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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 17:28:12 GMT
Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
fur·long /ˈfərˌlôNG/ noun noun: furlong; plural noun: furlongs
an eighth of a mile, 220 yards.
So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. so if you know that a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. so that is the size of it cubed
Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES!! that is the size of a real cubit..
Genesis 6:14-15
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits
If you apply that to the said size of the arc you learn that it could have not even fit on the earth. The size of a cubit is 2,291.67 MILES
as proven above.
That makes the arc 300 cubits long, so 300 X 2,291.67 = 687,501 MILES LONG!
50 cubits wide, So 50 X 2,291.67 = 114,583.5 MILES WIDE
30 cubits high. So that is 30 X 2,291.67 = 68,750 MILES HIGH! That flood never happened and is a Devils deceit. Love Prophet Tom.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 18:54:26 GMT
But either way based on this evidence you do have to admit there are lies being found in a place that many thinks has none. So if there was a flood there is no way a cubit as defined here could even fit. it is less than 300,000 miles to the moon! So that said the math is solid. and if you say okay it is the length from tip of middle finger to elbow than this was a lie. Please show me anywhere in this book that says a cubit is from elbow to middle finger, this was the only place i found that makes it clear from a solid math calculation based on what is written.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 19, 2019 19:41:19 GMT
Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. fur·long /ˈfərˌlôNG/ noun noun: furlong; plural noun: furlongs
an eighth of a mile, 220 yards.
So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. so if you know that a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. so that is the size of it cubed Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES!! that is the size of a real cubit.. Genesis 6:14-15
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits
If you apply that to the said size of the arc you learn that it could have not even fit on the earth. The size of a cubit is 2,291.67 MILES
as proven above. That makes the arc 300 cubits long, so 300 X 2,291.67 = 687,501 MILES LONG!
50 cubits wide, So 50 X 2,291.67 = 114,583.5 MILES WIDE 30 cubits high. So that is 30 X 2,291.67 = 68,750 MILES HIGH! That flood never happened and is a Devils deceit. Love Prophet Tom. Tom.. You gave the definition of a furlong which is 220 yards... and Revelation 21:13 says the length and breadth of the city is 12,000 furlongs.. why would you take the number of yards and divide it by 8? You should be breaking down the yards into feet... look, 2,640,000 yards x 3(because there is 3 feet in a yard) = 7,920,000 feet.. 7,920,000/5,280 = 1,500 miles because there are 5,280 feet in a mile. So the city is 1,500 miles in length and breadth.. not 330,000 miles Okay, then you quote Revelation 21:17 which says the measure of the wall is 144 cubits, the measure is the height. So the wall's height is 144 cubits. But then, for some spectacular reason you decide to take that 330,000 miles and divide it by 144... and call it the real size of a cubit ... There are two different cubit sizes, 17.48 inches and 20.83 inches. Okay, so then you quote Genesis 6:14-15 and you take your wild calculation of what the measure of a cubit is and apply it to the measurements of the ark... but if we take the larger measure of a cubit, 20.83 inches, and apply it to the measurements given for the size of the ark, it comes out to 520.75 feet in length, about 87 feet in breadth, and 52 feet in height... here is the math for that... 300 cubits x 20.83 inches = 6249 inches /12 feet(because there are 12 inches in a foot) = 520.75 feet in length... 50 cubits x 20.83 inches = 1041.5 inches/12 = 86.79 feet in breadth.... and 30 cubits x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches/12 = 52.075 feet in height. I'm not a math wiz either, this is literally elementary level math. I'm hoping you're just making an honest mistake.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
prophettom you do know that many civilizations across the world report a giant flood right? It is written in history when you study the people of the past. And the ship was giant. Of course, it can carry all that it had on it. It took a very long time to build it anyway and had to have precise measurements to fit all that needed to go on it. Plus it has several levels. It was stacked up tall, was wide, and was long. Titanic looks like a shame compared to the ark.
