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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 18, 2019 3:09:10 GMT
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 22:13:02 GMT
What does a serial killer who is black have to do with this discussion? SMH again, racism is learned as you affirm, however I'm getting the vibe from you that as long as nobody makes any remarks about your heritage you won't make remarks about theirs. The problem I have is, if your mind is absolved from having racist thoughts you wouldn't make those thoughts apparent regardless if someone made pejorative remarks towards you. There isn't a black serial killer. Just a racist one who targets black girls/women. Someone needs to teach him a lesson. People like him don't belong in this world. That's all I was saying. Ok, I'm sorry I misread. So exactly what does his actions have to do with the discussion?
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2019 22:16:29 GMT
There isn't a black serial killer. Just a racist one who targets black girls/women. Someone needs to teach him a lesson. People like him don't belong in this world. That's all I was saying. Ok, I'm sorry I misread. So exactly what does his actions have to do with the discussion? That people who are racist like him harm others. We lost women and children all because the killer can't grow up and thinks he's better than all when he's the least of the least. So sad. Could have been a good ending instead of a tragic one.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 9, 2019 22:24:59 GMT
Ok, I'm sorry I misread. So exactly what does his actions have to do with the discussion? That people who are racist like him harm others. We lost women and children all because the killer can't grow up and thinks he's better than all when he's the least of the least. So sad. Could have been a good ending instead of a tragic one. How do you know what the killer's intentions are? Is this considered a hate crime? Is the killer leaving derogatory remarks about his victims? If not, then it is by coincidence the people he are targeting happen to be black. Or maybe he is going after women of color for a specific reason. We don't know unless the person is captured, anything else is speculation on your part.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 9, 2019 22:36:56 GMT
That people who are racist like him harm others. We lost women and children all because the killer can't grow up and thinks he's better than all when he's the least of the least. So sad. Could have been a good ending instead of a tragic one. How do you know what the killer's intentions are? Is this considered a hate crime? Is the killer leaving derogatory remarks about his victims? If not, then it is by coincidence the people he are targeting happen to be black. Or maybe he is going after women of color for a specific reason. We don't know unless the person is captured, anything else is speculation on your part. All the victims are black and female. So he has a preference and the way he likes to kill them already. Serial killers usually have a preference and stick to it the whole time they kill. Very rare that they'd change their preference. So this would most likely mean he dislikes black females for a reason in studying behavior patterns and stuff. The motive could be a black female or their race hurt him in some way or appear as less than human to society so he's lashing out in a way to cleanse and better off the world. So could mean racist and wants to remove females to prevent more blacks from breeding, could be a mother or a girlfriend who's black who abused him or abandoned him or something so he's after all who remind him of her, etc. Could even be a team but appears to be one currently since style is the same of death as by one rather than many.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 10, 2019 0:12:48 GMT
@romeo So true. This is true too. I don't know the situation you are referring to but it does seem she took a whole group of slavs when it was just a few Serbs or whatever. Think you mentioned it to me too when it seemed like I was attacking all Albos when it was like 5. But yeah only some people cause problems and not all. And I've some really good albo friends too. Even have phone numbers like Dema's and his wife. I talk to them on phone at times.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Mar 10, 2019 0:50:48 GMT
RACISM IS RACISM REGARDLESS OF WHICH RACE YOU CHOOSE TO BE RACIST TOWARDS.
SOMEONE WHO IS RACIST AND SPEAKS AGAINST RACISM IS A HYPOCRITE.
I LEARNED THAT NOT ALL PEOPLE OF THE SAME "RACE" ARE IDENTICAL TO ONE ANOTHER WHEN IT COMES TO ACTIONS.
A PERSON AS AN INDIVIDUAL IS EITHER GOOD OR EVIL.
SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY LIKE EVERYONE. EVERYONE INCLUDES GOOD AND EVIL.
IF YOU LIKE ONLY THE GOOD AND NOT THE EVIL THAN THAT IS A DISCRIMINATION. IF YOU LIKE ONLY THE EVIL AND NOT THE GOOD THAN THAT IS A DISCRIMINATION.
IF YOU DO LIKE EVERYONE THEN YOU LIKE EVIL PEOPLE TOO.
WHAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF GOOD TO YOU? WHAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF EVIL TO YOU?
I THINK HONESTY IS A GOOD POLICY. I THINK DISHONESTY IS AN EVIL POLICY.
