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Post by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2017 3:55:28 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature.
Another one
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22
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Post by jonbain on Aug 14, 2018 13:14:25 GMT
Well its fairly ambiguous - but the 'straight feet' is not at all like an animal. Now if living creatures with faces were being carried by the machine, this would account for the ambiguity, early people would have no concept for this and would see it as one weird creature. It could also be that the faces were like the dragon at the head of a viking longship, designed with intent to make it appear like a creature - to evoke fear. What kind of animal could have four different faces? See point 9 below: the sound it makes. More at this link: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/ezekiel%27s%20flying%20machine.htmI never did say they were animals. Just some sort of creatures. Yes they would see it as one weird creature. Point 9 are these verses in the KJV, Ezekiel 1:24-25 KJV [24] And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. [25] And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. Engine sound? Idk, engines don’t sound like the “noise of great waters” which is also clear enough to be “the voice of speech”. I’ll show you something that should settle this... Ezekiel 10:5-20 KJV [5] And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. [6] And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. [7] And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof , and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it , and went out. [8] And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings. [9] And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. [10] And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. [11] When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. [12] And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. [13] As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. [14] And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. [15] And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. [16] And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. [17] When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also : for the spirit of the living creature was in them. [18] Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. [19] And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. [20] This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. So those creatures in Ezekiel 1 are these cherubim in Ezekiel 10. Very similar. Not the same. Note the four faces: In Ezekiel 10 its cherub, man, lion, eagle. In Ezekiel 1 its human, lion, bull eagle. The bull changes to a cherub. To me it seems like this is a square aircraft with four vantage points or windows, and there are four creatures on board. As for the sound, all the sounds listed can be described as 'white noise'. As for settling this, well I hope to. But its decidedly unsettling to me. Quite enjoyably so.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 14, 2018 14:06:33 GMT
I never did say they were animals. Just some sort of creatures. Yes they would see it as one weird creature. Point 9 are these verses in the KJV, Ezekiel 1:24-25 KJV [24] And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. [25] And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. Engine sound? Idk, engines don’t sound like the “noise of great waters” which is also clear enough to be “the voice of speech”. I’ll show you something that should settle this... Ezekiel 10:5-20 KJV [5] And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. [6] And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. [7] And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof , and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it , and went out. [8] And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings. [9] And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. [10] And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. [11] When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. [12] And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. [13] As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. [14] And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. [15] And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. [16] And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. [17] When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also : for the spirit of the living creature was in them. [18] Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. [19] And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. [20] This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. So those creatures in Ezekiel 1 are these cherubim in Ezekiel 10. Very similar. Not the same. Note the four faces: In Ezekiel 10 its cherub, man, lion, eagle. In Ezekiel 1 its human, lion, bull eagle. The bull changes to a cherub. To me it seems like this is a square aircraft with four vantage points or windows, and there are four creatures on board. As for the sound, all the sounds listed can be described as 'white noise'. As for settling this, well I hope to. But its decidedly unsettling to me. Quite enjoyably so. yea I guess you’re just gonna imagine it to be whatever you want it to be shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 14, 2018 18:34:50 GMT
Wait you guys are thinking that ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10 are the same exact creatures when each one doesn't have all 4 identical faces?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 14, 2018 19:16:11 GMT
Wait you guys are thinking that ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10 are the same exact creatures when each one doesn't have all 4 identical faces? I’m not, I think Ezekiel 1 is probably cherubim but not the same cherubim in Ezekiel 10. Jonbain seems to think the creature in Ezekiel 1 is a machine shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 14, 2018 19:44:03 GMT
My next favorite bible verse since eodnjod7 thinks bible has some private interpretations and not one interpretation which was written down from God
2 Peter 1:20-21 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 14, 2018 20:10:20 GMT
Very similar. Not the same. Note the four faces: In Ezekiel 10 its cherub, man, lion, eagle. In Ezekiel 1 its human, lion, bull eagle. The bull changes to a cherub. To me it seems like this is a square aircraft with four vantage points or windows, and there are four creatures on board. As for the sound, all the sounds listed can be described as 'white noise'. As for settling this, well I hope to. But its decidedly unsettling to me. Quite enjoyably so. yea I guess you’re just gonna imagine it to be whatever you want it to be Wait you guys are thinking that ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10 are the same exact creatures when each one doesn't have all 4 identical faces? My next favorite bible verse since eodnjod7 thinks bible has some private interpretations and not one interpretation which was written down from God 2 Peter 1:20-21 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Certainly there is a proper reading. That is the essence of both monotheism and science: There is one truth. No 'relativity' here! But we'll have to leave Ezekiel to stew for a bit deep in our subconscious before we can know for certain what it is about. Instead, lets have a look at my next favorite verse, which is Job 41 - the Leviathan. What do you reckon it is? Sounds to me like an amphibious battle-tank. The crucial clues are that it 'breathes fire' and it also leaves a tell-tale oil-slick behind it. Never mind the armor harder than spears, and the headlights for eyes. Verse 12 is two quite different interpretations, 'legs' and 'conceal his parts'?? But the 'threshing sledge' sounds like a caterpillar-track which describes how strange its 'legs' are.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 14, 2018 20:51:45 GMT
yea I guess you’re just gonna imagine it to be whatever you want it to be Wait you guys are thinking that ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10 are the same exact creatures when each one doesn't have all 4 identical faces? My next favorite bible verse since eodnjod7 thinks bible has some private interpretations and not one interpretation which was written down from God 2 Peter 1:20-21 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Certainly there is a proper reading. That is the essence of both monotheism and science: There is one truth. No 'relativity' here! But we'll have to leave Ezekiel to stew for a bit deep in our subconscious before we can know for certain what it is about. Instead, lets have a look at my next favorite verse, which is Job 41 - the Leviathan. What do you reckon it is? Sounds to me like an amphibious battle-tank. The crucial clues are that it 'breathes fire' and it also leaves a tell-tale oil-slick behind it. Never mind the armor harder than spears, and the headlights for eyes. Verse 12 is two quite different interpretations, 'legs' and 'conceal his parts'?? But the 'threshing sledge' sounds like a caterpillar-track which describes how strange its 'legs' are. All of these must be read in their context to begin to understand them. Read Job 39, 40, 41, and 42 and pay attention to the context. You might notice God is humbling Job throughout these chapters; He describes some of the creatures of the world that He has made therein.
