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Post by ivy on Dec 5, 2018 2:05:11 GMT
The Only Solution to Humanity's Crisis : To the United Nations
Economic and Social Council
The United Nations
Dear Mr. Alberto Padova,
Our environment and climate continue to deteriorate and neither can be solved by the Kyoto Protocol or the Paris Agreement. The only way for us to save ourselves is to completely change our traditional modes of production and life.
If we continue to follow our current production and life modes, then these eight crises will remain unresolved:
1. Overpopulation
2. Humanity's greed and lust
3. Environmental Degradation
4. Climatic Deterioration
5. Loss and waste of Resources
6. Less stable Ecological Environments
7. Refugee Problems (they will continue to increase)
8. Conflicts between Nationalities, Religions, Cultures, and Interest Groups
These problems above can only be solved by changing our traditional production and life modes. Everyone yearns for a good life, but how can it be obtained?
It will not be by preaching morality, enforcing laws and regulations, following religious precepts, redistributing money and material assistance, constant meetings and discussions of governments or even the UN, warnings and threats, or even by force. It is only by changing our production and life modes that these crises can be solved.
What kind of production and life modes should be changed?
First of all, we should break up traditional marriages and families because they are the sources of human selfishness, the birthplaces of human crises, and the headstreams of all crime and evil. They are also the curb chains which prevent us all from leading happy, joyous, free, and blessed lives, but rather make people feel anxious, miserable, and fearful.
Our mode of production should change from a pattern of possessing to one of sharing; from one of competing predatorily to one of serving each other enthusiastically.
The rest of the contents involved are too broad to discuss here, but I can offer much more information based on my experience - if the UN is interested.
How do we change nearly everyone’s traditional production and life modes?
To implement that of the New Oasis for Life as created by the Lifechanyuan.
We have been experimenting with and improving upon this mode in mainland China for nine years, and the results have been very encouraging. More than two hundred people have participated in our experiment over the past ten years and one hundred and fifty of them have resided within the New Oasis for Life for extended periods of time. The remarkable signs of this mode are that exclusive marriages and families have disappeared, supporting our elderly and rearing and educating our children have been managed well, the crime rate has dropped to zero, our members’ health has improved greatly, pollution to our local environment has dropped to near zero, and our waste of resources and carbon footprint have been reduced greatly. Our people's happiness indices have risen higher than those in any of the developed countries in the world.
There are many more advantages over the traditional production and life modes which are difficult to describe here in detail but of which we have published many written descriptions, photographic proofs, and video displays, and we want the UN to understand them in detail. We can provide a great deal of information as evidence to study and judge.
If people do not change their traditional production and life modes completely and adopt these of the New Oasis for Life as created by Lifechanyuan, then the prospect of sustained development will remain distant and uncertain.
At this juncture between our continuation as a species and our extinction, we are hopeful that the UN will send people to study and demonstrate it as soon as possible and make it a project to be put into practice as has been done by Lifechanyuan. To bring about the new models of production and life modes sooner rather than later, let people from all over the world visit, study, and experience it. In this way, humanity’s situation can change completely and our futures will be blessed and sustainable.
It is impossible to change humanity’s dangerous predicament at once and even if the brakes were applied immediately, the inertia of traditional thinking would last for decades, by which time it would be too late.
So, the best way to do this would be to build new models of production and life modes which are intuitive, that people can see and experience in person, and that can be copied and replicated everywhere. If the New Oasis for Life mode were to be repeated by millions of people, then the beautiful ideal that mankind has dreamed of for thousands of years would surely be realized.
How do we build a model of this new production and life mode?
We would establish a New Oasis for Life in mainland China, in the United States of America, or in Zimbabwe, Africa with three hundred resident members including people from various religious, cultural, national, and ethnic backgrounds under the auspices of the United Nations and implemented by Lifechanyuan.
We encourage the United Nations to persuade one or more of those three governments to agree to allow us to create a New Oasis for Life on their territory and also to allow the foreign people involved in its creation to enter and leave freely.
The place where the New Oasis for Life would be created would be chosen and financed by Lifechanyuan and purchased or leased according to existing local policies. Of course it would help if the UN could help with the funding because if they were to do so, then it would be quicker and easier to build and the new model could unfold more quickly.