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Post by ilx85 on Jan 19, 2019 20:58:32 GMT
One furlong is 220 yards, which you converted proper but then kept as furlongs instead of yards. You should have then divided it by 1,760 yards (which is 1 mile). This equates to 1,500 miles. Otherwise, you can just take 12,000 furlongs (as is) and divide that by 8 (being 1/8th of a mile) which also equates to 1,500 miles.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cubit This is an old and unreliable method to measure length, much as the old English measurement system is/has been said to have based on a king's body parts (finger, arm, foot, etc). A cubit is just the length of one's fingertips to elbow. The rest of your math is based on an idea that a cube mentioned in Revelations is what is meant by a cubit. It would be 330,000 times 144, as it's not a conversion but a measurement of a wall based in cubits. You also already defined what the cubit was a moment ago: 330,000 miles. Also, no, I'm not changing numbers; I'm showing you where your math went wrong with your numbers.These would be correct, if you had correctly determined what a cubit was.
Cubit length: between 444 and 529.2 mm (17.48 and 20.83 in). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit (bad form to use Wikipedia, but I'm being lazy) 1 foot = 12 inches When converting up, you divide; when converting down, you multiply. Inches to feet is going from a smaller unit of measure to a larger unit of measure so you divide.
300 x 20.83 inches = 6,249 inches 6,249 inches ÷ 12 = 520.75 feet
50 x 20.83 inches = 1,041.5 inches 1,041.5 inches ÷ 12 = 86.79 feet
30 x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches 624.9 inches ÷ 12 = 52.075 feet www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic/
| Ark | Titanic | Length(ft) | 520.75 | 850 (perpendicular) | Beam/Width(ft) | 86.79 | 92 | Height | 52.075 | 175 (87.5) |
Even adjusting roughly (by half) for the exhaust stack height measurement used for the Titanic, the Titanic still dwarfs the Ark. It's even mentioned that the boat deck of the Titanic was 60 feet above the waterline, still higher than that of the Ark.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 21:25:27 GMT
Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. fur·long /ˈfərˌlôNG/ noun noun: furlong; plural noun: furlongs
an eighth of a mile, 220 yards.
So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. so if you know that a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. so that is the size of it cubed Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES!! that is the size of a real cubit.. Genesis 6:14-15
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits
If you apply that to the said size of the arc you learn that it could have not even fit on the earth. The size of a cubit is 2,291.67 MILES
as proven above. That makes the arc 300 cubits long, so 300 X 2,291.67 = 687,501 MILES LONG!
50 cubits wide, So 50 X 2,291.67 = 114,583.5 MILES WIDE 30 cubits high. So that is 30 X 2,291.67 = 68,750 MILES HIGH! That flood never happened and is a Devils deceit. Love Prophet Tom. Tom.. You gave the definition of a furlong which is 220 yards... and Revelation 21:13 says the length and breadth of the city is 12,000 furlongs.. why would you take the number of yards and divide it by 8? You should be breaking down the yards into feet... look, 2,640,000 yards x 3(because there is 3 feet in a yard) = 7,920,000 feet.. 7,920,000/5,280 = 1,500 miles because there are 5,280 feet in a mile. So the city is 1,500 miles in length and breadth.. not 330,000 miles Okay, then you quote Revelation 21:17 which says the measure of the wall is 144 cubits, the measure is the height. So the wall's height is 144 cubits. But then, for some spectacular reason you decide to take that 330,000 miles and divide it by 144... and call it the real size of a cubit ... There are two different cubit sizes, 17.48 inches and 20.83 inches. Okay, so then you quote Genesis 6:14-15 and you take your wild calculation of what the measure of a cubit is and apply it to the measurements of the ark... but if we take the larger measure of a cubit, 20.83 inches, and apply it to the measurements given for the size of the ark, it comes out to 520.75 feet in length, about 87 feet in breadth, and 52 feet in height... here is the math for that... 300 cubits x 20.83 inches = 6249 inches /12 feet(because there are 12 inches in a foot) = 520.75 feet in length... 50 cubits x 20.83 inches = 1041.5 inches/12 = 86.79 feet in breadth.... and 30 cubits x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches/12 = 52.075 feet in height. I'm not a math wiz either, this is literally elementary level math. I'm hoping you're just making an honest mistake. Okay I know who confuses your mind. but we get the measurement of the wall in furlongs here. Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. So like I said I took furlongs and converted them to miles knowing the exact length of a furlong.
Now the very next verse give the exact same wall in measurements of cubits This is a biblical cubit.
Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
So these two verses are the same wall. So simple math reveals the true measure of a cubit. So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES! That is the only place I ever found in any biblical writing that actually gives you a solid path to what a cubit is.
