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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 30, 2017 22:25:31 GMT
What is the difference between being alive and truly living? What do you all think?
I will share my response later though xD
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Post by Mortimer on Oct 31, 2017 3:08:36 GMT
difficult question. i think its a feeling more then activities, some might do alot of activities but still feel as if they are not truly living others are content with less.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 31, 2017 8:50:55 GMT
Being alive to me just means that you are basically only breathing and maybe even wasting your life doing nothing. Actually living is when you do something in life and are not wasting it. XD
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Post by Manitas on Nov 29, 2017 5:21:42 GMT
In human Society, it is not okay. To the universe, there is no such thing as wrong.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 29, 2017 5:36:03 GMT
Being alive to me just means that you are basically only breathing and maybe even wasting your life doing nothing. Actually living is when you do something in life and are not wasting it. XD I agree! But I would add that one should leave behind, though small, but a mark in history! ))
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Post by marduk on Nov 29, 2017 7:31:49 GMT
What is the difference between being alive and truly living? What do you all think? well lets look at this from a biological standpoint all animals including us function based on pre determined instinct as a response to various scenarios an example being a baby knows and recognizes and reacts to a snake the moment the image of the snake hits the eye without any prior thought, its an involuntary action. but the difference between us and animals is that we have a sense of time a wolf when it hunts chows down on the kill to the bone, whereas a human will save the excess for the future, or sacrifice the present for the future, i also think this is where a heightened level of self awareness and awareness of cause effect comes into play , this is where consciousness plays its card being alive according to me would be living by your conscious instincts and truly living would be a balance of your conscious instincts and deconstruction of them through your unconscious intuition and addition of the newfound uncosncious wisdom into your conscious instinctive structure unconscious and conscious being the duality of our psyche think the daoist yin yang symbol Attachments:
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Post by marduk on Nov 29, 2017 7:35:18 GMT
or to put it simply living by the ego would be being alive
understanding the fallacies presented by the ego would be truly living
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Post by mdk on Nov 29, 2017 12:56:00 GMT
What is the difference between being alive and truly living? What do you all think? [...] but the difference between us and animals is that we have a sense of time
a wolf when it hunts chows down on the kill to the bone, whereas a human will save the excess for the future, or sacrifice the present for the future, i also think this is where a heightened level of self awareness and awareness of cause effect comes into play , this is where consciousness plays its card [...] A lot of animals plan for the future, from the squirrel that buries nuts to the bear that gets fat before winter to the bird that migrates. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098220701250Xjournals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491301100307
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Post by marduk on Nov 29, 2017 13:53:17 GMT
[...] but the difference between us and animals is that we have a sense of time
a wolf when it hunts chows down on the kill to the bone, whereas a human will save the excess for the future, or sacrifice the present for the future, i also think this is where a heightened level of self awareness and awareness of cause effect comes into play , this is where consciousness plays its card [...] A lot of animals plan for the future, from the squirrel that buries nuts to the bear that gets fat before winter to the bird that migrates. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098220701250Xjournals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491301100307yeah i wanted to give an example which highlighted a conscious sense of time, that you are here and you are eventually going to die, the concept of sacrifice has taken quite a long time to evolve among certain animals us included and how many of these animals do it out of preprogrammed instinct rather than a conscious decision?
eg. frogs mostly act and respond out of pre programmed instinct, conscious decisions or the ability to let go of your instincts is a quality widely observable in mammals, say a dog who is afraid of humans might eventually change his mind after a few good encounters. my assumption most of them do it out of instinct than a decision but i might be wrong let me know what you think about it
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Post by mdk on Nov 30, 2017 12:30:10 GMT
yeah i wanted to give an example which highlighted a conscious sense of time, that you are here and you are eventually going to die, the concept of sacrifice has taken quite a long time to evolve among certain animals us included and how many of these animals do it out of preprogrammed instinct rather than a conscious decision?
eg. frogs mostly act and respond out of pre programmed instinct, conscious decisions or the ability to let go of your instincts is a quality widely observable in mammals, say a dog who is afraid of humans might eventually change his mind after a few good encounters. my assumption most of them do it out of instinct than a decision but i might be wrong let me know what you think about it My point is that all our cognitive processes have their origins in "animal instincts". Sure, we might have refined them or take more inputs into account or run them on deeper levels, but there isn't any irreducible complexity, nothing mystic about humans. Sometimes, complex behaviour can be achieved with surprisingly simple things. Imagine that you need to build a machine that would run away from light, or at the switch of a button run towards the light. How would you design a "brain" that does this? Turns out that you don't even need a brain for it, see Braitenberg vehicles
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Post by marduk on Nov 30, 2017 20:35:04 GMT
yeah i wanted to give an example which highlighted a conscious sense of time, that you are here and you are eventually going to die, the concept of sacrifice has taken quite a long time to evolve among certain animals us included and how many of these animals do it out of preprogrammed instinct rather than a conscious decision?
