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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2019 6:01:24 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what?
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Post by karl on Jan 19, 2019 6:04:29 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? Yes, it exists as what enables change and consciousness, the latter being our experience of free will.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2019 6:08:00 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? Yes, it exists as what enables change and consciosness, the latter being our experience of free will. Do things really change though? Or just get renewed in like a cycle? We have people who get born and who die daily. It's like a cycle that repeats. But how do things work outside that cycle? Does time work there too?
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Post by karl on Jan 19, 2019 6:19:06 GMT
Yes, it exists as what enables change and consciosness, the latter being our experience of free will. Do things really change though? Or just get renewed in like a cycle? We have people who get born and who die daily. It's like a cycle that repeats. But how do things work outside that cycle? Does time work there too? The cycles are repetitions of themes, not exact repetitions of the same events. Two humans go through the same life cycle, but each person's life experience is still distinctly different. Just like how the history of each civilisation is unique, and yet may go through the same cycle, from birth, to conquest and expansion, to corruption, and eventual demise. If time had gone in a loop, it would have been an endless re-run of everything that has ever happened, and nothing new would ever occur.
Is there a time outside of our time? Have no idea, as I know of no way to imagine it.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 19, 2019 6:27:57 GMT
Do things really change though? Or just get renewed in like a cycle? We have people who get born and who die daily. It's like a cycle that repeats. But how do things work outside that cycle? Does time work there too? The cycles are repetitions of themes, not exact repetitions of the same events. Two humans go through the same life cycle, but each person's life experience is still distinctly different. Just like how the history of each civilisation is unique, and yet may go through the same cycle, from birth, to conquest and expansion, to corruption, and eventual demise. If time had gone in a loop, it would have been an endless re-run of everything that has ever happened, and nothing new would ever occur.
Is there a time outside of our time? Have no idea, as I know of no way to imagine it.
What if time only exists in our universe? Or what if our time is only a fraction of what is considered real time "out there"? Or you think time everywhere is the same and works the same as here? With all the different things in our universe already, I think things may not fully work as we see them work. Most planets rotate in one direction around our sun but 2 do not. Weather and years(time) already works differently on some far away planets as NASA observed. Is our time here only like the 2 planets which are not the big picture since we are just a small part in space? Or will it make sense if all worked the same everywhere?
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Post by karl on Jan 19, 2019 6:43:14 GMT
The cycles are repetitions of themes, not exact repetitions of the same events. Two humans go through the same life cycle, but each person's life experience is still distinctly different. Just like how the history of each civilisation is unique, and yet may go through the same cycle, from birth, to conquest and expansion, to corruption, and eventual demise. If time had gone in a loop, it would have been an endless re-run of everything that has ever happened, and nothing new would ever occur.
Is there a time outside of our time? Have no idea, as I know of no way to imagine it.
What if time only exists in our universe? Or what if our time is only a fraction of what is considered real time "out there"? Or you think time everywhere is the same and works the same as here? With all the different things in our universe already, I think things may not fully work as we see them work. Most planets rotate in one direction around our sun but 2 do not. Weather and years(time) already works differently on some far away planets as NASA observed. Is our time here only like the 2 planets which are not the big picture since we are just a small part in space? Or will it make sense if all worked the same everywhere?
There is nothing illogical about imagining a universe without a time, but that would be a universe in which nothing would ever happen. It would only exist as an entity we may theorise about, for no conscious being could ever actually experience it, since consciousness requires time.
Could time function differently other places in the universe, or maybe in some parallel universe? Sure. For example, if the speed of light is different in a parallel universe, then you'd have to travel at faster speeds before time starts to slow down considerably in relation to those you move relative to. (By the laws of Einstein's special relativity theory.)
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Post by jonbain on Jan 21, 2019 0:00:28 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? karluh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe)
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Post by karl on Jan 21, 2019 2:20:24 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? karl uh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe)
The time dilation formula you refer to in the video is a simplified one. The real one looks like this: t2 = (t1 - XV/(Csq))/(1-Vsq/Csq).
sq = squared
The XV/Csq is the key element for understanding why one states that what happens at the same time from the viewpoint of one observer, doesn't necessarily happen at the same time from the viewpoint of another observer. So, seemingly, a sequence of events changes order relative to the observer. Is there a logical way around this without violating the testable predictions of the formula? Well, yes, but only as an untestable ad-hoc theory. -Unless someone discovers a wormhole through spacetime. If the sequence of events is actually relative to the observe, a wormhole would allow for traveling back in time, but we don't know if wormholes are more than just a mathematical solution to Einstein's field equations. It's a bit like cosmic strings. They're a theoretical possibility, but that doesn't mean they are, or even could, be realised.
You videos and comment covered more than this, but I prefer addressing one thing at a time.
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Post by karl on Jan 21, 2019 2:26:12 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? karl uh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe)
I forgot one element in the formula:
t2 = (t1 - XV/(Csq))/root(1-Vsq/Csq).