I am aware of a mans cubit from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Making a way to measure that makes the size of that arc work. My point given that measurement you are right. That is the measure of man. Makes the arc story work. But my math was not derived from a guess from man about what a cubit is. Mine came straight out of the book you says holds no lies. It is for the man that is of angel to understand. It says so right in the verse. So i have defined it as I am that kind of man. So if you can show me where in ANY religious book where a cubit is clearly definable from within its own contents. I will accept that the one in revelations that is definable with a little discernment as a lie. But either way you know one of these is a lie. Once you can figure out there are lies than you can start to see clearer why these things are a mark of the beast. So it is arguable as well that this is the cubit of space and of God. But when you realize I am the only one that has ever revealed it. Than you must deduce that I am of God and helping you find where the lies are in the written word that deceive and lead to wrong doings in religious things that were said to have no evil in them but clearly do. So show me where a holy books defines a cubit in the way you were taught. Over the proof I have given about where my measurement of a cubit came from.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 21:40:28 GMT
prophettom you do know that many civilizations across the world report a giant flood right? It is written in history when you study the people of the past. And the ship was giant. Of course, it can carry all that it had on it. It took a very long time to build it anyway and had to have precise measurements to fit all that needed to go on it. Plus it has several levels. It was stacked up tall, was wide, and was long. Titanic looks like a shame compared to the ark. Yeah the point here is one of these things are a lie. The fallen gods and angels do know how to make a lie seem more real than the truth. Yes it took 100 years. As you know I do math when I read. I am very detail oriented in these things. The Devil is always in the details. Yeah I know all about what man teach too. But here is what i want to help you see about that. Okay I know who confuses your mind. but we get the measurement of the wall in furlongs here. Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. So like I said I took furlongs and converted them to miles knowing the exact length of a furlong. Now the very next verse give the exact same wall in measurements of cubits This is a biblical cubit. Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. So these two verses are the same wall. So simple math reveals the true measure of a cubit. So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES! That is the only place I ever found in any biblical writing that actually gives you a solid path to what a cubit is. I am aware of a mans cubit from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Making a way to measure that makes the size of that arc work. My point given that measurement you are right. That is the measure of man. Makes the arc story work. But my math was not derived from a guess from man about what a cubit is. Mine came straight out of the book you says holds no lies. It is for the man that is of angel to understand. It says so right in the verse. So i have defined it as I am that kind of man. So if you can show me where in ANY religious book where a cubit is clearly definable from within its own contents. I will accept that the one in revelations that is definable with a little discernment as a lie. But either way you know one of these is a lie. Once you can figure out there are lies than you can start to see clearer why these things are a mark of the beast. So it is arguable as well that this is the cubit of space and of God. But when you realize I am the only one that has ever revealed it. Than you must deduce that I am of God and helping you find where the lies are in the written word that deceive and lead to wrong doings in religious things that were said to have no evil in them but clearly do. So show me where a holy books defines a cubit in the way you were taught. Over the proof I have given about where my measurement of a cubit came from. But either thing you do will prove there are great big lies that lead to evil deeds in all of it! It will prove no matter what their are lies or the unseen truth about it. So is the discernment of man a lie with theory and no proof of how that measurement is achieved? Or is the one in revelations that has for the first time to be revealed by a prophet the lie? Mine came from the book in logical math determination. Provable with in the book that revealed that unit of measure as used always. I have never seen mans size of a cubit defined in any verse. Only in dictionaries trying to make it fit to what we know would work on this earth. So which one is a real Cubit? I know how often the flood is talked about. But I also know water is symbolic to the people in those books. We certainly have had a flood of people here many times over. I say Gopher wood is a Holey story and not holy at all
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 21:49:04 GMT
Would you really rather believe God who is kind and loving flooded it? Or would you rather believe a kind and loving God did not and Devils lied about it. Either standard you use proves there is a lie. Mine is precise and of Man that is of Angel. Remember I have the spoken judgment of God under my belt. Have to deal with pissed of Devils about it Directly. So which do you think reveals the lies of devils speaking blasphemies against God? Please wake up.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 22:21:51 GMT
One furlong is 220 yards, which you converted proper but then kept as furlongs instead of yards. You should have then divided it by 1,760 yards (which is 1 mile). This equates to 1,500 miles. Otherwise, you can just take 12,000 furlongs (as is) and divide that by 8 (being 1/8th of a mile) which also equates to 1,500 miles.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cubit This is an old and unreliable method to measure length, much as the old English measurement system is/has been said to have based on a king's body parts (finger, arm, foot, etc). A cubit is just the length of one's fingertips to elbow. The rest of your math is based on an idea that a cube mentioned in Revelations is what is meant by a cubit. It would be 330,000 times 144, as it's not a conversion but a measurement of a wall based in cubits. You also already defined what the cubit was a moment ago: 330,000 miles. Also, no, I'm not changing numbers; I'm showing you where your math went wrong with your numbers.These would be correct, if you had correctly determined what a cubit was.