THE TRUTH IS NOT ALWAYS CONVENIENT I THINK. IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW THE TRUTH I THINK.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 16, 2019 15:37:19 GMT
Yeah you said racism is learned that's why I said don't be racist to others if you don't want people to be racist to you. If someone is racist towards you, then that person is automatically racist to everyone of your race. If you are being racist in response, then you are simply being racist as well. Because of the actions of one individual you are becoming hostile to everyone else of that race. This simply means you are racist, just like the person whom you despise for being racist. It reminds me of one situation from TA when Serbs were arguing with Albanians, and one Albanian lady jumped into the battle bashing the Slavs. I critisized her approach, and suddenly she said that she's talking about the Serbs. But she attacked all the Slavs, including those who were fine with her and did not participate in this circus - but she insulted the whole group. Even if she wanted to only insult the Serbs, she was still insulting the whole nation. What she should have done instead, if she was so focused on insulting someone, was attacking directly those who attacked her. You can call them morons, you can point out their intellectual disabilities, but when you complain that someone is against "your kin" and generalizes, then by generalization you are becoming a person whom you critisize for exactly same thing. Thank you. I think Elizabeth is young and doesn’t understand what I meant
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 16, 2019 15:43:11 GMT
What is your point in all this? Racism isn't okay period. You take a few posts by some people on Facebook then all of a discussion on "anti-white" is somehow national. You have had systems placed for centuries that have abused minorities for centuries. The day you find people of color doing the same with whites across the world then we can talk about double standards, until then, these "anti-white" rants are just the ramblings of misguided individuals. Lone WandererI think this may be one of those strange/odd/double standards you spoke about If racism isn’t okay period, then why is it not okay to talk about racism against white people? You said “You have had systems placed for centuries that have abused minorities for centuries.” Can you give just one example of this today? And can you explain why white people should be held responsible for said systems they had nothing to do with? And can you also explain what you would like to see happen? Where is the claim of anti-white being a national issue? You said “The day you find people of color doing the same with whites across the world then we can talk about double standards”, so it doesn’t need to be a national issue, but an international one before we can begin talking about racism against white people? But didn’t you just say racism isn’t okay, period? But now you’re saying it’s okay until it happens on an international level and only against white people? If racism isn’t okay, then why when talking about racism against white people(as insignificant as you seem to think it is) is it considered ramblings? Who said it was okay that one being racist to whites is okay? Point out where I said specifically where I said in the context of this one long paragraph I said it was okay? The fact of the matter is racism against white people if you want to keep it real statistically is far less on average than all other people on the demographic scale. Case in point the New Zealand situation. How often do you hear black nationalist going into white churches or places where white congregate and kill a lot of people? But the point is racism happens cross culturally and what we need to do is educate people. But frankly this fear monger gets if whites encountering racism as if it’s on an equal plain as everyone else is interesting
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 18, 2019 2:53:55 GMT
Lone Wanderer I think this may be one of those strange/odd/double standards you spoke about If racism isn’t okay period, then why is it not okay to talk about racism against white people? You said “You have had systems placed for centuries that have abused minorities for centuries.” Can you give just one example of this today? And can you explain why white people should be held responsible for said systems they had nothing to do with? And can you also explain what you would like to see happen? Where is the claim of anti-white being a national issue? You said “The day you find people of color doing the same with whites across the world then we can talk about double standards”, so it doesn’t need to be a national issue, but an international one before we can begin talking about racism against white people? But didn’t you just say racism isn’t okay, period? But now you’re saying it’s okay until it happens on an international level and only against white people? If racism isn’t okay, then why when talking about racism against white people(as insignificant as you seem to think it is) is it considered ramblings? Who said it was okay that one being racist to whites is okay? Point out where I said specifically where I said in the context of this one long paragraph I said it was okay? The fact of the matter is racism against white people if you want to keep it real statistically is far less on average than all other people on the demographic scale. Case in point the New Zealand situation. How often do you hear