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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 31, 2019 16:38:55 GMT
I wanted to start the theme about the limits of believing itself, but instead I'd try to develop it partially. I want to concentrate on not on the whole problem of believing, but of believing a person which might have seen a God.
Ok, first one that I need to say is I think that believing of God (in Christianity mostly, and some others theistic conceptions) is able to get from another person. According to Bible there were some Apostles which have seen Christ, and they shared this view among the ones who didn't. Usually, we're not the ones who've seen God, but we believe that there are people who have. Whether it deals truly with Bible, or not, but I think that it's possible to see God. As long as God is omnipowerful being He's able to show Himself to someone. At least, I'd like to think that.
The second one is a possibility of God to show Himself through another person. If He did it through Christ (in Christianity), would He shown Himself through another person? According to Quran the mortals cannot have seen Allah. But, for circumstances, let's suppose that God may shown through another person. And let's suppose that doing or acting through another person is for the person to see God. Therefore, in case if God would been acting through a person, He had shown Himself to him.
So, we can imagine that there is a person who might have seen a God.
This person tells us "I did see a God".
What questions would you ask this person to check whether or not he had told you the truth? Where are the limits of your believing the person's words?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 31, 2019 22:45:01 GMT
Well, in my religion God is a spirit and so we cannot see Him. So right now my God who goes by many names like Jesus, Jehovah, Emmanuel, etc. is in His real Spirit form. We cannot see His real form or we die because of our sin nature. Only spirit forms can sew spirit forms. So when angels who are spirits wanted to deliver a message to us then they transformed into a person (took on flesh) and God did the same when He needed to go to earth and so He became flesh. But when leaving earth they're back in normal form which is spirit. Flesh was only created for earth. There is a natural body and a spiritual body the bible says. Natural body (flesh) is for living on earth and spiritual body for after we die here. After the world ends then no more will exist in flesh. We will all be in spiritual form like God and angels. But Jesus/God will come back again it says in flesh form as people saw Him go. He can't come back any other way because we will die if He doesn't come in flesh. But He will come in the same way the bible says so same exact flesh He took before with nail holes and all. Only He can come in that form so will show consistency and truth to His words. It says God won't return again until He comes for His own so anyone saying they saw God now, I won't believe them. They can only see angels or demons in a form not God, unless maybe in a vision or dream because second coming will be big and we won't miss it. Those are my thoughts here.
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 31, 2019 23:15:06 GMT
This is answered in Deuteronomy 18:21-22.
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Post by prophettom on Feb 4, 2019 18:02:34 GMT
I wanted to start the theme about the limits of believing itself, but instead I'd try to develop it partially. I want to concentrate on not on the whole problem of believing, but of believing a person which might have seen a God.Ok, first one that I need to say is I think that believing of God (in Christianity mostly, and some others theistic conceptions) is able to get from another person. According to Bible there were some Apostles which have seen Christ, and they shared this view among the ones who didn't. Usually, we're not the ones who've seen God, but we believe that there are people who have. Whether it deals truly with Bible, or not, but I think that it's possible to see God. As long as God is omnipowerful being He's able to show Himself to someone. At least, I'd like to think that.
The second one is a possibility of God to show Himself through another person. If He did it through Christ (in Christianity), would He shown Himself through another person? According to Quran the mortals cannot have seen Allah. But, for circumstances, let's suppose that God may shown through another person. And let's suppose that doing or acting through another person is for the person to see God. Therefore, in case if God would been acting through a person, He had shown Himself to him.So, we can imagine that there is a person who might have seen a God. This person tells us "I did see a God".What questions would you ask this person to check whether or not he had told you the truth? Where are the limits of your believing the person's words? They fall back on whatever belief system they been taught to follow. When what God wants them to learn does not line up with what they expected to hear. They call you false and a liar in their hearts. I have heard God not seen.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 4, 2019 22:02:25 GMT
ElizabethSo, how to divide the true Christ, from a liar? Should we use some logical procedure to recognize Jesus? I used to ask myself about it many years ago. I didn't get an answer. I think I would follow by a heart. I don't know the answer. I think we can use the Paul's arguments from 2 Thessalonians, that is more commonly right to hold to the present laws, without deeply intuitions. The same views now is under the consequentalism different types.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 4, 2019 22:08:09 GMT
I wanted to start the theme about the limits of believing itself, but instead I'd try to develop it partially. I want to concentrate on not on the whole problem of believing, but of believing a person which might have seen a God.Ok, first one that I need to say is I think that believing of God (in Christianity mostly, and some others theistic conceptions) is able to get from another person. According to Bible there were some Apostles which have seen Christ, and they shared this view among the ones who didn't. Usually, we're not the ones who've seen God, but we believe that there are people who have. Whether it deals truly with Bible, or not, but I think that it's possible to see God. As long as God is omnipowerful being He's able to show Himself to someone. At least, I'd like to think that.
