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Post by fschmidt on Jan 7, 2019 19:52:22 GMT
www.mikraite.org/Is-the-Old-Testament-obsolete-tp1953.htmlI don't mean that the Old Testament is obsolete because its ideas no longer apply. I mean that the Old Testament is obsolete because we are now living in an idiocracy where almost no one has the intelligence to understand it. Judaism and modern Christianity have no idea what the Old Testament is about. But Jesus and Muhammad clearly understood it. I think even Christians during the Enlightenment (1600s and 1700s) had a fair understanding of the Old Testament. But we seem to be living in the most stupid time in history. This may be partly because of the dysgenic effect of modern culture. But also because of the brain damage caused by excessive use of electronics by children. Whatever the reason, the drop in intelligence that I have seen in my lifetime has been unbelievable, and this may well render the Old Testament obsolete. Religions can be categorized by whether they work for smart or stupid people. Islam, Judaism, and traditional Christianity work for both. Modern Christianity and modern Western culture only work for stupid people. The Old Testament, by itself, only works for smart people which is why it never produced a popular religion. But as a part of the traditional Christian Bible, the Old Testament was undoubtedly appreciated by smart traditional Christians. Today there is no one left to appreciate the Old Testament. I think it is time for me to accept this fact.
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Post by prophettom on Apr 1, 2019 8:36:44 GMT
Each one of these things you make in argument for Christ. Actually is empowering a evil. It is saying also that those wrong doings are blessed and the ends justifies the means. But no It is put there to empower evil look at these things about lies. Who claims to own them.
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
This is the work of the Devils that dwell here on this earth. They can cast miracles and they are your enemy. The only light that can be found true in any religious book is to see how it deceived you to think evil was holy with sweet spoken words. That turns to a sour stomach once you see how dark we have been treated and made by following those religions and prophets. I am the only one to ever tell them no. I saw it Because God wanted me to!
I don't think you have been able to demonstrate that about Christ. But I think we can both agree that the degenerate, rapist and pedophilia practicing prophet of Islam, Mohammad was himself satan incarnate. I have indeed done that and I was taught it by God. I have given you the proof. They are all of Satan Even Christians. The Sin for Christians is the law of false peace given to Moses. Jesus endorsed it. He did fall. Go read this if you still have not seen why Jesus was and is the false messiah. www.facebook.com/tomas.mccartney
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Post by Sonny on Apr 1, 2019 17:24:47 GMT
I don't think you have been able to demonstrate that about Christ. But I think we can both agree that the degenerate, rapist and pedophilia practicing prophet of Islam, Mohammad was himself satan incarnate. I have indeed done that and I was taught it by God. I have given you the proof. You're making the 'Argument by Repetition' fallacy. All you have done is made a few statements which I already debunked. prophettom said Christians don't follow Old Testament laws, which were meant for the Israelites'. They were not meant to be followed by the Christians. For example, Christians don't circumcise their children like the jews do, which is a requirement in Old Testament law. prophettom said I have already debunked this claim. You keep repeating the same thing again and again, when you do that you make the 'Argument by Repetition' fallacy.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 1, 2019 18:30:32 GMT
I just use it as a history book basically since it is too much boring and bad history there. And there's an outdated abandoned covenant there.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 2, 2019 21:12:22 GMT
Yes which supports my statement that Jesus never said this (according to the Quran). The first Quran I read said something like Jesus will confess to saying he was God or the son of Godand that after that he will be admitted into paradise. I do not think it was in the same verse. I think not all Qurans available say the same exact thing. I wonder what it meant when the one I referred to said Jesus would be "cleared of a forged statement"? Who "forged" the statement? I am not sure what that verse means.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 2, 2019 21:18:50 GMT
Islamic texts are unreliable especially in regard to the claims it makes about Jesus life and his teachings. The Koran is simply a plagiarism of Gnostic texts and Jewish mythology as well as Mohammed's delusional and degenerate ramblings. Why do you say they are unreliable?