Cubit length: between 444 and 529.2 mm (17.48 and 20.83 in). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit (bad form to use Wikipedia, but I'm being lazy) 1 foot = 12 inches When converting up, you divide; when converting down, you multiply. Inches to feet is going from a smaller unit of measure to a larger unit of measure so you divide.
300 x 20.83 inches = 6,249 inches 6,249 inches ÷ 12 = 520.75 feet
50 x 20.83 inches = 1,041.5 inches 1,041.5 inches ÷ 12 = 86.79 feet
30 x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches 624.9 inches ÷ 12 = 52.075 feet www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic/
| Ark | Titanic | Length(ft) | 520.75 | 850 (perpendicular) | Beam/Width(ft) | 86.79 | 92 | Height | 52.075 | 175 (87.5) |
Even adjusting roughly (by half) for the exhaust stack height measurement used for the Titanic, the Titanic still dwarfs the Ark. It's even mentioned that the boat deck of the Titanic was 60 feet above the waterline, still higher than that of the Ark. Tom.. You gave the definition of a furlong which is 220 yards... and Revelation 21:13 says the length and breadth of the city is 12,000 furlongs.. why would you take the number of yards and divide it by 8? You should be breaking down the yards into feet... look, 2,640,000 yards x 3(because there is 3 feet in a yard) = 7,920,000 feet.. 7,920,000/5,280 = 1,500 miles because there are 5,280 feet in a mile. So the city is 1,500 miles in length and breadth.. not 330,000 miles Okay, then you quote Revelation 21:17 which says the measure of the wall is 144 cubits, the measure is the height. So the wall's height is 144 cubits. But then, for some spectacular reason you decide to take that 330,000 miles and divide it by 144... and call it the real size of a cubit ... There are two different cubit sizes, 17.48 inches and 20.83 inches. Okay, so then you quote Genesis 6:14-15 and you take your wild calculation of what the measure of a cubit is and apply it to the measurements of the ark... but if we take the larger measure of a cubit, 20.83 inches, and apply it to the measurements given for the size of the ark, it comes out to 520.75 feet in length, about 87 feet in breadth, and 52 feet in height... here is the math for that... 300 cubits x 20.83 inches = 6249 inches /12 feet(because there are 12 inches in a foot) = 520.75 feet in length... 50 cubits x 20.83 inches = 1041.5 inches/12 = 86.79 feet in breadth.... and 30 cubits x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches/12 = 52.075 feet in height. I'm not a math wiz either, this is literally elementary level math. I'm hoping you're just making an honest mistake. Okay I know who confuses your mind. but we get the measurement of the wall in furlongs here. Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. So like I said I took furlongs and converted them to miles knowing the exact length of a furlong.
Now the very next verse give the exact same wall in measurements of cubits This is a biblical cubit.
Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
So these two verses are the same wall. So simple math reveals the true measure of a cubit. So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES! That is the only place I ever found in any biblical writing that actually gives you a solid path to what a cubit is.
I am aware of a mans cubit from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Making a way to measure that makes the size of that arc work. My point given that measurement you are right. That is the measure of man. Makes the arc story work. But my math was not derived from a guess from man about what a cubit is. Mine came straight out of the book you says holds no lies. It is for the man that is of angel to understand. It says so right in the verse. So i have defined it as I am that kind of man. So if you can show me where in ANY religious book where a cubit is clearly definable from within its own contents. I will accept that the one in revelations that is definable with a little discernment as a lie. But either way you know one of these is a lie. Once you can figure out there are lies than you can start to see clearer why these things are a mark of the beast. So it is arguable as well that this is the cubit of space and of God. But when you realize I am the only one that has ever revealed it. Than you must deduce that I am of God and helping you find where the lies are in the written word that deceive and lead to wrong doings in religious things that were said to have no evil in them but clearly do. So show me where a holy books defines a cubit in the way you were taught. Over the proof I have given about where my measurement of a cubit came from.