black nationalist going into white churches or places where white congregate and kill a lot of people? But the point is racism happens cross culturally and what we need to do is educate people. But frankly this fear monger gets if whites encountering racism as if it’s on an equal plain as everyone else is interesting I was asking you if it was because in your paragraph you said until racism against white people is an international issue, we can't address double standards in racism, would make it seem you think it is okay to ignore racism against white people until it does become an international issue. I don't care what the demographic is, racism isn't okay period, right? Are you trying to send all white people into a guilt-trip for the actions of other white people who believe in ridiculous ideologies that the majority of white people don't believe? Correct, and this is what most believe on this forum. What you were seemingly pushing toward, though, is that white people have an inherent privilege, but you haven't told anyone what this privilege is exactly. Is the 'privilege' to go buy some guns and shoot up a mosque? Because anyone can do that, literally. What that white supremacist did in New Zealand was not a result of any privilege, he didn't get away with his actions, he will be punished. You said in your first post, Who is "You"? Do you think all white people today are responsible, in control, and approving of such systems? And do you think these systems exist today? If you do, please give us some examples.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 18, 2019 3:39:19 GMT
Because this fear mongering is the same tactic the GOP uses-specifically the Trump administration uses in regards to immigration, that "immigrants are invading the United States." Similarly, in context these videos portray that racism against whites its a thing that is increasing. This video is not something that is highlighting a potential issue, the context of the video is perpetuating an issue using various Facebook and other social media posts, as an issue as if it's increasing. My position is its not. Because whites on a grand scale cross economic status are still in positions of power and influence and that we still live in a society that still favors whites, most social activist groups in academia and grass roots aren't focus on racism against whites because for all intensive purpose, we do not live in a system that creates disadvantages against whites which is why videos of that kind that is presented here aren't taken as serious.
You keep mentioning the phrase "guilt trip" like a small child. Nobody cares me specifically what you feel in regards to whether you feel guilty or shame or whatever regarding the mistreatment of other human beings of darker complexion. Your past posts and the other posts from members indicates this already. I wish white folks here like yourself and others would listen to people like Jane Elliott who are true Caucasian allies. I do not presume all white people subscribe to racism, but I do believe as research has indicated that there is a large enough group subconsciously that have racial prejudices.
I doubt that. One moderator made the claim that "if you don't want someone to be racist against you, then don't be racist against them," another stated the stereotype that black encompass all the negative stereotypes in comparison to other minority groups, and in regards to the latter, after quoting that several times in the other thread that you and I were having a discussion in not you, nor anyone else address the obviously blatant racist comment that individual made. This leads me to think that many of you whites are oblivious to the racism towards other minorities which leads me to believe that you all do not care. As you've said "don't give me that white guilt trip" so already you appear to be less empathetic to people who are real victims of racism perpetuated by whites. However, you're prepared to discuss racism against whites as if you're in danger to face racism systemically. A few hundred ingrates of a community is minor compared to historical systems where people of color are still at a disadvantage.
You're still ignorant of what the concept of white privilege means, and I'm not saying that you don't understand what it means, but that your unwillingness to accept academic research that has been verified is what makes you ignorant. The man that committed the NZ attack was a coward that picked a place of worship to kill people, but the fact of the matter is people like him have been doing this and Trump's candidacy as president has only embolden these people to continue their actions.
You in the reference I made was not specific to you, "you" was stated in conjunction to a statement I was making in referencing something else. For example I can say "you have had gas in the United States that was $1.25 before 9/11" that doesn't mean that you literally had gas for $1.25, it means that in terms of colloquialism in discussion, you is just another means to refer to a place so when I say "you had gas in the United States for $1.25 before 9/11" I'm really saying that "prior to 9/11, gas in the United States was $1.25." It is basically slang forms of English. Dang I didn't think I'd be an English teacher here just to teach you.
Systemic racism still exist, although not as evident in some facets of society in things that are important such as policing, economics, etc white people are still in positions of power and these systems are still not equitable.