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 2, 2019 23:12:17 GMT
I wonder what it meant when the one I referred to said Jesus would be "cleared of a forged statement"? Who "forged" the statement? Paul and then the rest of Christianity
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Post by Sonny on Apr 3, 2019 3:32:33 GMT
Islamic texts are unreliable especially in regard to the claims it makes about Jesus life and his teachings. The Koran is simply a plagiarism of Gnostic texts and Jewish mythology as well as Mohammed's delusional and degenerate ramblings. Why do you say they are unreliable? Islamic texts are unreliable because Mohammed was born several hundred years after Christ and the Apostles and he makes claims that contradict the earlier Christian and Jewish texts. Islamic texts are unreliable also because we now know that the beliefs and claims in the Koran and Hadits regarding Christ have been plagiarized from the Apocrypha and other Gnostic texts: Finally, its unreliable considering that entire parts of the Quran have been lost. The quran wasn't written down and the soldiers who had memorized mohammed's ramblings (entire parts of the quran) died in battles: And because Aisha fed the parts of the quran (the parts that she didn't like, like the texts on breast feeding grown men) to her pet goat:
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 4, 2019 23:39:44 GMT
I wonder what it meant when the one I referred to said Jesus would be "cleared of a forged statement"? Who "forged" the statement? Paul and then the rest of Christianity I remember reading in the gospel that the apostles asked Jesus peace be upon him where his so called father was and he peace be upon him said that when they were looking at him they were looking at the father. That sounds like he peace be upon him is claiming to be his own father. If Jesus peace be upon made no claim to be the son of God, then I do not see why God would hold him accountable for it. Maybe in the resurrection we will see Jesus peace be upon him as he is judged by God who is Allah like all other humans. Who is approved and who is not approved. We would have our questions about scriptures answered I think.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 4, 2019 23:48:43 GMT
Why do you say they are unreliable? Islamic texts are unreliable because Mohammed was born several hundred years after Christ and the Apostles and he makes claims that contradict the earlier Christian and Jewish texts. Islamic texts are unreliable also because we now know that the beliefs and claims in the Koran and Hadits regarding Christ have been plagiarized from the Apocrypha and other Gnostic texts: Finally, its unreliable considering that entire parts of the Quran have been lost. The quran wasn't written down and the soldiers who had memorized mohammed's ramblings (entire parts of the quran) died in battles: And because Aisha fed the parts of the quran (the parts that she didn't like, like the texts on breast feeding grown men) to her pet goat: The word Christian as used to name the religion suggests it is Christ that is worshipped. The Christ has a mother and God or Allah has no parents, so worshipping someone like the Christ is worshipping someone who is not like the God or Allah who created the universe and all living things in existence and was not Himself created. Where is the contradiction you are referring to? What is Christian and Jewish text? I read the first and second books of Maccabees which speaks of a leader of some army talking about a mountain moving and then it moved. I read some books in the Tanach that come after the Torah and those books refer to a group of people as "Jews". Are those the Jewish texts?
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Post by Sonny on Apr 6, 2019 21:23:19 GMT
Where is the contradiction you are referring to? What is Christian and Jewish text? The contradiction is that in Christianity, Christ is the Son of God and God incarnate. In islam, muslims believe Christ to be simply a prophet like their prophet muhammud. There are also many other differences in the moral beliefs, rituals/practices and the philosophy of Christianity and islam, with the latter not being (philosophically) consistent at all. While the New Testament was written in Greek, a people who were the founders of philosophy. The two religions are not compatible. PISTON1246 said John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Greek, the word is Logos. Christ is the Logos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 12, 2019 19:59:50 GMT
Where is the contradiction you are referring to? What is Christian and Jewish text? The contradiction is that in Christianity, Christ is the Son of God and God incarnate. In islam, muslims believe Christ to be simply a prophet like their prophet muhammud. There are also many other differences in the moral beliefs, rituals/practices and the philosophy of Christianity and islam, with the latter not being (philosophically) consistent at all. While the New Testament was written in Greek, a people who were the founders of philosophy. The two religions are not compatible. PISTON1246 said John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Greek, the word is Logos. Christ is the Logos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)DO YOU EXPECT TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER? DO YOU ONLY READ CHRISTIAN GOSPELS? YES THE "NEW TESTAMENT" IS USED BY CHRISTIANS. IN THE GOSPELS OF MATTHEW AND MARK AND LUKE AND JOHN THEY TALK OF JESUS LIFE BY HIS ACTIONS AND HIS WORDS. THE OTHER BOOKS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE NOT GOSPELS. I BELIEVE GOD IS SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT AND HAS NOT DIED BEFORE. CHRIST PEACE BE UPON HIM HAS DIED ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THAT MEANS HE IS NOT GOD TO ME AND I THINK HE IS WHERE OTHER HUMANS WILL BE SOMEDAY WHEN WE ALL DIE ON THE LAST DAY. JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SAID HIMSELF IN MATTHEW I THINK THAT HIS "FATHER" IS GREATER THAN HE IS. IF CHRIST AND GOD ARE THE SAME PERSON THEN HOW IS ONE GREATER THAN THE OTHER? THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 12, 2019 22:48:44 GMT
