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Post by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2017 3:55:28 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature.
Another one
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 6, 2018 4:01:56 GMT
Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 6, 2018 5:16:55 GMT
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Romans 13:4
And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof. 1 Chronicles 21:27
But David could not go before it to enquire of God: for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of the LORD. 1 Chronicles 21:30
Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them. Psalm 35:6
Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. Isaiah 37:36
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 7, 2018 15:57:20 GMT
The verdict indeed says they're dumb. What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols? Habakkuk 2:18
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 8, 2018 3:30:01 GMT
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. John 5:14
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 8, 2018 23:30:50 GMT
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. James 1:26
Do not be vain in Christianity! Otherwise your religion is of no use Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 9, 2018 7:44:07 GMT
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Timothy 2:22
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Post by vulcanlogician on Dec 13, 2018 0:14:39 GMT
"Get behind me, Satan."
Take note, Christians. This is a quote from the one whom you consider to be God, directed toward the rock upon which your entire religion is founded.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 0:46:57 GMT
"Get behind me, Satan." Take note, Christians. This is a quote from the one whom you consider to be God, directed toward the rock upon which your entire religion is founded. Oh no. Peter isn't my rock. Jesus is my rock. I don't understand why some religious people think Peter is the rock when Peter even said Jesus is the rock. Shrug P.S. Peter was a bad role model anyway! Hence why God called him Satan.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 1:49:59 GMT
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
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Post by vulcanlogician on Dec 14, 2018 1:38:57 GMT
"Get behind me, Satan." Take note, Christians. This is a quote from the one whom you consider to be God, directed toward the rock upon which your entire religion is founded. Oh no. Peter isn't my rock. Jesus is my rock. I don't understand why some religious people think Peter is the rock when Peter even said Jesus is the rock. P.S. Peter was a bad role model anyway! Hence why God called him Satan. But isn't it problematic, then, that there is such a thing as apostolic authority in the Christian tradition? When Paul writes something, it isn't considered as "supporting arguments" for Jesus' main thesis. Rather, the things that Jesus said and what Paul wrote are warped in order to remain congruous with one another. If I was a follower of Christ (which I'm not) I'd consider the words of Jesus to be authoritative, and when Paul's words came into conflict with Jesus' words, Jesus would win out. But this isn't what rank and file Christians accept, is it? They distort and warp Jesus' teachings to allow everything Paul said to count as 100% true as well. Paul's teachings and Jesus' teachings hold equal authority. It leaves me wondering which one of these chaps the Christians consider to be God. Both of them, apparently.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 14, 2018 1:44:26 GMT
Oh no. Peter isn't my rock. Jesus is my rock. I don't understand why some religious people think Peter is the rock when Peter even said Jesus is the rock. P.S. Peter was a bad role model anyway! Hence why God called him Satan. But isn't it problematic, then, that there is such a thing as apostolic authority in the Christian tradition? When Paul writes something, it isn't considered as "supporting arguments" for Jesus' main thesis. Rather, the things that Jesus said and what Paul wrote are warped in order to remain congruous with one another. If I was a follower of Christ (which I'm not) I'd consider the words of Jesus to be authoritative, and when Paul's words came into conflict with Jesus' words, Jesus would win out. But this isn't what rank and file Christians accept, is it? They distort and warp Jesus' teachings to allow everything Paul said to count as 100% true. Paul's teachings and Jesus' teachings hold equal authority. It leaves me wondering which one of these chaps the Christians consider to be God. Both of them, apparently. I don't believe in no apostolic whatever it is called. However, I do not see contradictions in scripture. The gospels and the letters after it flow together and emphasize what Jesus said. I only see people contradicting it outside of scripture and saying their church or their religious leaders give the authority. I'm like nopers. It's the bible that gives authority because it has God's word in it.
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Post by vulcanlogician on Dec 14, 2018 1:52:41 GMT
But isn't it problematic, then, that there is such a thing as apostolic authority in the Christian tradition? When Paul writes something, it isn't considered as "supporting arguments" for Jesus' main thesis. Rather, the things that Jesus said and what Paul wrote are warped in order to remain congruous with one another. If I was a follower of Christ (which I'm not) I'd consider the words of Jesus to be authoritative, and when Paul's words came into conflict with Jesus' words, Jesus would win out. But this isn't what rank and file Christians accept, is it? They distort and warp Jesus' teachings to allow everything Paul said to count as 100% true. Paul's teachings and Jesus' teachings hold equal authority. It leaves me wondering which one of these chaps the Christians consider to be God. Both of them, apparently. I don't believe in no apostolic whatever it is called. However, I do not see contradictions in scripture. The gospels and the letters after it flow together and emphasize what Jesus said. I only see people contradicting it outside of scripture and saying their church or their religious leaders give the authority. I'm like nopers. It's the bible that gives authority because it has God's word in it. So, you don't see a problem when Paul "stands in judgment" of people, when Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? I see several places where Paul is giving his own opinions... and if you accept those opinions as true, you believe something contrary to what Jesus teaches in the gospels. I can get specific if you'd like....