It would be effortless for the UN to help us to create this model of the new production and life modes, but the benefits would be endless and would benefit many future generations, so why not put it into practice?
It is better to teach people to catch fish than to give them some fish.
If the UN turns a blind eye to my proposal and ignores it, then you will have to deal with many types of devastation everywhere for many years to come.
We look forward to positive, encouraging news from your organization.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 5, 2018 2:47:41 GMT
The earth isn’t suffering from overpopulation and leaving all these issues up to a single governmental entity to solve is dangerous and just flat out lazy.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 5, 2018 16:05:18 GMT
I think the idea is wonderful, but the address is really stupid. The United Nations is not the right council to solve it. I'd choose to do it by yourself, or with your friends instead of looking for a fat money guy to change anything in da world.
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Post by ivy on Dec 6, 2018 3:44:04 GMT
I think the idea is wonderful, but the address is really stupid. The United Nations is not the right council to solve it. I'd choose to do it by yourself, or with your friends instead of looking for a fat money guy to change anything in da world. We are not waiting. If there is a possibility, we try it. Anyhow, you know more about us now. Even it is a game, we play it well.
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Post by ivy on Dec 6, 2018 3:47:09 GMT
The earth isn’t suffering from overpopulation and leaving all these issues up to a single governmental entity to solve is dangerous and just flat out lazy. If it is not overpopulated why more and more animals died? It is not the right time, because not many people want to accept it. If people accept it from mind, it will become reallity.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 6, 2018 4:42:24 GMT
The earth isn’t suffering from overpopulation and leaving all these issues up to a single governmental entity to solve is dangerous and just flat out lazy. If it is not overpopulated why more and more animals died? It is not the right time, because not many people want to accept it. If people accept it from mind, it will become reallity. Most of the issues you listed are caused by greedy rich people and collaborating governments. Overpopulation, I would say, isn't an issue. Certain areas being over-crowded, though, is an issue. There is a lot of uninhabited land in the world; 43% of earth's land surface covered by humans and 40% of that is agricultural. Overpopulation isn't the sole cause for a decline in animal population, it is the second issue you listed that is the cause; human greed and lust. Humanity's greed and lust is the number one issue, as it is what motivates people to destroy the environment, waste resources, destabilize ecological environments, cause wars and famines that create refugee problems, and create conflicts between nations, religions, and cultures. You said, "First of all, we should break up traditional marriages and families because they are the sources of human selfishness, the birthplaces of human crises, and the headstreams of all crime and evil. They are also the curb chains which prevent us all from leading happy, joyous, free, and blessed lives, but rather make people feel anxious, miserable, and fearful." Can you back this up with any facts? How are marriages and families the source of human selfishness, crisis, and crime? How do they prevent us from leading happy, joyous, free, and blessed lives? Why and how do families and marriages make people feel anxious, miserable, and fearful? You said, "Our mode of production should change from a pattern of possessing to one of sharing; from one of competing predatorily to one of serving each other enthusiastically." Don't families and marriages consist of people sharing? Don't families and marriages consist of people serving each other? You said, "We have been experimenting with and improving upon this mode in mainland China for nine years, and the results have been very encouraging. More than two hundred people have participated in our experiment over the past ten years and one hundred and fifty of them have resided within the New Oasis for Life for extended periods of time. The remarkable signs of this mode are that exclusive marriages and families have disappeared, supporting our elderly and rearing and educating our children have been managed well, the crime rate has dropped to zero, our members’ health has improved greatly, pollution to our local environment has dropped to near zero, and our waste of resources and carbon footprint have been reduced greatly. Our people's happiness indices have risen higher than those in any of the developed countries in the world." Okay, so you have this experiment going on that started with more than 200 people, but now only 150 are there. How does this justify forcing this way of living onto the rest of the world? What do you do about the 50+ people that did not want to stay in your experimental commune? Don't you think you should try to get more people to volunteer that way your experiment can have more legitimacy when dealing with more people before you can say this way of living will work for the whole world? I have a question: if you think the world is overpopulated, what do you plan to do to fix that issue?
