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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 8, 2019 4:52:21 GMT
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 16, 2019 18:17:39 GMT
True that believers are slightly happier than non-theists and actually live slightly longer.
Have a look at this professor. He, when teaching of organized religion, called it organized schizophrenia,
Much later in his career, he advocates that we all join a schizophrenic religion.
I guess we all have to decide if we wish to live longer lives in self-delusion, or a shorter life without the self-delusion and staying in reality.
I live in reality. Where have you chosen to keep your mind? Reality or fantasy.
Regards DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 16, 2019 19:14:45 GMT
True that believers are slightly happier than non-theists and actually live slightly longer.
Have a look at this professor. He, when teaching of organized religion, called it organized schizophrenia,
Much later in his career, he advocates that we all join a schizophrenic religion.
I guess we all have to decide if we wish to live longer lives in self-delusion, or a shorter life without the self-delusion and staying in reality.
I live in reality. Where have you chosen to keep your mind? Reality or fantasy.
Regards DL
But that's a professiors opinion. Opinions are usually biased and not credible sources. Self delusion is like calling a red crayon before you green because we have proof it's not green. Self delusion is not believing in something with a futurist approach or believing in a current feeling. Otherwise all who believe in a good future, in love, in having a family, and so on are delusional. But they're not. Believing in someone or beliving in heaven and hell and God is no different than believing in getting a promotion at work. It's actually positivity which keeps you going and it's healthy for you. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 16, 2019 19:22:51 GMT
True that believers are slightly happier than non-theists and actually live slightly longer.
Have a look at this professor. He, when teaching of organized religion, called it organized schizophrenia,
Much later in his career, he advocates that we all join a schizophrenic religion.
I guess we all have to decide if we wish to live longer lives in self-delusion, or a shorter life without the self-delusion and staying in reality.
I live in reality. Where have you chosen to keep your mind? Reality or fantasy.
Regards DL
How can you prove as a fact that God isn't a reality? Are you claiming that you know everything? |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 0:55:44 GMT
Looks like I screwed up the quote and I cannot get rid of my avatar.
I have agreed that it is healthier life span and on the happy scale.
If you can self delude and do not mind living a lie, go ahead. I cannot and will not.
Self delusion is a lie and if you are religious and do not mind lying to yourself, enjoy, while ignoring the harm that religions do with their homophobia and misogyny and the hate that allows you to live longer to hate that much longer.
There are good reasons for calling sheeple, sheeple.
Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 1:03:30 GMT
How can you prove as a fact that God isn't a reality? Are you claiming that you know everything? I hate the quote function her that does not seem to work for me.
I cannot prove negative claims. That is a logical fallacy and reverse onus which is not the way courts work.
It is to the one who cries wolf to prove the wolf was there, even though there are no tracks or shit to help him make his case.
Do you have proof or evidence to show that there is a God?
I have claimed forcing my apotheosis and I don't even have proof of that, although I would pass a lie detector.
Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 17, 2019 1:18:57 GMT
Looks like I screwed up the quote and I cannot get rid of my avatar.
I have agreed that it is healthier life span and on the happy scale.
If you can self delude and do not mind living a lie, go ahead. I cannot and will not.
Self delusion is a lie and if you are religious and do not mind lying to yourself, enjoy, while ignoring the harm that religions do with their homophobia and misogyny and the hate that allows you to live longer to hate that much longer.
There are good reasons for calling sheeple, sheeple.
Regards DL Believing in a religion is not a lie as I mentioned. It's like believing in love. You don't believe in that? Because belief in love and belief in God is the same process. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 17, 2019 7:49:51 GMT
How can you prove as a fact that God isn't a reality? Are you claiming that you know everything? I hate the quote function her that does not seem to work for me.
I cannot prove negative claims. That is a logical fallacy and reverse onus which is not the way courts work.
It is to the one who cries wolf to prove the wolf was there, even though there are no tracks or shit to help him make his case.
Do you have proof or evidence to show that there is a God?
I have claimed forcing my apotheosis and I don't even have proof of that, although I would pass a lie detector.
Regards DL Right, so you cannot prove you are actually living in reality. So who is actually living in self-delusion? Is it the person who tells themselves there is no God or the person who believes there is a God? Is it the person who tells themselves that people who believe there is God are schizophrenic? Or the people who accuse others of being schizophrenic because they believe in God? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 17, 2019 11:53:28 GMT
Mmm.... Hmm.... Yeah... Hhmm...
If you're going to Church is right, my fried,
Church is a home of God.