The second one is a possibility of God to show Himself through another person. If He did it through Christ (in Christianity), would He shown Himself through another person? According to Quran the mortals cannot have seen Allah. But, for circumstances, let's suppose that God may shown through another person. And let's suppose that doing or acting through another person is for the person to see God. Therefore, in case if God would been acting through a person, He had shown Himself to him.So, we can imagine that there is a person who might have seen a God. This person tells us "I did see a God".What questions would you ask this person to check whether or not he had told you the truth? Where are the limits of your believing the person's words? They fall back on whatever belief system they been taught to follow. When what God wants them to learn does not line up with what they expected to hear. They call you false and a liar in their hearts. I have heard God not seen. But it's my duty to check whether or not a shouting man tells the truth. Surely, they can say nothing unusual, or they can just keep pretending that they've seen God. I don't know, so I need to check. How will you check it? How to find that his words sound? Let's imagine that a person did see God. What then? How should the person behave?
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 22:56:27 GMT
They fall back on whatever belief system they been taught to follow. When what God wants them to learn does not line up with what they expected to hear. They call you false and a liar in their hearts. I have heard God not seen. But it's my duty to check whether or not a shouting man tells the truth. Surely, they can say nothing unusual, or they can just keep pretending that they've seen God. I don't know, so I need to check. How will you check it? How to find that his words sound? Let's imagine that a person did see God. What then? How should the person behave? Easy to test the person. If that people says he saw Jesus then ask what Jesus told him. If it contradicts what Jesus said in the bible then it's not from Jesus. Jesus said to test people like that so we know. So if a person says Jesus told me to steal this watch then I'd say well that wasn't Jesus because Jesus would say the opposite. So anything evil that someone says to do will automatically be not from God if they said Jesus said to do it. 3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
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Post by prophettom on Feb 4, 2019 23:59:14 GMT
They fall back on whatever belief system they been taught to follow. When what God wants them to learn does not line up with what they expected to hear. They call you false and a liar in their hearts. I have heard God not seen. But it's my duty to check whether or not a shouting man tells the truth. Surely, they can say nothing unusual, or they can just keep pretending that they've seen God. I don't know, so I need to check. How will you check it? How to find that his words sound? Let's imagine that a person did see God. What then? How should the person behave? I can only say no you should not just take these things on blind faith. That people do has a lot to do with why this world is so wretched. I normally Tell people when i teach them about why their religion is fallen to look in the laws and judgments. Than it just progresses from their about what all religion has wrong. So no do not take the word of anyone. Research what they teach. I happen to Teach against Religion. Most think that makes me evil. But it is a odd thing is it not that i get called evil for proving to them the evils they harbor as holy in those holy books pages. I have posted ample evidence for my claims. You just have to read my Forum threads to learn. To see the evil and denounce those religions as holy is to beat the mark of the beast. To think any of them is pure and holy is to take the mark of the beast. Because you do not yet understand the depths that evil can go to deceive and kill. That's a valuable life lesson for those destined to be eternal. We all are so destined.