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 14, 2018 2:18:15 GMT
I don't believe in no apostolic whatever it is called. However, I do not see contradictions in scripture. The gospels and the letters after it flow together and emphasize what Jesus said. I only see people contradicting it outside of scripture and saying their church or their religious leaders give the authority. I'm like nopers. It's the bible that gives authority because it has God's word in it. So, you don't see a problem when Paul "stands in judgment" of people, when Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? I see several places where Paul is giving his own opinions... and if you accept those opinions as true, you believe something contrary to what Jesus teaches in the gospels. I can get specific if you'd like.... Are you talking about this passage? Matthew 7:1-5 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. This passage is simply saying when you judge others don't be a hypocrite; don't tell someone they are wrong for doing something if you are doing what they are doing and/or much worse than they are doing. Context is the key here. We can look at it like this, Matthew 7:1-5 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.But that would be ignorant to do so. Moreover, there's these verses... Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. ...which plainly tell us to judge righteously. What things did Paul say that are contrary to what Jesus teaches?
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 14, 2018 2:39:52 GMT
I don't believe in no apostolic whatever it is called. However, I do not see contradictions in scripture. The gospels and the letters after it flow together and emphasize what Jesus said. I only see people contradicting it outside of scripture and saying their church or their religious leaders give the authority. I'm like nopers. It's the bible that gives authority because it has God's word in it. So, you don't see a problem when Paul "stands in judgment" of people, when Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? I see several places where Paul is giving his own opinions... and if you accept those opinions as true, you believe something contrary to what Jesus teaches in the gospels. I can get specific if you'd like.... Paul doesn't contradict. Jesus says to judge what is right. He was upset that people didn't judge in this manner! 57 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? And Jesus calls us to judge again! Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 And Paul tells us to judge righteously using God's law. And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? Romans 2:27 It's good Paul says what Jesus says!
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Post by vulcanlogician on Dec 16, 2018 0:14:20 GMT
So, you don't see a problem when Paul "stands in judgment" of people, when Jesus says "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? I see several places where Paul is giving his own opinions... and if you accept those opinions as true, you believe something contrary to what Jesus teaches in the gospels. I can get specific if you'd like.... Paul doesn't contradict. Jesus says to judge what is right. He was upset that people didn't judge in this manner! 57 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? And Jesus calls us to judge again! Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24 And Paul tells us to judge righteously using God's law. And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? Romans 2:27 It's good Paul says what Jesus says! Sure, you can fudge Paul's sayings together with Jesus' sayings and make them work together. You could do that with any two historical people if you were so inclined. Name any notorious figure, and I bet you could quote a paragraph from him that agrees with the sentiments of Jesus. FWIW, the passage in Matthew (quoted by DKtrav88) is one of my favorites from the Gospels. I especially like how Jesus advises his followers to treat others' flaws like a splinter in the eye... rather than advising that one spout judgment upon others like some ranting jerk... If your little brother or little sister came to you with a splinter in their eye, would you rebuke them for being careless enough to have attained the splinter? Or would you calmly... carefully... and lovingly help them remove the splinter with as little anguish as possible? I see THIS message in the Sermon on the Mount. As well as a warning that those who are deeply flawed (let's say they spent a long period of their life persecuting Christians *wink*) ought to be very careful before dispensing judgment on others. 1 Corinthians 5:4 says: "So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord." Handing people over to Satan? Is this the same guy who was redeemed for all his crimes and made an apostle? Paul admits to having done many heinous things... it sounds like he is ready to be judged for those things. As Matthew says: "The measure you mete out to others will be met out onto you." Big surprise, if Paul's soul encounters God and God says, "Hand this man over to Satan." I know there is more to what Paul says there, but there is an arrogance to Paul that I don't ever find in Jesus' words. Just sayin'... I regard Jesus and his teachings more highly than the things Paul wrote. That's why I'm puzzled that Christians would put the words of both on an equal level... since (ya know) you guys consider one of them to be God and the other just a man. I realize I'm sorta new, and I started by throwing a gauntlet down in the Bible quotes thread... so (just so you guys don't think I'm some kinda troll) I'll give you one I genuinely like: James 1:9 The brother in lowly circumstances should take pride in his high standing, and the high one in his lowliness... I really like the Books: James, Job, and Ecclesiastes. Also the Gospel of Matthew (especially chapters 5-7... and many of the parables that follow). Matthew is probably my favorite book... but only the parts that come directly out of Jesus' mouth. The rest of it, not so much. I think Paul is quite poetic and lucid at times, but he balances that out by being an ignorant, prejudiced, and maleducated ancient--- (I don't hold that against him, but still, I don't put everything he says on a pedestal either) ... so he's kind of a wash...
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