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Post by Lakupala on Aug 15, 2018 3:30:49 GMT
All the violent ones that sound like metal lyrics.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 15, 2018 3:33:16 GMT
All the violent ones that sound like metal lyrics. Ones from Judaism you mean? And you're no longer Christian or you are?
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Post by Lakupala on Aug 15, 2018 3:36:07 GMT
All the violent ones that sound like metal lyrics. Ones from Judaism you mean? And you're no longer Christian or you are? Not sure. I don’t really know anything about Judaism I’m a cultural Christian. All my online friends are Christian and most of are views on things like abortion are the same. But if someone in real life asks what I am then I just say Christian since I don’t want my parents to find out I’m not Christian.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 15, 2018 3:43:14 GMT
Ones from Judaism you mean? And you're no longer Christian or you are? Not sure. I don’t really know anything about Judaism I’m a cultural Christian. All my online friends are Christian and most of are views on things like abortion are the same. But if someone in real life asks what I am then I just say Christian since I don’t want my parents to find out I’m not Christian. Judaism ones are like the old testament things. The eye for an eye, animal sacrificing, some killings, etc. Chrsitianity is the new testament. That one is just love your neighbor so no killing or hurting anyone. If you're serious about Christianity you should read the new testament. You shouldn't just follow what your friends do. You won't be happy being something you've no interest in Sad
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Post by Lakupala on Aug 15, 2018 3:44:54 GMT
. I don’t really know anything about Judaism I’m a cultural Christian. All my online friends are Christian and most of are views on things like abortion are the same. But if someone in real life asks what I am then I just say Christian since I don’t want my parents to find out I’m not Christian. Judaism ones are like the old testament things. The eye for an eye, animal sacrificing, some killings, etc. Chrsitianity is the new testament. That one is just love your neighbor so no killing or hurting anyone. If you're serious about Christianity you should read the new testament. You shouldn't just follow what your friends do. You won't be happy being something you've no interest in I can’t because I can’t make myself believe in Christianity. And they all know I’m atheist but like I said, I have more in common with Christians.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 16, 2018 14:34:53 GMT
Certainly there is a proper reading. That is the essence of both monotheism and science: There is one truth. No 'relativity' here! But we'll have to leave Ezekiel to stew for a bit deep in our subconscious before we can know for certain what it is about. Instead, lets have a look at my next favorite verse, which is Job 41 - the Leviathan. What do you reckon it is? Sounds to me like an amphibious battle-tank. The crucial clues are that it 'breathes fire' and it also leaves a tell-tale oil-slick behind it. Never mind the armor harder than spears, and the headlights for eyes. Verse 12 is two quite different interpretations, 'legs' and 'conceal his parts'?? But the 'threshing sledge' sounds like a caterpillar-track which describes how strange its 'legs' are. All of these must be read in their context to begin to understand them. Read Job 39, 40, 41, and 42 and pay attention to the context. You might notice God is humbling Job throughout these chapters; He describes some of the creatures of the world that He has made therein. I am quite aware of the context. So you reckon God made a fire breathing sea-monster, then? What is the contextual point of so much intricate detail in its description? If you compare it to the Behemoth its entirely differently described, as the Behemoth is certainly a normal hippo.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 16, 2018 18:10:36 GMT
All of these must be read in their context to begin to understand them. Read Job 39, 40, 41, and 42 and pay attention to the context. You might notice God is humbling Job throughout these chapters; He describes some of the creatures of the world that He has made therein. I am quite aware of the context. So you reckon God made a fire breathing sea-monster, then? What is the contextual point of so much intricate detail in its description? If you compare it to the Behemoth its entirely differently described, as the Behemoth is certainly a normal hippo. Yes, God made a fire breathing sea monster. You think God made an amphibious tank? Since when does God make machines? The detail is there to humble Job. I’d say behemoth is a dinosaur as a hippopotamus most certainly doesn’t have the tail of a cedar tree which is a very large tree, and hippopotami do not get their food from the mountains.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 17, 2018 13:20:17 GMT
I am quite aware of the context. So you reckon God made a fire breathing sea-monster, then? What is the contextual point of so much intricate detail in its description? If you compare it to the Behemoth its entirely differently described, as the Behemoth is certainly a normal hippo. Yes, God made a fire breathing sea monster. You think God made an amphibious tank? Since when does God make machines? The detail is there to humble Job. I’d say behemoth is a dinosaur as a hippopotamus most certainly doesn’t have the tail of a cedar tree which is a very large tree, and hippopotami do not get their food from the mountains. Good point about the Behemoth. I must have recalled another verse by error. However my point about the Leviathan remains. God made all things, including machines, as God made their builders. There are no other fire-emitting entities other than those God made through man. Its also vital to see that this is one way to teach and humble ancient people into a respect for right over might. The man of God can control such power purely due to his mind, not due to strength. I challenge you to back up your claim of anything in creation that emits fire, other than machines. Do not fall into the error of assuming that history books contain all that occurred in history. The tower of Babel, and the long lives of Noah's ancestors show that there must have been much more advanced human societies than our present one. It would be vanity to suggest that only contemporary people had the capacity to build powerful machines.
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