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Post by ivy on Dec 7, 2018 1:47:51 GMT
If it is not overpopulated why more and more animals died? It is not the right time, because not many people want to accept it. If people accept it from mind, it will become reallity. Most of the issues you listed are caused by greedy rich people and collaborating governments. Overpopulation, I would say, isn't an issue. Certain areas being over-crowded, though, is an issue. There is a lot of uninhabited land in the world; 43% of earth's land surface covered by humans and 40% of that is agricultural. Overpopulation isn't the sole cause for a decline in animal population, it is the second issue you listed that is the cause; human greed and lust. Humanity's greed and lust is the number one issue, as it is what motivates people to destroy the environment, waste resources, destabilize ecological environments, cause wars and famines that create refugee problems, and create conflicts between nations, religions, and cultures. ---Please refer to below article. In family, you serve only several people, and share with maybe two or three peolple, eg, your parents and your children and partner, anyone else? ---We are looking for people resonant with Lifechanyuan values, if you are resonant, you are our brother. If you do not like live there, you can just leave. It is not an organization. You are free to leave at any minute. It is leagal if we have only 10 people living together, but if above that number, the Chinese government don't like it and will dismiss you. But in many other countries, they welcome us. ---Not what we will do, but more people should know it. Or the Tao, the nature will do it. You can see it from the more and more frequent disasters. Lao Tzu said, “When people have no fear of force, then (as is the common practice) great force descends”. What is great force? It refers to a power unimaginable and uncontrollable by man. It is like the “deluge” recorded in the bible, which was then unexpected and uncontrollable by man. Family Will Gradually Disappear: On Lifechanyuan Era (5) Deiform celestial Preface Whether something is perfect or not depends on its structural feature; whether someone is handsome or beautiful depends on his/her life structure; if there is defect in its structure, the thing is bound to present morbidity, the person is bound to be ugly. We can know whether a man is sick by testing a cell of his body. Family is the cell in constituting the human society structure. We should have no way but think the family is carried with the congenital virus if the current human society is unsatisfactory. Divorce rate is continually rising: a report of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences pointed out that the divorce rate of Beijing in 2002 was 50.90% with 76,136 pairs got married and 38,756 pairs divorced. In recent years, the divorce rate of U.S. always kept above 50%; the Western Europe countries all kept about 40%; Republic of Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan all kept about 40%; Thailand was 60%. Then, how about the divorce rate of India? In the Bangalore, the silicon valley of India, Dutta, a female software engineer, said among her eighteen classmates there were five still unmarried, and in the rest thirteen married students, eight had divorced. "We see each other sometimes, and we think that it is fine to be alone." What is wrong with family? The Drawback of Family If one member of a family has long-term illness or congenital disability or dies on the vine, all family members especially parents, sons, daughters and spouse will fall into sorrow and misfortune for their whole life. Many people are pressed almost out of breath by funeral and supporting their parents; many parents are tortured by the academic career of children, work, marriage and career; many people forfeit their independent personality and freedom after they get married. Marriage is just like a door, and once you step into it, this means that you have shut all the other doors; if your partner is eccentric in character, disturbed in mind, defective in physiology or ugly in soul, you can do nothing but to endure; all husbands are afraid that their wives cheat on them, similarly all wives are afraid that their husbands cheat on them too; as a result, all the married men and women will live in fear for their whole life in miserable and they all hope their partners are the flashlights which can only lighten himself or herself. The primary cause for the violence alternation of different dynasties lies in the "family first": if one receives a high position in the government, all his relatives and followers will get promotion after him; otherwise, if one commits a crime, the whole clan of him will be implicated; under the sky, all the territory belongs to the king; everyone including ministers and officials are all the servants of the king. There is a common phenomenon: if one wants to fish for benefits, one needs to break through the family members of prime minister, minister, stadholder and county magistrate, especially their spouse; in this way, these officials will secretly work for you and offer you with the power and benefits of their families in the scope of their authorities. Why did the malfeasants in different ages take place one after another? Why were they being endless greedy? Its primary cause is that they attach too much importance on their families, want to make their ancestors illustrious and want to establish an eternal lasting enterprise for their descendants. Without family, all these drawbacks will disappear automatically. Lifechanyuan Era Family will gradually disappear; wedding will not exist and marriage certificate will completely become history; the