's miracles and then not risking their lives to save Him from Crucifixion. From that example, it doesn't even have the internal logic of a primitive religion like Islam. As for the Old Testament, those who witnessed the Plagues and the opening of the Red Sea would have never dared to worship the Golden Calf. So these contradictions were put into the Theist myths in order to numb the brains of the captive believers so they would accept the clear and present unholiness of the clergy.
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Post by Etu Malku on May 31, 2019 0:53:52 GMT
Satan is the guardian of a threshold, as Ayn al-Qozat explained, and a doorway is an isthmus, a space-between-worlds, an ambiguous and liminal no-place-place, a land of the imagination. In the West, only William Blake recognized the Devil as the imagination; in Sufism, this identity has been clear since at least the tenth century. There exists a Kurdish sect called Ahl-i Haqq (People of Truth) who practice an extreme form of Shi'ism, Sufism, Gnosticism, and Shamanism. Of the various subgroups, the Shaitan-Parastiyyan sect venerates the Abrahamic Satan. Here Satan is understood as the way of expression through the self, a projection of one's own spiritual imperfection. Good in theory but the reality is I met Satan in person as he tried to get me and his Daughter as he calls her to wed. He is real and dwells in and among us and by in i do mean a level of possession. I understand your theory here but it is a theory the fact is I deal with Him and Lucifer in war of word often as in daily. You just are wrong sorry. Next time take your meds and then come talk to me . . .
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 1, 2019 19:35:21 GMT
That sounds like a lot of lying about things you cannot possibly know. I am willing to give you a benefit of a doubt but you will have to show how you know what you put as a fact.
I hope you are not just quoting a lying preacher.
Regards DL
I am judged pure of heart and Chosen by the Spoken word of God. I actually do know. You just have not accepted that i actually walk with them. I do know because i am chosen.
If you are not delusional, then you must be one of the true believers whom Jesus said could do all he did and more.
Have you begun your miracle working and if not, why not?
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Jun 1, 2019 19:41:58 GMT
Satan is the guardian of a threshold, as Ayn al-Qozat explained, and a doorway is an isthmus, a space-between-worlds, an ambiguous and liminal no-place-place, a land of the imagination. In the West, only William Blake recognized the Devil as the imagination; in Sufism, this identity has been clear since at least the tenth century. There exists a Kurdish sect called Ahl-i Haqq (People of Truth) who practice an extreme form of Shi'ism, Sufism, Gnosticism, and Shamanism. Of the various subgroups, the Shaitan-Parastiyyan sect venerates the Abrahamic Satan. Here Satan is understood as the way of expression through the self, a projection of one's own spiritual imperfection. I happen to agree with what you put about Gnostic Christians, but you have put all the Abrahamic cults into the same literalist camp and that is not quite right as the Karaite Jews think the same way we Gnostic Christians do. That being that Satan is god's loyal opposition. If imperfections happen to evolve from Satan questioning, then it is god's own morality that is being tested. Scriptures do say to test all things and hold to the good and testing cannot be done without questioning, which is Satan's forte along with moral thinking.
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Post by Etu Malku on Jun 1, 2019 19:55:24 GMT
Satan is the guardian of a threshold, as Ayn al-Qozat explained, and a doorway is an isthmus, a space-between-worlds, an ambiguous and liminal no-place-place, a land of the imagination. In the West, only William Blake recognized the Devil as the imagination; in Sufism, this identity has been clear since at least the tenth century. There exists a Kurdish sect called Ahl-i Haqq (People of Truth) who practice an extreme form of Shi'ism, Sufism, Gnosticism, and Shamanism. Of the various subgroups, the Shaitan-Parastiyyan sect venerates the Abrahamic Satan. Here Satan is understood as the way of expression through the self, a projection of one's own spiritual imperfection. I happen to agree with what you put about Gnostic Christians, but you have put all the Abrahamic cults into the same literalist camp and that is not quite right as the Karaite Jews think the same way we Gnostic Christians do. That being that Satan is god's loyal opposition. If imperfections happen to evolve from Satan questioning, then it is god's own morality that is being tested. Scriptures do say to test all things and hold to the good and testing cannot be done without questioning, which is Satan's forte along with moral thinking.
Regards DL
You are right, I didn't mean to lump 'every' denomination of the Abrahamic faiths together.
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Post by prophettom on Jun 2, 2019 22:21:05 GMT
Good in theory but the reality is I met Satan in person as he tried to get me and his Daughter as he calls her to wed. He is real and dwells in and among us and by in i do mean a level of possession. I understand your theory here but it is a theory the fact is I deal with Him and Lucifer in war of word often as in daily. You just are wrong sorry. Next time take your meds and then come talk to me . . . this time your diagnoses is wrong. No matter how sound in theory.
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Post by prophettom on Jun 2, 2019 22:25:13 GMT
I am judged pure of heart and Chosen by the Spoken word of God. I actually do know. You just have not accepted that i actually walk with them. I do know because i am chosen.
If you are not delusional, then you must be one of the true believers whom Jesus said could do all he did and more.
Have you begun your miracle working and if not, why not?
Regards DL
I do not believe in any religion as holy. I simply met God when I was judged and Chosen. Jesus got miracle from the beast. Most of witch was not the miracles they appeared to be. But none the less miracles to deceive so miracles. As foretold Destruction of a word. The fallen will do no miracle for me like they did Jesus because i refused their mark. It is that simple. I only have one year left of a seven year Curse that is similar to the one of Job. We shall see what happens than.
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Post by prophettom on Jun 2, 2019 22:28:29 GMT
Oh i see whats going on here now. You too are marked in the beast! If you call this heaven you are a fallen and can only be happy when abusing men. But nah you just don't think he fell and was a beasts prophet. But he was. You are not going to get out of it.
The Greatest and Truest Mortal SinThe only sin of those whom God condemns to suffer for no reason cannot be condemned by this heartless and anti-rational God as sin, but by a God like Prometheus. So the tragedies of polio were the fault of those who, through treating them like freaks and losers, discouraged people like Jonas Salk. More important because they manipulate the others into that sin, is the demorializing of the true Saviors inflicted by the powerful class that needs to humiliate geniuses in order to turn them into meek Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys. you are in a good train of thought.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jun 3, 2019 18:36:02 GMT
The Greatest and Truest Mortal SinThe only sin of those whom God condemns to suffer for no reason cannot be condemned by this heartless and anti-rational God as sin, but by a God like Prometheus. So the tragedies of polio were the fault of those who, through treating them like freaks and losers, discouraged people like Jonas Salk. More important because they manipulate the others into that sin, is the demorializing of the true Saviors inflicted by the powerful class that needs to humiliate geniuses in order to turn them into meek Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys. you are in a good train of thought. A-Students Must Become Alpha Males; Nerds Should Commit SuicideMy train needs a cowcatcher. Too many geniuses degrade themselves into becoming Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys. That includes the escapist theoretical scientists for running away from life instead of organizing a revolt against those who profit from humiliating High IQs.
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