hmm i see the mistake yes. Thank you So you are right
12,000 divided by 8 is 1,500 MILES for each wall So than you take that and divide by the 144 and you get 10.42 miles that makes a cubit 10.42 miles. I had a math error for sure. But so do you
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 22:40:55 GMT
There is a honest math mistake. For they do try and confuse me still also. However i am still do not agree about the arc. so it is true 12,000Divided by 8 = 1,500 yes I agree. So it is in fact 1,500 miles per wall so now we have it in miles. Now we can take that and divide it by the 144 to get a cubit for this is the same wall measured in cubits. 1,500 miles divided by 144= 10.42 MILES! That is no where near the size of elbow to tip of middle finger. so with that correction lets look again. Thank you for the help. we now have a cubit in miles still however. 300 X 10.42 = 3,126 MILES LONG! Still massive! 50 X 10.42 = 521 MILES WIDE! 30 X 10.42 = 312.6 MILES HIGH! How could the bottom structure possibly hold the weight of all that? I am no engineer but I do not think it can. So what do you want to believe here? That the flood happened? God did this evil thing? Or that the Devils told a lie to make you believe in blasphemies of God for what they did? I do not see how that could support itself do you?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 19, 2019 22:45:26 GMT
Tom.. You gave the definition of a furlong which is 220 yards... and Revelation 21:13 says the length and breadth of the city is 12,000 furlongs.. why would you take the number of yards and divide it by 8? You should be breaking down the yards into feet... look, 2,640,000 yards x 3(because there is 3 feet in a yard) = 7,920,000 feet.. 7,920,000/5,280 = 1,500 miles because there are 5,280 feet in a mile. So the city is 1,500 miles in length and breadth.. not 330,000 miles Okay, then you quote Revelation 21:17 which says the measure of the wall is 144 cubits, the measure is the height. So the wall's height is 144 cubits. But then, for some spectacular reason you decide to take that 330,000 miles and divide it by 144... and call it the real size of a cubit ... There are two different cubit sizes, 17.48 inches and 20.83 inches. Okay, so then you quote Genesis 6:14-15 and you take your wild calculation of what the measure of a cubit is and apply it to the measurements of the ark... but if we take the larger measure of a cubit, 20.83 inches, and apply it to the measurements given for the size of the ark, it comes out to 520.75 feet in length, about 87 feet in breadth, and 52 feet in height... here is the math for that... 300 cubits x 20.83 inches = 6249 inches /12 feet(because there are 12 inches in a foot) = 520.75 feet in length... 50 cubits x 20.83 inches = 1041.5 inches/12 = 86.79 feet in breadth.... and 30 cubits x 20.83 inches = 624.9 inches/12 = 52.075 feet in height. I'm not a math wiz either, this is literally elementary level math. I'm hoping you're just making an honest mistake. Okay I know who confuses your mind. but we get the measurement of the wall in furlongs here. Revelations 21:13 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. So like I said I took furlongs and converted them to miles knowing the exact length of a furlong.
Now the very next verse give the exact same wall in measurements of cubits This is a biblical cubit.
Revelations 21:17 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
So these two verses are the same wall. So simple math reveals the true measure of a cubit. So 220yards X 12,000 = 2,640,000 furlongs long. a furlong is 1/8 of a mile you can take 2,640,000 Divided by 8 = 330,000 miles. So if you take 330,000 divide that by 144 you get 2,291.67 MILES! That is the only place I ever found in any biblical writing that actually gives you a solid path to what a cubit is.