title of husband and wife will become a backward sign sealed in the history museum; bisexual love can conduct freely out of willingness. Everyone has work to do; there will be limit on individual wealth,once above it the wealth will automatically belong to all human beings; natural resources including land will belong to all people; persons will not own any private land or house property; the countries, political parties and religions etc. will all disappear. Human services will be adjusted, arranged and managed by global government; personnel can transfer around the world, and every three years people may have a chance to change their working and living environments;as a result, everyone may have about twenty opportunities to live and work in different environments, which means you work in Beijing for this three years, and you may work in Tokyo for next three years and New York next three years and then Vancouver, London, Berlin and Johannesburg etc.; in this way everyone has opportunity to enjoy the beautiful scenery on the earth. With the disappearance of the family and housing and work are arranged unitarily by the global government, so the conventional moving problems are completely avoided; what you need to do but get on car with your simple luggage. The issues of old aged support, raising children and education, funeral will be arranged unitarily by society, so do the people without the labor capacity. The concept of father will disappear, and no one know who his father is; after weaning, the babies are picked up by special agency until they are sensible; and they will not live together with their mothers. All family names will be cancelled, and the name of everyone will be ##Celestial. Family will Gradually Disappear The divorce rate will rise continually, and people will gradually prefer to live freely; marrying used to be regarded as a happy event, and from now on it will be regarded as a tragedy for human life; people will gradually accept the value of Lifechanyuan; even for the un-divorced man and wife, they will gradually change their marriage idea, and gradually regard the opposite side as a friend and a partner instead of possessing and monopolizing him or her. Family is the main root leading to the pains of life. As long as the family exists, human can never enter into the new era filled with freedom and happiness. Lifechanyuan era is bound to come! October 2, 2006
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 3:17:44 GMT
The Only Solution to Humanity's Crisis : To the United Nations Economic and Social Council The United Nations Dear Mr. Alberto Padova, Our environment and climate continue to deteriorate and neither can be solved by the Kyoto Protocol or the Paris Agreement. The only way for us to save ourselves is to completely change our traditional modes of production and life. If we continue to follow our current production and life modes, then these eight crises will remain unresolved: 1. Overpopulation 2. Humanity's greed and lust 3. Environmental Degradation 4. Climatic Deterioration 5. Loss and waste of Resources 6. Less stable Ecological Environments 7. Refugee Problems (they will continue to increase) 8. Conflicts between Nationalities, Religions, Cultures, and Interest Groups These problems above can only be solved by changing our traditional production and life modes. Everyone yearns for a good life, but how can it be obtained? It will not be by preaching morality, enforcing laws and regulations, following religious precepts, redistributing money and material assistance, constant meetings and discussions of governments or even the UN, warnings and threats, or even by force. It is only by changing our production and life modes that these crises can be solved. What kind of production and life modes should be changed? First of all, we should break up traditional marriages and families because they are the sources of human selfishness, the birthplaces of human crises, and the headstreams of all crime and evil. They are also the curb chains which prevent us all from leading happy, joyous, free, and blessed lives, but rather make people feel anxious, miserable, and fearful. Our mode of production should change from a pattern of possessing to one of sharing; from one of competing predatorily to one of serving each other enthusiastically. The rest of the contents involved are too broad to discuss here, but I can offer much more information based on my experience - if the UN is interested. How do we change nearly everyone’s traditional production and life modes? To implement that of the New Oasis for Life as created by the Lifechanyuan. We have been experimenting with and improving upon this mode in mainland China for nine years, and the results have been very encouraging. More than two hundred people have participated in our experiment over the past ten years and one hundred and fifty of them have resided within the New Oasis for Life for extended periods of time. The remarkable signs of this mode are that exclusive marriages and families have disappeared, supporting our elderly and rearing and educating our children have been managed well, the crime rate has dropped to zero, our members’ health has improved greatly, pollution to our local environment has dropped to near zero, and our waste of resources and carbon footprint have been reduced greatly. Our people's happiness indices have risen higher than those in any of the developed countries in the world. There are many more advantages over the traditional production and life modes which are difficult to describe here in detail but of which we have published many written descriptions, photographic proofs, and video displays, and we want the UN to understand them in detail. We can provide a great