So yes, racism is wrong regardless who its perpetuated against. I am a progressive liberal and if I believed otherwise I wouldn't be subscribe to such beliefs. But the fact remains, I'm more in danger of being a victim of white supremacy and systemic racism than whites are. So yes the video is important but not as important as those who continue to remain victims of systemic racism.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 18, 2019 6:28:55 GMT
Because this fear mongering is the same tactic the GOP uses-specifically the Trump administration uses in regards to immigration, that "immigrants are invading the United States." Similarly, in context these videos portray that racism against whites its a thing that is increasing. This video is not something that is highlighting a potential issue, the context of the video is perpetuating an issue using various Facebook and other social media posts, as an issue as if it's increasing. My position is its not. Because whites on a grand scale cross economic status are still in positions of power and influence and that we still live in a society that still favors whites, most social activist groups in academia and grass roots aren't focus on racism against whites because for all intensive purpose, we do not live in a system that creates disadvantages against whites which is why videos of that kind that is presented here aren't taken as serious. You keep mentioning the phrase "guilt trip" like a small child. Nobody cares me specifically what you feel in regards to whether you feel guilty or shame or whatever regarding the mistreatment of other human beings of darker complexion. Your past posts and the other posts from members indicates this already. I wish white folks here like yourself and others would listen to people like Jane Elliott who are true Caucasian allies. I do not presume all white people subscribe to racism, but I do believe as research has indicated that there is a large enough group subconsciously that have racial prejudices. I doubt that. One moderator made the claim that "if you don't want someone to be racist against you, then don't be racist against them," another stated the stereotype that black encompass all the negative stereotypes in comparison to other minority groups, and in regards to the latter, after quoting that several times in the other thread that you and I were having a discussion in not you, nor anyone else address the obviously blatant racist comment that individual made. This leads me to think that many of you whites are oblivious to the racism towards other minorities which leads me to believe that you all do not care. As you've said "don't give me that white guilt trip" so already you appear to be less empathetic to people who are real victims of racism perpetuated by whites. However, you're prepared to discuss racism against whites as if you're in danger to face racism systemically. A few hundred ingrates of a community is minor compared to historical systems where people of color are still at a disadvantage. You're still ignorant of what the concept of white privilege means, and I'm not saying that you don't understand what it means, but that your unwillingness to accept academic research that has been verified is what makes you ignorant. The man that committed the NZ attack was a coward that picked a place of worship to kill people, but the fact of the matter is people like him have been doing this and Trump's candidacy as president has only embolden these people to continue their actions. You in the reference I made was not specific to you, "you" was stated in conjunction to a statement I was making in referencing something else. For example I can say "you have had gas in the United States that was $1.25 before 9/11" that doesn't mean that you literally had gas for $1.25, it means that in terms of colloquialism in discussion, you is just another means to refer to a place so when I say "you had gas in the United States for $1.25 before 9/11" I'm really saying that "prior to 9/11, gas in the United States was $1.25." It is basically slang forms of English. Dang I didn't think I'd be an English teacher here just to teach you. Systemic racism still exist, although not as evident in some facets of society in things that are important such as policing, economics, etc white people are still in positions of power and these systems are still not equitable. So yes, racism is wrong regardless who its perpetuated against. I am a progressive liberal and if I believed otherwise I wouldn't be subscribe to such beliefs. But the fact remains, I'm more in danger of being a victim of white supremacy and systemic racism than whites are. So yes the video is important but not as important as those who continue to remain victims of systemic racism. This is offtopic, but regardless, we have a border crisis in this country in where thousands of immigrants illegal enter into this country each day. It is putting a tremendous burden on our government and income tax payers. It isn't fear mongering, it is fact. The biggest concern is how many illegal drugs come over the border and onto our streets each day as well. Or do you see both of these issues as a positive thing? No, that isn't what the video is portraying at all. The narrative of the video is that there is a double standard when it comes to people being racist against white people. It doesn't matter if whites don't face as much racism, because all racism is bad, correct? The demographics don't matter because all racism is wrong, correct? So, that woman who works for the New York Times, Sarah Jeong, is able to get away with saying "Dumba** f***ing white people" in a tweet, where if the word "white" was changed to "black", the media would have come down on her with such severe reproach that she would have lost her job because being racist is unacceptable. But that is the thing, because, as you can see in the video, CNN grabs interviewees who are willing to push a double standard, that is that saying "Dumba** f***ing white people" isn't racist. The video goes on to interview random people in where the guy changes that word "white" is changed to "black" and reads the tweet off to them and you get responses like "I think she is mentally ill", "she should be fired", "those are racist/nazi comments", "discrimination is a very bad thing" etc., but when he changes it to the original tweet you get mixed responses in where an obvious double standard emerges and the subject of "white privilege"(which nobody can seem to definitely define) becomes the excuse