I am aware of a mans cubit from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Making a way to measure that makes the size of that arc work. My point given that measurement you are right. That is the measure of man. Makes the arc story work. But my math was not derived from a guess from man about what a cubit is. Mine came straight out of the book you says holds no lies. It is for the man that is of angel to understand. It says so right in the verse. So i have defined it as I am that kind of man. So if you can show me where in ANY religious book where a cubit is clearly definable from within its own contents. I will accept that the one in revelations that is definable with a little discernment as a lie. But either way you know one of these is a lie. Once you can figure out there are lies than you can start to see clearer why these things are a mark of the beast. So it is arguable as well that this is the cubit of space and of God. But when you realize I am the only one that has ever revealed it. Than you must deduce that I am of God and helping you find where the lies are in the written word that deceive and lead to wrong doings in religious things that were said to have no evil in them but clearly do. So show me where a holy books defines a cubit in the way you were taught. Over the proof I have given about where my measurement of a cubit came from. I'm afraid you are not reading the context of Revelation 21 correctly, Tom. Let's start at verse 9... 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. So, if we have an adequate comprehension of the context, we can clearly see that " he" is the angel that came up to John and talked with John. As we read through, we come to verse 17 where it says the angel measured the wall to be 144 cubits according to the measure of a man. When it says "that is, of the angel." it is not saying "that" is the man, John, but that "that" is the measurement because the measurement was done by the angel according to the context. I am not sure why the author would refer to a man as a "that" instead of a "who", seems a bit degrading if you ask me. A furlong is 220 yards, 220 yards is 660 feet, which is .125 of a mile, or 1/8th of a mile. So we agree here. You quote Revelation 21:17, but nowhere in that verse does it say "this is the measurement of a cubit", just says "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."... it simply says the angel measured the wall's height at 144 cubits This isn't correct, Tom. 12,000 furlongs is the length and the breadth of the city. As we established, a furlong is 220 yards, so we take 12000 and multiply that by 220 and that gives us 2640000 furlongs, but to convert that into miles you have to convert the 2640000 furlongs into feet first. The way you are doing it, dividing by 8, isn't the correct way in finding how many miles are in 2640000 furlongs. I'll show you again... if you have 2640000 furlongs and each furlong is 220 yards, you don't solve for miles yet, you'd have to find out how many yards in are in a mile first which is 1760 yards and an 8th of that(dividing it by 8) is 220 yards. So, 1760 yards are in a mile, now we can convert using yards.. 2640000 furlongs divided by 1760 yards is 1500 miles. Do you follow? There is no defined measurement of a cubit in a religious book, but so what? Cubits were used as a form of measurement all the way up to the medieval era and beyond. Archeological discoveries have proven that there are two main different types of cubits; short and long. Culture | Inches
| Centimeters | Hebrew (short) | 17.5 | 44.5 | Egyptian | 17.6 | 44.7 | Common (short) | 18 | 45.7 | Babylonian (long) | 19.8 | 50.3 | Hebrew (long) | 20.4 | 51.8 | Egyptian (long) | 20.6 | 52.3 |
The length of a cubit was based on the distance from the elbow to the fingertips, so it isn't a "derived from a guess from man about what a cubit is", a guess would be what you have told us all here for what you think a cubit is based on the flawed mathematical calculations you have done You aren't, the measurement of a cubit was well known long before you or I were ever in existence on this planet Well, I can't because no religious book gives the exact measurement, as no culture in history used miles or inches until the United States came along they used cubits which we find written in history and in archeological discoveries as being the measurements I listed above The only thing you have shown so far is that you are using an eisegetical approach when you read scripture, and that your math skills need work
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 19, 2019 23:06:01 GMT
This verse here, while it doesn't tell us exactly what a cubit is, it does say "The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth". Now you have to wonder why it would say it is also a "hand breadth". The breadth of your hand is not miles long, is it Tom?
Ezekiel 43:13 And these are the measures of the altar after the cubits: The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth; even the bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit, and the border thereof by the edge thereof round about shall be a span: and this shall be the higher place of the altar.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 23:25:04 GMT
This verse here, while it doesn't tell us exactly what a cubit is, it does say "The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth". Now you have to wonder why it would say it is also a "hand breadth". The breadth of your hand is not miles long, is it Tom? Ezekiel 43:13 And these are the measures of the altar after the cubits: The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth; even the bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit, and the border thereof by the edge thereof round about shall be a span: and this shall be the higher place of the altar. yup and that would in fact make it 2 foot for me. There is no question there is a huge problem between this and the one in revelations. Which I corrected the math on. Thank you for that help. However i still got 10.42 miles rounded up.fell free to check it. so that makes the arc doable for sure by this measure that is 24 inches it is 20 inches from my elbow to my middle finger and 4 inches in the width of my hand. I do accept this as a valid description Like i said I would however it does not say a cubit is from elbow to tip of middle finger. and the 4 inches by the cubit i got out of revelations is well taken from scripture too so I don't see that 4 inches that important in a 10.42 mile cubit...