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2019 3:51:15 GMT
...or is it just renewed? Or what? karluh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe) So you also believe there's this time that we're in plus a bigger or different time which we're a part of (meta time). How else is the other meta time dimension different from ours would you say?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2019 3:55:20 GMT
karl uh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe) The time dilation formula you refer to in the video is a simplified one. The real one looks like this: t2 = (t1 - XV/(Csq))/(1-Vsq/Csq).
sq = squared The XV/Csq is the key element for understanding why one states that what happens at the same time from the viewpoint of one observer, doesn't necessarily happen at the same time from the viewpoint of another observer. So, seemingly, a sequence of events changes order relative to the observer. Is there a logical way around this without violating the testable predictions of the formula? Well, yes, but only as an untestable ad-hoc theory. -Unless someone discovers a wormhole through spacetime. If the sequence of events is actually relative to the observe, a wormhole would allow for traveling back in time, but we don't know if wormholes are more than just a mathematical solution to Einstein's field equations. It's a bit like cosmic strings. They're a theoretical possibility, but that doesn't mean they are, or even could, be realised.
You videos and comment covered more than this, but I prefer addressing one thing at a time.
So you believe humans have the possibility to travel through time? As in there is a way still for humans to discover as to how.
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Post by karl on Jan 21, 2019 6:46:25 GMT
The time dilation formula you refer to in the video is a simplified one. The real one looks like this: t2 = (t1 - XV/(Csq))/(1-Vsq/Csq).
sq = squared The XV/Csq is the key element for understanding why one states that what happens at the same time from the viewpoint of one observer, doesn't necessarily happen at the same time from the viewpoint of another observer. So, seemingly, a sequence of events changes order relative to the observer. Is there a logical way around this without violating the testable predictions of the formula? Well, yes, but only as an untestable ad-hoc theory. -Unless someone discovers a wormhole through spacetime. If the sequence of events is actually relative to the observe, a wormhole would allow for traveling back in time, but we don't know if wormholes are more than just a mathematical solution to Einstein's field equations. It's a bit like cosmic strings. They're a theoretical possibility, but that doesn't mean they are, or even could, be realised.
You videos and comment covered more than this, but I prefer addressing one thing at a time.
So you believe humans have the possibility to travel through time? As in there is a way still for humans to discover as to how.
If you mean traveling back in time, then I personally don't think so. But Einstein's relativity theory leaves an opening for it. The mathematician Kurt Gödel showed that, according to the theory, one could travel back in time if the universe was rotating. -To which Einstein responded that the universe isn't rotating, so that's nothing to worry about. (Or something along those lines.) Another option is if you go near a rotating black hole. For a around such a black hole, space itself is in movement around it, and that allows for the possibility of traveling from one point to another faster than the speed of light, which also opens up for the possibility of traveling back in time. If one can find a way to produce a warp drive, then that's another option. Here's a video about it:
-Or, if one discovers a wormhole through spacetime, or is able to produce one.
So, there is solid theoretical basis for traveling back in time. However, just like how Newton's theory is still valid, but doesn't apply for high speeds or strong gravitational fields, Einsteins theory also has its limitations. One just doesn't know exactly what they are at this point. My guess is that when it's replaced by a larger theory, which Einstein himself saw as inevitable, the possibility for traveling back in time will disappear.
If you meant traveling forward in time, then that's surely a possibility. If you enter a spaceship and travel near the speed of light and come back to Earth after some years, people on Earth will have aged much more than yourself.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2019 13:30:12 GMT
So then time can be manipulated as well?
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Post by karl on Jan 22, 2019 5:43:27 GMT
So then time can be manipulated as well?
That's at least how it looks as it stands, and there is a physicist who is attempting to construct a machine that can communicate with the future, using light to curve space. I don't actually think this would work, for reasons I've given in my previous post, but he's basing his work on Einstein's theory. Here's an article about it:
Otherwise, as earlier mentioned, I personally only believe in traveling forward in time, relative to others.
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Post by jonbain on Jan 22, 2019 19:22:30 GMT
karl uh-oh. Karl said 'relativity'. Elizabeth said 'time'. This is my turf. Its fairly easy to conceptualize meta-time. That is, another dimension of time that is beyond and greater than our time. Consider a novelist who writes a book. She does not write it sequentially, but may begin in the middle, and finish writing the introduction last. So for God, who is the author of our world, time is very different than for us who are merely the characters moving from page 1 to page 2. The reader is also different, because he inhabits the book, but in another way, much like our spirits or souls are not identical with our physical bodies. The reader's mind need not imagine the details of the novel the same way as another reader. So it is easy to see how there are infinite dimensions of time intersecting. As for relativity, well, that is just a tall story, popular mythology: Easily disproven here: And as for the solar system and the planets, those run on perfectly ordered Planck-time: see here: (my own vids, so please subscribe) So you also believe there's this time that we're in plus a bigger or different time which we're a part of (meta time). How else is the other meta time dimension different from ours would you say? I cannot say whether the other dimensions of time exist. Can a character in a book know for certain of its author? All I am saying is that it can be conceptualized. So even if they do not exist, we may be able to fabricate them. But if we can do this, then how can we be certain that we ourselves are not part of such a fabrication. So the character in the book, can only know of the author, if the author specifically constructs him like that.
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