Shouting is a sign of passion and anger too. You can not determine based on the passion a man that has met God as evil. You are pure driven. We all know a kind word can be heard best. But a less than kind word that needs said is not always met with the warmth of the truth it is. So we take up battle too. Shouting is only proof of passion for what they are saying.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 5, 2019 0:12:26 GMT
prophettom - I didn't get it, honestly. I don't think I have to become a prophet for people. I have nothing to say them. Let 'em to read Bible, it, I guess, will be alright. The idea of "not claiming holiness of any religion" is a good sign, while to do it - wrongly, since people don't know for sure about the evil, and good. But we won't know the good, and the evil. This principle was found by G. Moore in his "Principia Ethica", in 1903. He called it "Natural fallacy". We can put into a sentence "The good is ..." anything, but never get close to decision, because we either won't be agree on it being impossible to do constantly researches for eons, or putting something in the sentence will be check it by its formal determinations which are beyond any intentional context inside it. It was time I was a believer, then when I had fallen into love with one special (for me) woman, I stopped believing. Recently, I've been back again to be a believer. I know that time isn't much, so I need to teach myself to love people. ...What can I say more?
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Post by prophettom on Feb 5, 2019 14:12:20 GMT
prophettom - I didn't get it, honestly. I don't think I have to become a prophet for people. I have nothing to say them. Let 'em to read Bible, it, I guess, will be alright. The idea of "not claiming holiness of any religion" is a good sign, while to do it - wrongly, since people don't know for sure about the evil, and good. But we won't know the good, and the evil. This principle was found by G. Moore in his "Principia Ethica", in 1903. He called it "Natural fallacy". We can put into a sentence "The good is ..." anything, but never get close to decision, because we either won't be agree on it being impossible to do constantly researches for eons, or putting something in the sentence will be check it by its formal determinations which are beyond any intentional context inside it. It was time I was a believer, then when I had fallen into love with one special (for me) woman, I stopped believing. Recently, I've been back again to be a believer. I know that time isn't much, so I need to teach myself to love people. ...What can I say more? Religious books have lead to more practiced evil than any other creation on this earth for Humanity. We know right from wrong. We just tend to be blinded by real magical power. Unfortunately for those of this earth. That power is wielded by lessor Gods to deceive you into believing in the laws of false peace first. Those laws are found all through out religious books. Most of them can be avoided by just simply eliminating death from the judgments. Or anything that puts anyone else as a slave to another. To stop the abuses of labors as well as slaveries. As far as kind actions Done by those before me. They may have had a kind hand and a sweet mouth but venom was in those words. Just like when Jesus endorsed the Laws of Moses holy even over himself by asking the Leapor that had just been cured to go to the priest and tell him of the Commandments given to Moses. Empowering a great evil law of false peace. That serpent is subtle and you need to be knowing to follow those religions is a fall. They lead you in the end to think Hell and Death are the best answer to peace. Making you in truth worship hell best first. So first comes the darkness. I am not of that Darkness I am of the light to revealing it as the darkness it truly is.
Yeah true Prophets like me did not choose to be a prophet. God was the one that chose me. So those who choose self or are given it as a gift for their desire to serve a religion are of the books that are in fact the leading to all of humanity to worship hell and death first as I described above. It is far better to not do that. so do it not is good advice.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 8, 2019 15:46:45 GMT
prophettom a. The last paragraph is... making me speechless. b. If you're a prophet, what is your prophecy? c. Why do you think God, but not Devil, has sent you to the Earth surface?
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Post by prophettom on Feb 8, 2019 18:36:13 GMT
prophettom a. The last paragraph is... making me speechless. b. If you're a prophet, what is your prophecy? c. Why do you think God, but not Devil, has sent you to the Earth surface? Because I am the one pointing out the evil in things once thought holy. All others called those evil things found in those books holy. It is that simple. It does not make me evil to point out were the evil is hidden in written word. It makes me the prophet that reveals these evils hidden in the pages of those books. And revealing the true mark of the beast. That includes my understanding revelations. To separate the chaff from the wheat.