The contradiction is that in Christianity, Christ is the Son of God and God incarnate. In islam, muslims believe Christ to be simply a prophet like their prophet muhammud. There are also many other differences in the moral beliefs, rituals/practices and the philosophy of Christianity and islam, with the latter not being (philosophically) consistent at all. While the New Testament was written in Greek, a people who were the founders of philosophy. The two religions are not compatible. PISTON1246 said John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Greek, the word is Logos. Christ is the Logos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)DO YOU EXPECT TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER? DO YOU ONLY READ CHRISTIAN GOSPELS? YES THE "NEW TESTAMENT" IS USED BY CHRISTIANS. IN THE GOSPELS OF MATTHEW AND MARK AND LUKE AND JOHN THEY TALK OF JESUS LIFE BY HIS ACTIONS AND HIS WORDS. THE OTHER BOOKS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE NOT GOSPELS. I BELIEVE GOD IS SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT AND HAS NOT DIED BEFORE. CHRIST PEACE BE UPON HIM HAS DIED ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THAT MEANS HE IS NOT GOD TO ME AND I THINK HE IS WHERE OTHER HUMANS WILL BE SOMEDAY WHEN WE ALL DIE ON THE LAST DAY. JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SAID HIMSELF IN MATTHEW I THINK THAT HIS "FATHER" IS GREATER THAN HE IS. IF CHRIST AND GOD ARE THE SAME PERSON THEN HOW IS ONE GREATER THAN THE OTHER? THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. But God (Jesus) never did die as in to never exist. He just left His physically body to do other things and then He rose it up temporarily to show He can do it but He still returned to His Spirit form. God was always Spirit form. In OT He used human form even when He wrestled with Jacob. And in NT He used human form. But God always was and always is a Spirit in real form.
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 13, 2019 1:58:01 GMT
The first five books, the Torah, are valuable, as are the other OT books. If many moderns do not see the importance, then a good commentator will help them.
See the new commentary by Dennis Prager on Genesis coming out in early May. His earlier volume on Exodus is very good. The title for his five volumes on the Torah is The Rational Bible.
From his Introduction to the Exodus book:
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 13, 2019 3:26:16 GMT
The first five books, the Torah, are valuable, as are the other OT books. If many moderns do not see the importance, then a good commentator will help them. No, a good commentator cannot help them. Moderns are like the Canaanites in the Old Testament, just as degenerate and hopeless. Did God tell Israel to provide the Canaanites with good Torah commentators? No, because they were hopeless, irredeemable. So God told Israel to slaughter them because that was the only solution. The same applies today to moderns. They simply must all be slaughtered, exterminated for the good of humanity.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Apr 13, 2019 20:09:01 GMT
DO YOU EXPECT TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER? DO YOU ONLY READ CHRISTIAN GOSPELS? YES THE "NEW TESTAMENT" IS USED BY CHRISTIANS. IN THE GOSPELS OF MATTHEW AND MARK AND LUKE AND JOHN THEY TALK OF JESUS LIFE BY HIS ACTIONS AND HIS WORDS. THE OTHER BOOKS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ARE NOT GOSPELS. I BELIEVE GOD IS SOMEONE WHO WILL NOT AND HAS NOT DIED BEFORE. CHRIST PEACE BE UPON HIM HAS DIED ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THAT MEANS HE IS NOT GOD TO ME AND I THINK HE IS WHERE OTHER HUMANS WILL BE SOMEDAY WHEN WE ALL DIE ON THE LAST DAY. JESUS PEACE BE UPON HIM SAID HIMSELF IN MATTHEW I THINK THAT HIS "FATHER" IS GREATER THAN HE IS. IF CHRIST AND GOD ARE THE SAME PERSON THEN HOW IS ONE GREATER THAN THE OTHER? THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. But God (Jesus) never did die as in to never exist. He just left His physically body to do other things and then He rose it up temporarily to show He can do it but He still returned to His Spirit form. God was always Spirit form. In OT He used human form even when He wrestled with Jacob. And in NT He used human form. But God always was and always is a Spirit in real form. WHEN YOU READ THAT PART IN GENESIS WHERE JACOB WRESTLED WITH SOMEONE DID IT TELL YOU THAT THAT PERSON'S NAME WAS JESUS? I DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS PEACE BE UPON EXISTED UNTIL HE WAS CREATED INSIDE OF THE WOMB OF MARRY. GOD HAS NOT TURNED HIMSELF INTO A HUMAN BEFORE. A HUMAN IS NOT GOD. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND HE IS ABOVE HAVING A SON SAYS THE QURAN.
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