for why it is seeming okay to be racist against white people; as one of the people interviewed said, "it is not such a big deal when it's about white people". Of course there are some who said it is still racist no matter what word was there, "white" or "black", wouldn't these people be more fair and more consistent, and isn't the presence of a double standard now missing? Absolutely not, it is highlighting an ongoing issue, that is the double standard that exists when someone is racist against a white person it is not racist, but considered more acceptable. This is what is called the straw man fallacy. You are attacking a subject that is not the subject of discussion. The subject of the video is the double standard that exists when one is racist against white people vs black people, while you are attacking the subject of racism against white people increasing when nobody ever made that claim in the video nor outside of it. We still live in a society that favors whites? Can you show examples of this occurring today? You need to show evidence of this claim. We live in a system that creates disadvantages for people of other than white skin? Can you show examples of this? You need to show evidence of this claim. I don't think small children know what a guilt trip is. Regardless, I don't see a point in a comment such as this. Is it an attempt to upset me emotionally? Oh, good. I finally got a direct answer from you about that. We are getting somewhere Well, then perhaps you should enlighten us all here and tell us how we may have subconscious racial prejudices. Can you give any examples of this? Is it when someone is blatantly being biased against others because of their skin color because they don't know any better and have been reared in a way that is racist? If so, or even if not so, do you think, and have proof, that a majority of white people have this subconscious? Ah, yes I saw that comment; she is basically saying that we should treat others how we want to be treated, otherwise known as the "Golden Rule". I am not going to get into what the other user said here because it would lead down a rabbit hole which is not relevant to this discussion, nor do I feel I should speak for that user. But, two examples, and even if you use the other user you are having discussion with, which is 3 examples, is not "most" people on this forum if those 3 are even racist at all. I see. Well, can you explain to me why I should feel guilty for the actions I don't condone of individuals I don't know or have any personal relation to other than the color of my skin? Feeling guilty and feeling empathetic are two very different things. I can and do feel bad for those are victims of racist crimes, but I don't feel guilty because someone with white skin did the crime. I've said this before; people are individuals and should be treated as such. No, I am prepared to discuss double standards when it comes to racism regardless of whether racism against white people is happening on any level. A double standard is a double standard no matter what color it is. Okay then can you define what white privilege is? Can you link the academic research that shows that white privilege actually exists? I believe I've asked for this a few times now but have only come up empty. I'm not here to talk about the Trump administration. Okay. Oh, don't worry, you don't need to teach me English, you just need be more exact with what you say or it can be taken the wrong way. You could at least give me credit to trying to understand exactly what you trying to say; effective communication. In any event, I did not exist when said systems were in place(if they were) and I believe I asked you to show examples of this system existing today somewhere on this forum. Can you provide examples of systemic racism still existing today? White people being in positions of power does not prove systemic racism exists as it is extremely vague and superficial, you will have to be more precise in choosing evidence for supporting this claim. What about the system we live in is not equitable? What systemic policies, practices, and economic and political structures place minority racial and ethnic groups at a disadvantage in relation to racial or ethnic majority today? Good, so then you agree that a double standard, as the video indicates exists when the word "black" is changed to "white" it doesn't become as racist or racist at all, exists when it comes to racism against white people and is wrong?
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 18, 2019 15:22:19 GMT
Bruh I'm not reading all that shit. Why don't you reformat your post?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 18, 2019 23:51:00 GMT
Bruh I'm not reading all that shit. Why don't you reformat your post? I formatted it the same way you formatted your post, and I didn't have trouble reading yours. If you don't want to read what I posted then that's fine, we can agree to disagree and move on.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:24 GMT
Bruh I'm not reading all that shit. Why don't you reformat your post? I formatted it the same way you formatted your post, and I didn't have trouble reading yours. If you don't want to read what I posted then that's fine, we can agree to disagree and move on. What you did is quoted my long post with me responding to yours then you responded with your answers. I'm having trouble deciphering. So what I did is instead of quoting your post I just copy and past yours at the bottom between the quote button. But that is just me, its not a matter of not reading it, it's a matter of me having difficulty following.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 19, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
I formatted it the same way you formatted your post, and I didn't have trouble reading yours. If you don't want to read what I posted then that's fine, we can agree to disagree and move on. What you did is quoted my long post with me responding to yours then you responded with your answers. I'm having trouble deciphering. So what I did is instead of quoting your post I just copy and past yours at the bottom between the quote button. But that is just me, its not a matter of not reading it, it's a matter of me having difficulty following. Just ignore my quoting of your response(the first big box), it's only there to show that I didn't change what you said. The other boxes are me quoting you and the text below each box is my response to each quote.
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