deal of information as evidence to study and judge. If people do not change their traditional production and life modes completely and adopt these of the New Oasis for Life as created by Lifechanyuan, then the prospect of sustained development will remain distant and uncertain. At this juncture between our continuation as a species and our extinction, we are hopeful that the UN will send people to study and demonstrate it as soon as possible and make it a project to be put into practice as has been done by Lifechanyuan. To bring about the new models of production and life modes sooner rather than later, let people from all over the world visit, study, and experience it. In this way, humanity’s situation can change completely and our futures will be blessed and sustainable. It is impossible to change humanity’s dangerous predicament at once and even if the brakes were applied immediately, the inertia of traditional thinking would last for decades, by which time it would be too late. So, the best way to do this would be to build new models of production and life modes which are intuitive, that people can see and experience in person, and that can be copied and replicated everywhere. If the New Oasis for Life mode were to be repeated by millions of people, then the beautiful ideal that mankind has dreamed of for thousands of years would surely be realized. How do we build a model of this new production and life mode? We would establish a New Oasis for Life in mainland China, in the United States of America, or in Zimbabwe, Africa with three hundred resident members including people from various religious, cultural, national, and ethnic backgrounds under the auspices of the United Nations and implemented by Lifechanyuan. We encourage the United Nations to persuade one or more of those three governments to agree to allow us to create a New Oasis for Life on their territory and also to allow the foreign people involved in its creation to enter and leave freely. The place where the New Oasis for Life would be created would be chosen and financed by Lifechanyuan and purchased or leased according to existing local policies. Of course it would help if the UN could help with the funding because if they were to do so, then it would be quicker and easier to build and the new model could unfold more quickly. It would be effortless for the UN to help us to create this model of the new production and life modes, but the benefits would be endless and would benefit many future generations, so why not put it into practice? It is better to teach people to catch fish than to give them some fish. If the UN turns a blind eye to my proposal and ignores it, then you will have to deal with many types of devastation everywhere for many years to come. We look forward to positive, encouraging news from your organization. Changing what traditional life modes? The modern progressive movement has been a projection away from these traditional values. 1. You claim overpopulation is an issue, however this has been a result of the technocratic industrial base which has caused an imbalance within resource consumption that effectively caused the population expansion to begin with. The cycle through which resources have been processed historically through human labor changed at a rate that effectively Nullifies Any Balance Between Manual Labor And Physical Need Where People Physically Work Less But Consume Either An Equal Or Larger Amount Of Resources Than What Is Necessary While Effectively Being Eliminated From The Work Market Due To Technological Progress. This is assuming there is even an overpopulation to begin with as some studies implied the whole world population of seven billion can be cramped into a metropolis the size ofTexas. Add thfact not only do people consume more than they need, but the majority of industrialization requires further resources just to keep the industry, and tools which form it, moving regardless of material output. We create tools to create further tools. 2. Blaming the human condition for the human condition and then arguing the humanity will solve the problems effectively leaves the proposed solution subject to the issues of human nature to begin with, where greed and lust will determine the framework of interpretation. The current framework for industrialization is premised on greed and lust. The social media movement in technology originates in a lust for seeing new things. We cannot, as global civilization, live without technology due to not just its ingraining in our lives at the personal and practical level but because of the inherent lifestyle has left a genetic footprint in our bloodlines which will pop up sooner or later as a zeitgeist that will haunt the memories of future generations where they will feel out of place because of the memories imprinted in them from further generations. 3. See points 1 and 2. The corresponding cycles of natural law are ingrained as a sort of logical system within the psyches of prior generations. The cyclical nature of the seasons, animal movements, weather, celestial cycles, etc. provided a framework of reasoning through which people observed not just reality but themselves as well. This reasoning premised in a natural law, which can be reflected on certain philosophical movements such as Taoism and Christianity, founded upon a synthetic nature to reality is grounded in an inherent reproductive nature to reality where life joined to life beget more life. In simpler terms sex is a foundation to logic, as well as circularity, through natural law. However in light of a strict progressively linear logic these natural functions have been distorted at the universal level where the creative aspect of nature inherent, through a form of cycling in