He built all of them with his powers, my friend,
And now I tell you what:
You can go to the Church, because what's in your search
Might be gotten just stepping on th' stairs,
And believing to God, you will get what you want
Because there are people just like you
...and they waiting for the same as you are...
Logic tells us that in a place, let's call it C, there are some people, and they're gathered by the same reason. What do you think? Will you find there what you've been looking for? Maybe yes, and maybe not, but certainly people there know as much as you, so together you will feel yorself more comfortable. And this is a reason why churches seem helpful for people.
No gods in churches.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 20:22:25 GMT
Looks like I screwed up the quote and I cannot get rid of my avatar.
I have agreed that it is healthier life span and on the happy scale.
If you can self delude and do not mind living a lie, go ahead. I cannot and will not.
Self delusion is a lie and if you are religious and do not mind lying to yourself, enjoy, while ignoring the harm that religions do with their homophobia and misogyny and the hate that allows you to live longer to hate that much longer.
There are good reasons for calling sheeple, sheeple.
Regards DL Believing in a religion is not a lie as I mentioned. It's like believing in love. You don't believe in that? Because belief in love and belief in God is the same process.
Interesting, and I partially agree, based on what Jesus says in scriptures about love, which negates God loving us. God wants servants. Those who love another do not want them as servants. Right?
Let's define love a bit, from Jesus' POV.
Love, which always takes two to be a true love, must have works and deeds and reciprocity.
Think of those you love and who return your love. That is true love thanks to the works and deeds you do for each other. Right?
Now think of what God does for us. Nothing. Right?
That and the fact he wants us as servants shows more hate than love. Do you agree?
Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 20:31:46 GMT
I hate the quote function her that does not seem to work for me.
I cannot prove negative claims. That is a logical fallacy and reverse onus which is not the way courts work.
It is to the one who cries wolf to prove the wolf was there, even though there are no tracks or shit to help him make his case.
Do you have proof or evidence to show that there is a God?
I have claimed forcing my apotheosis and I don't even have proof of that, although I would pass a lie detector.
Regards DL Right, so you cannot prove you are actually living in reality. So who is actually living in self-delusion? Is it the person who tells themselves there is no God or the person who believes there is a God? Is it the person who tells themselves that people who believe there is God are schizophrenic? Or the people who accuse others of being schizophrenic because they believe in God? We were talking of the impossibility of proving a negative.
You are saying I cannot prove a positive claim of living in reality, --- which I can prove.
I don't know if you purposely deflected or if you just did not understand what I put.
It is easy for me to prove I live in reality. This site is in reality and here I am using it.
As to who or what is a person who claims that there is a God; unless he has first hand information and contact, he is a liar as he is just passing on 7th hand hear say.
Facts are real. Not hear say.
Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2019 20:37:31 GMT
Mmm.... Hmm.... Yeah... Hhmm...If you're going to Church is right, my fried,
Church is a home of God.
He built all of them with his powers, my friend,
And now I tell you what:
You can go to the Church, because what's in your search
Might be gotten just stepping on th' stairs,
And believing to God, you will get what you want
Because there are people just like you
...and they waiting for the same as you are...Logic tells us that in a place, let's call it C, there are some people, and they're gathered by the same reason. What do you think? Will you find there what you've been looking for? Maybe yes, and maybe not, but certainly people there know as much as you, so together you will feel yorself more comfortable. And this is a reason why churches seem helpful for people. No gods in churches.
I see an enlightened thinker.
You are basically saying that man is serving himself and not some God.
I agree.
God is to serve man and not man serve God. That is what Jesus taught but most do not see it.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Feb 18, 2019 0:07:12 GMT
Right, so you cannot prove you are actually living in reality. So who is actually living in self-delusion? Is it the person who tells themselves there is no God or the person who believes there is a God? Is it the person who tells themselves that people who believe there is God are schizophrenic? Or the people who accuse others of being schizophrenic because they believe in God? We were talking of the impossibility of proving a negative.
You are saying I cannot prove a positive claim of living in reality, --- which I can prove.
I don't know if you purposely deflected or if you just did not understand what I put.
It is easy for me to prove I live in reality. This site is in reality and here I am using it.
As to who or what is a person who claims that there is a God; unless he has first hand information and contact, he is a liar as he is just passing on 7th hand hear say.
Facts are real. Not hear say.
Regards DL
Saying you live in reality does not prove you live in reality. That's like me saying the sky is purple is proof that the sky is purple. But we are not going off topic. How can you prove you are not the schizophrenic and that those who believe in God are? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 18, 2019 0:36:56 GMT
Believing in a religion is not a lie as I mentioned. It's like believing in love. You don't believe in that? Because belief in love and belief in God is the same process.