eg. frogs mostly act and respond out of pre programmed instinct, conscious decisions or the ability to let go of your instincts is a quality widely observable in mammals, say a dog who is afraid of humans might eventually change his mind after a few good encounters. my assumption most of them do it out of instinct than a decision but i might be wrong let me know what you think about it My point is that all our cognitive processes have their origins in "animal instincts". Sure, we might have refined them or take more inputs into account or run them on deeper levels, but there isn't any irreducible complexity, nothing mystic about humans. Sometimes, complex behaviour can be achieved with surprisingly simple things. Imagine that you need to build a machine that would run away from light, or at the switch of a button run towards the light. How would you design a "brain" that does this? Turns out that you don't even need a brain for it, see Braitenberg vehiclesFair enough i get your point, where i was coming from is that everything functions on a fundamental biological structure with instincts being the thing which carries out the functioning of this this structure, the level of human self awareness thanks to our pre-frontal cortex gives us the ability to simulate the possibility and outcomes of our instincts and in turn trump them in order to make a decision, the next step in evolution which gives us more power over controlling our fate if you will, that was my baseline which i built up for this specific question, what do you think about this? p.s thanks for linking things it adds to my knowledge and perception
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 3, 2017 15:48:53 GMT
Just being alive and going about your day to day routine does not create memories, I think that is the defining point.
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Post by mdk on Dec 4, 2017 10:40:04 GMT
My point is that all our cognitive processes have their origins in "animal instincts". Sure, we might have refined them or take more inputs into account or run them on deeper levels, but there isn't any irreducible complexity, nothing mystic about humans. Sometimes, complex behaviour can be achieved with surprisingly simple things. Imagine that you need to build a machine that would run away from light, or at the switch of a button run towards the light. How would you design a "brain" that does this? Turns out that you don't even need a brain for it, see Braitenberg vehiclesFair enough i get your point, where i was coming from is that everything functions on a fundamental biological structure with instincts being the thing which carries out the functioning of this this structure, the level of human self awareness thanks to our pre-frontal cortex gives us the ability to simulate the possibility and outcomes of our instincts and in turn trump them in order to make a decision, the next step in evolution which gives us more power over controlling our fate if you will, that was my baseline which i built up for this specific question, what do you think about this? p.s thanks for linking things it adds to my knowledge and perception If you want a philosophical reply, Schopenhauer said it best: "man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills". If you want a more scientific reply, I would go for Dilbert In the end, all our thoughts are nothing more than electric impulses caused by chemical reactions.
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Post by marduk on Dec 4, 2017 12:44:04 GMT
Fair enough i get your point, where i was coming from is that everything functions on a fundamental biological structure with instincts being the thing which carries out the functioning of this this structure, the level of human self awareness thanks to our pre-frontal cortex gives us the ability to simulate the possibility and outcomes of our instincts and in turn trump them in order to make a decision, the next step in evolution which gives us more power over controlling our fate if you will, that was my baseline which i built up for this specific question, what do you think about this? p.s thanks for linking things it adds to my knowledge and perception If you want a philosophical reply, Schopenhauer said it best: "man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills". If you want a more scientific reply, I would go for Dilbert In the end, all our thoughts are nothing more than electric impulses caused by chemical reactions. from a jungian perspective i would disagree with schopenhaur, jung said "until you make the unconscious, conscious it will direct your life and you will call it fate" that means if we dont understand ourselves and hence we dont challange our unconscious output with conscious thought, things will just happen to us and we wont have control over it. your conscious brain or thoughts or electrical impulses give you the ability to challenge the unconscious patterns and change them.which infers that we have free will only if we choose to understand ourselves , jung also called this understanding the otherness of the other., from the perspective of material science yes all brain activity is electric impulses, the link between meditation psychology and neuro-science can prove this point as mediators consciously change the brain waves they emit through meditation and i think bringing the consciousness into the unconscious and the ability to do so is the difference. here is an article www.mindbodygreen.com/0-12491/how-meditation-changes-your-brain-frequency.html
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Post by mdk on Dec 4, 2017 13:26:23 GMT
If you want a philosophical reply, Schopenhauer said it best: "man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills". If you want a more scientific reply, I would go for Dilbert In the end, all our thoughts are nothing more than electric impulses caused by chemical reactions. from a jungian perspective i would disagree with schopenhaur, jung said "until you make the unconscious, conscious it will direct your life and you will call it fate" that means if we dont understand ourselves and hence we dont challange our unconscious output with conscious thought, things will just happen to us and we wont have control over it. your conscious brain or thoughts or electrical impulses give you the ability to challenge the unconscious patterns and change them.which infers that we have free will only if we choose to understand ourselves , jung also called this understanding the otherness of the other., from the perspective of material science yes all brain activity is electric impulses, the link between meditation psychology and neuro-science can prove this point as mediators consciously change the brain waves they emit through meditation and i think bringing the consciousness into the unconscious and the ability to do so is the difference. here is an article www.mindbodygreen.com/0-12491/how-meditation-changes-your-brain-frequency.htmlThe first assumption you made is the unity of conscience, it turns out that brain is made of multiple entities that are not always in agreement with each other: Your right hemisphere can't even understand your left hemisphere. It just tries to explain the choices made and delude itself with having free will.
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