not just the gene pool but embodied under the cyclical nature of the golden rule itself at the personal level, within man as a universal measure has been distorted to a form of self pleasuring. This ingrained hedonism, a false and irrational hedonism in light of the deeper pleasures of virtue, has caused a changed in the foundational values of man making him/her a means rather than a beginning or end. This hedonism is further magnified under social media where the natural law of creation is inverted to one of Creating An Illusive Identity Founded On Consumption. This Creation Of An Illusive Self Is Founded In The Progressive Linear Logic That Gave Foundation To The Industrial Revolution And Modern Culture And Is Inherent At The Ideological And Intuitive Level Where People Cease To Self Reflect; Hence Are Unable To Bear Not Just Responsibility For Personal Decisions But Inherently Project There Personal States On To Others without being aware. This in turn reflects at the macro level where the continual projection of the self away from the self inhibits any form of stable psychological roots but causes inherent clashing of values in a war of all against all that is the defining attribute of modern culture. People Are Formed According To There Ability To Reason. But between The Inability To Critically Think Due To Modern Noise, As Well As Poor Logical Foundations The Modern Person Is Unable To Make Any Critical Change. 4. See points 1, 2, 3. The Rewriting Of Natural Law, Through The Articificial Sphere Of Technology, Is A War Againstnot Just Nature But The Human Condition As Well. Will extend later, I am just to bored continue. And somehow I doubt Mr. Padova reads the arktos forum.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 7, 2018 5:39:17 GMT
Most of the issues you listed are caused by greedy rich people and collaborating governments. Overpopulation, I would say, isn't an issue. Certain areas being over-crowded, though, is an issue. There is a lot of uninhabited land in the world; 43% of earth's land surface covered by humans and 40% of that is agricultural. Overpopulation isn't the sole cause for a decline in animal population, it is the second issue you listed that is the cause; human greed and lust. Humanity's greed and lust is the number one issue, as it is what motivates people to destroy the environment, waste resources, destabilize ecological environments, cause wars and famines that create refugee problems, and create conflicts between nations, religions, and cultures. ---Please refer to below article. In family, you serve only several people, and share with maybe two or three peolple, eg, your parents and your children and partner, anyone else? ---We are looking for people resonant with Lifechanyuan values, if you are resonant, you are our brother. If you do not like live there, you can just leave. It is not an organization. You are free to leave at any minute. It is leagal if we have only 10 people living together, but if above that number, the Chinese government don't like it and will dismiss you. But in many other countries, they welcome us. ---Not what we will do, but more people should know it. Or the Tao, the nature will do it. You can see it from the more and more frequent disasters. Lao Tzu said, “When people have no fear of force, then (as is the common practice) great force descends”. What is great force? It refers to a power unimaginable and uncontrollable by man. It is like the “deluge” recorded in the bible, which was then unexpected and uncontrollable by man. Family Will Gradually Disappear: On Lifechanyuan Era (5) Deiform celestial Preface Whether something is perfect or not depends on its structural feature; whether someone is handsome or beautiful depends on his/her life structure; if there is defect in its structure, the thing is bound to present morbidity, the person is bound to be ugly. We can know whether a man is sick by testing a cell of his body. Family is the cell in constituting the human society structure. We should have no way but think the family is carried with the congenital virus if the current human society is unsatisfactory. Divorce rate is continually rising: a report of Chinese Academy of Social Sciences pointed out that the divorce rate of Beijing in 2002 was 50.90% with 76,136 pairs got married and 38,756 pairs divorced. In recent years, the divorce rate of U.S. always kept above 50%; the Western Europe countries all kept about 40%; Republic of Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan all kept about 40%; Thailand was 60%. Then, how about the divorce rate of India? In the Bangalore, the silicon valley of India, Dutta, a female software engineer, said among her eighteen classmates there were five still unmarried, and in the rest thirteen married students, eight had divorced. "We see each other sometimes, and we think that it is fine to be alone." What is wrong with family? The Drawback of Family If one member of a family has long-term illness or congenital disability or dies on the vine, all family members especially parents, sons, daughters and spouse will fall into sorrow and misfortune for their whole life. Many people are pressed almost out of breath by funeral and supporting their parents; many parents are tortured by the academic career of children, work, marriage and career; many people forfeit their independent personality and freedom after they get married. Marriage is just like a door, and once you step into it, this means that you have shut all the other doors; if your partner is eccentric in character, disturbed in mind, defective in physiology or ugly in soul, you can do nothing but to endure; all husbands are afraid that their wives cheat on them, similarly all wives are afraid that their husbands