Interesting, and I partially agree, based on what Jesus says in scriptures about love, which negates God loving us. God wants servants. Those who love another do not want them as servants. Right?
Let's define love a bit, from Jesus' POV.
Love, which always takes two to be a true love, must have works and deeds and reciprocity.
Think of those you love and who return your love. That is true love thanks to the works and deeds you do for each other. Right?
Now think of what God does for us. Nothing. Right?
That and the fact he wants us as servants shows more hate than love. Do you agree?
Regards DL I think you missed everything God meant in the bible. Are kids servants of their parents? Parents teach their kids to clean their rooms, to bathe and brush their teeth, to go to school and learn, etc. Is this love wanting them as servants? No. This love is to teach them how to have a good future which will benefit them not the parent or God. It's not about servants. It's about giving them hope and a future which God and parents want for us unless they don't love you. Jeremiah 29:11 11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. A parent or God who doesn't do this verse is not loving. Good part is that not all parents are loving in this world but God remains loving.  Ok! Here's the summary of it. Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Crazy right? We should love our enemies even. Jesus wants us to love everyone and being charitable without expecting to be rewarded for it in any way. Just like He is nice to even those who never say thank you and act evil. Otherswise people would probably kill their enemies or such mean people but God and Christians must love them anyway no matter what. Too amazing. I mean I wish I was an only child but I must love my siblings nonetheless. It's the right thing to do as God said. This is false. It doesn't take two to be true love and both don't need work and deeds. The verse I just quoted above about loving your enemies clearly states this. It's a one sided love at times. You're loving that person and that person is hating you. And only one will have deeds/works and will lend and and do good without expecting the other one to stop hating them or thanking them or rewarding them. That's too amazing. Normally, people would hate that person back or something. But God says love them anyway and not treat them as an enemy. Just like an ungrateful child with a parent for example. A real parent would love them anyway and take care of them. A bad parent will hate them, abandon them, or even kill them. Is this what you're trying to spread here? I hope not. That's crazy. I'm glad Jesus is a smart and a good God or everything will be disorganized. Nope, wrong. Again the verse I quoted to you above says it doesn't matter if your love is returned to you. You love them anyway and that's true love. Not what you stated. Or here's expanding on it from Jesus Himself. He doesn't want you just loving those who love you. He actually wants you to focus on loving those who don't love you back. Luke 6:32-36 32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, [h]hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. If God did nothing then no one would even be a cell that will grow into even more. I think He needs to eliminate ungrateful and hateful and murderous cells/people but He's too loving and would rather give them time to change. He's kind to the ungateful and evil as that verse said. He's doing too much good to people actually. But a great example. No, of course I don't agree. I already explained how God and loving parents don't make their kids servants but make them have good futures because they love them. You seem to have a lot of hate for some reason and blaming it on anyone you can by blaming the innocent in your posts it seems. :( When God died for someone on a cross...it shows more love than some people would even do for someone. Unless you met a ton of people willing to die for someone? John 15:13,14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 18, 2019 13:20:28 GMT
Mmm.... Hmm.... Yeah... Hhmm...If you're going to Church is right, my fried,
Church is a home of God.
He built all of them with his powers, my friend,
And now I tell you what:
You can go to the Church, because what's in your search
Might be gotten just stepping on th' stairs,
And believing to God, you will get what you want
Because there are people just like you
...and they waiting for the same as you are...Logic tells us that in a place, let's call it C, there are some people, and they're gathered by the same reason. What do you think? Will you find there what you've been looking for? Maybe yes, and maybe not, but certainly people there know as much as you, so together you will feel yorself more comfortable. And this is a reason why churches seem helpful for people. No gods in churches.
I see an enlightened thinker.
You are basically saying that man is serving himself and not some God.
I agree.
God is to serve man and not man serve God. That is what Jesus taught but most do not see it.
Regards DL
My regards to ya too!! Yeah, the idea of God who serves man is really powerful. I think none believers can't avoid a thought that there's no reason for God to create the universe, but for serving men. People used to think that if God created the universe, he might wanted to make people serve himself, but for why did he create the world then? He was needed to do it. A man was demanded for God, God couldn't live without a human. God needed Himself, and that's why he created people - to watch their history and finally find the one as great as Him. He wanted to see if there would be founded a man who were as so majestic as Jesus? Probably, Jesus was a passkey to us to understand what's going on here, and to know how to get an access to Heaven. Since we've got it we need to behave ourselves like Jesus to be pleased with VIP cards to Heaven. |
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