So to me this whole flood thing is a blaspheme against God told by Devils. He never did flood it and never will because how can he blame man for what Devils taught them in innocence and no history like we have now. So they knew he would never do that and made this entire story up. Read my correction post you will see.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 19, 2019 23:40:57 GMT
This verse here, while it doesn't tell us exactly what a cubit is, it does say "The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth". Now you have to wonder why it would say it is also a "hand breadth". The breadth of your hand is not miles long, is it Tom? Ezekiel 43:13 And these are the measures of the altar after the cubits: The cubit is a cubit and an hand breadth; even the bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit, and the border thereof by the edge thereof round about shall be a span: and this shall be the higher place of the altar. yup and that would in fact make it 2 foot for me. There is no question there is a huge problem between this and the one in revelations. Which I corrected the math on. Thank you for that help. However i still got 10.42 miles rounded up.fell free to check it. so that makes the arc doable for sure by this measure that is 24 inches it is 20 inches from my elbow to my middle finger and 4 inches in the width of my hand. I do accept this as a valid description Like i said I would however it does not say a cubit is from elbow to tip of middle finger. and the 4 inches by the cubit i got out of revelations is well taken from scripture too so I don't see that 4 inches that important in a 10.42 mile cubit...
So to me this whole flood thing is a blaspheme against God told by Devils. He never did flood it and never will because how can he blame man for what Devils taught them in innocence and no history like we have now. So they knew he would never do that and made this entire story up. Read my correction post you will see.
Okay, but it is more consistent to say that a cubit has to do with how long your arm or part of your arm is if Ezekiel 43:13 is saying a cubit is also the breadth of a hand than it is to do your math calculation for how long a cubit is. Your calculation theory is unreasonable/flawed as it is, it implies Revelations 21:17 is a secret math code for calculating the measurement of a cubit, but the context gives absolutely no hint at that, it only says the angel measured the wall at 144 cubits, it doesn't say "divide the length and breadth of the wall by the number of cubits and that's how long a cubit is", you're injecting something into the text at that point... apply your calculation for how long a cubit is to the measurements of everything else in the Bible that has measurements in cubits and none of it makes sense shoot, the Bible doesn't tell us how long a furlong is either but we see you using "a guess from man" to do your calculations What does make sense is using the discovered length of a cubit in archeology and historical records.
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Post by prophettom on Jan 19, 2019 23:52:41 GMT
yup and that would in fact make it 2 foot for me. There is no question there is a huge problem between this and the one in revelations. Which I corrected the math on. Thank you for that help. However i still got 10.42 miles rounded up.fell free to check it. so that makes the arc doable for sure by this measure that is 24 inches it is 20 inches from my elbow to my middle finger and 4 inches in the width of my hand. I do accept this as a valid description Like i said I would however it does not say a cubit is from elbow to tip of middle finger. and the 4 inches by the cubit i got out of revelations is well taken from scripture too so I don't see that 4 inches that important in a 10.42 mile cubit...
So to me this whole flood thing is a blaspheme against God told by Devils. He never did flood it and never will because how can he blame man for what Devils taught them in innocence and no history like we have now. So they knew he would never do that and made this entire story up. Read my correction post you will see.
Okay, but it is more consistent to say that a cubit has to do with how long your arm or part of your arm is if Ezekiel 43:13 is saying a cubit is also the breadth of a hand than it is to do your math calculation for how long a cubit is. Your calculation theory is unreasonable/flawed as it is, it implies Revelations 21:17 is a secret math code for calculating the measurement of a cubit, but the context gives absolutely no hint at that, it only says the angel measured the wall at 144 cubits, it doesn't say "divide the length and breadth of the wall by the number of cubits and that's how long a cubit is", you're injecting something into the text at that point... apply your calculation for how long a cubit is to the measurements of everything else in the Bible that has measurements in cubits and none of it makes sense shoot, the Bible doesn't tell us how long a furlong is either but we see you using "a guess from man" to do your calculations What does make sense is using the discovered length of a cubit in archeology and historical records. So you admit there is defiantly a lie in the book. either way. The corrected math in revelations shows it to be 10.42 miles. I am the one who has met God. I say fallen angels made that flood and blamed God. To blaspheme Gods image. So i can accept yours as a real cubit of man. it makes all that work sure. But one or the other is a lie! My math is now correct. about the one in revelations. So lies are being told in those books.
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