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Post by karl on Feb 8, 2019 21:04:48 GMT
I wanted to start the theme about the limits of believing itself, but instead I'd try to develop it partially. I want to concentrate on not on the whole problem of believing, but of believing a person which might have seen a God.Ok, first one that I need to say is I think that believing of God (in Christianity mostly, and some others theistic conceptions) is able to get from another person. According to Bible there were some Apostles which have seen Christ, and they shared this view among the ones who didn't. Usually, we're not the ones who've seen God, but we believe that there are people who have. Whether it deals truly with Bible, or not, but I think that it's possible to see God. As long as God is omnipowerful being He's able to show Himself to someone. At least, I'd like to think that.
The second one is a possibility of God to show Himself through another person. If He did it through Christ (in Christianity), would He shown Himself through another person? According to Quran the mortals cannot have seen Allah. But, for circumstances, let's suppose that God may shown through another person. And let's suppose that doing or acting through another person is for the person to see God. Therefore, in case if God would been acting through a person, He had shown Himself to him.So, we can imagine that there is a person who might have seen a God. This person tells us "I did see a God".What questions would you ask this person to check whether or not he had told you the truth? Where are the limits of your believing the person's words? If anyone tells me he/she has seen a God, I'd be curious to know what came out of this alleged encounter, what this divine being stated, if anything, and what psychlogical impact the episode had on the person in question. Beyond that, I'm not really interested.
Similarly, if I hear about telepathy, UFO sightings, speaking to the dead, or whatever in the vast category of the unexplained, I generally react with indifference, but principally remain an agnostic in relation to what I may neither verify, nor falsify. When I have no real way of investigating whether something is true or not, I loose interest and put my focus where it could actually be useful.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 9, 2019 20:06:29 GMT
prophettom a. The last paragraph is... making me speechless. b. If you're a prophet, what is your prophecy? c. Why do you think God, but not Devil, has sent you to the Earth surface? Because I am the one pointing out the evil in things once thought holy. All others called those evil things found in those books holy. It is that simple. It does not make me evil to point out were the evil is hidden in written word. It makes me the prophet that reveals these evils hidden in the pages of those books. And revealing the true mark of the beast. That includes my understanding revelations. To separate the chaff from the wheat. It's kool - to have a solid criterion to everyth'ng. It's like having a key to th'all doors that you see. Open locks as softly as an oiled bread. What on Earth should such the truth be?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 9, 2019 20:42:19 GMT
I wanted to start the theme about the limits of believing itself, but instead I'd try to develop it partially. I want to concentrate on not on the whole problem of believing, but of believing a person which might have seen a God.Ok, first one that I need to say is I think that believing of God (in Christianity mostly, and some others theistic conceptions) is able to get from another person. According to Bible there were some Apostles which have seen Christ, and they shared this view among the ones who didn't. Usually, we're not the ones who've seen God, but we believe that there are people who have. Whether it deals truly with Bible, or not, but I think that it's possible to see God. As long as God is omnipowerful being He's able to show Himself to someone. At least, I'd like to think that.
The second one is a possibility of God to show Himself through another person. If He did it through Christ (in Christianity), would He shown Himself through another person? According to Quran the mortals cannot have seen Allah. But, for circumstances, let's suppose that God may shown through another person. And let's suppose that doing or acting through another person is for the person to see God. Therefore, in case if God would been acting through a person, He had shown Himself to him.So, we can imagine that there is a person who might have seen a God. This person tells us "I did see a God".What questions would you ask this person to check whether or not he had told you the truth? Where are the limits of your believing the person's words? If anyone tells me he/she has seen a God, I'd be curious to know what came out of this alleged encounter, what this divine being stated, if anything, and what psychlogical impact the episode had on the person in question. Beyond that, I'm not really interested.
Similarly, if I hear about telepathy, UFO sightings, speaking to the dead, or whatever in the vast category of the unexplained, I generally react with indifference, but principally remain an agnostic in relation to what I may neither verify, nor falsify. When I have no real way of investigating whether something is true or not, I loose interest and put my focus where it could actually be useful.
Could the psychological impact be a sign of a God? What makes some people to be behave strangely? 4 example, a. (A person knows that if) he acts himself like a person having seen a God b. And talks about this c. (then) He certainly will be shot. But, d. The person does not want to be shot However, if (a&b)vd Logically, it is c So, what can we say about this person? If contradictions push him to something weird, then God barely exists?
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