cheat on them too; as a result, all the married men and women will live in fear for their whole life in miserable and they all hope their partners are the flashlights which can only lighten himself or herself. The primary cause for the violence alternation of different dynasties lies in the "family first": if one receives a high position in the government, all his relatives and followers will get promotion after him; otherwise, if one commits a crime, the whole clan of him will be implicated; under the sky, all the territory belongs to the king; everyone including ministers and officials are all the servants of the king. There is a common phenomenon: if one wants to fish for benefits, one needs to break through the family members of prime minister, minister, stadholder and county magistrate, especially their spouse; in this way, these officials will secretly work for you and offer you with the power and benefits of their families in the scope of their authorities. Why did the malfeasants in different ages take place one after another? Why were they being endless greedy? Its primary cause is that they attach too much importance on their families, want to make their ancestors illustrious and want to establish an eternal lasting enterprise for their descendants. Without family, all these drawbacks will disappear automatically. Lifechanyuan Era Family will gradually disappear; wedding will not exist and marriage certificate will completely become history; the title of husband and wife will become a backward sign sealed in the history museum; bisexual love can conduct freely out of willingness. Everyone has work to do; there will be limit on individual wealth,once above it the wealth will automatically belong to all human beings; natural resources including land will belong to all people; persons will not own any private land or house property; the countries, political parties and religions etc. will all disappear. Human services will be adjusted, arranged and managed by global government; personnel can transfer around the world, and every three years people may have a chance to change their working and living environments;as a result, everyone may have about twenty opportunities to live and work in different environments, which means you work in Beijing for this three years, and you may work in Tokyo for next three years and New York next three years and then Vancouver, London, Berlin and Johannesburg etc.; in this way everyone has opportunity to enjoy the beautiful scenery on the earth. With the disappearance of the family and housing and work are arranged unitarily by the global government, so the conventional moving problems are completely avoided; what you need to do but get on car with your simple luggage. The issues of old aged support, raising children and education, funeral will be arranged unitarily by society, so do the people without the labor capacity. The concept of father will disappear, and no one know who his father is; after weaning, the babies are picked up by special agency until they are sensible; and they will not live together with their mothers. All family names will be cancelled, and the name of everyone will be ##Celestial. Family will Gradually Disappear The divorce rate will rise continually, and people will gradually prefer to live freely; marrying used to be regarded as a happy event, and from now on it will be regarded as a tragedy for human life; people will gradually accept the value of Lifechanyuan; even for the un-divorced man and wife, they will gradually change their marriage idea, and gradually regard the opposite side as a friend and a partner instead of possessing and monopolizing him or her. Family is the main root leading to the pains of life. As long as the family exists, human can never enter into the new era filled with freedom and happiness. Lifechanyuan era is bound to come! October 2, 2006 "In family, you serve only several people, and share with maybe two or three peolple, eg, your parents and your children and partner, anyone else?" Is there an issue with the amount of people served? Why does it need to be more? Not only this, but there is something called friendships outside of the family in where you can serve them. And if someone wants to, they can go even further than that if they want to serve others, not only in their community, but in other parts of the world as well. "We should have no way but think the family is carried with the congenital virus if the current human society is unsatisfactory. " Why? As far as divorce goes, maybe people should think twice about getting married in the first place. Though, I'm not too sure how the data you shared helps support the notion that the family is the "congenital virus" if society in unsatisfactory. "all family members...will fall into sorrow and misfortune for their whole life." This is a blanket statement and quite simply isn't true. "Many people are pressed almost out of breath by funeral and supporting their parents; many parents are tortured by the academic career of children, work, marriage and career; many people forfeit their independent personality and freedom after they get married." Isn't that what one does as their parents get old? They take care of them? Are parents tortured by the academic career of children in China? Because in other places, it is not so. If a parent is tortured by work, then maybe they need to find a better job or one they enjoy? If a marriage is torture, then it is obvious that one or both people in the marriage aren't working together to solve issues, but are rather being selfish which comes down to the individual, not the marriage/family itself. If someone is forfeiting who they are after getting married then there is an issue there as that shouldn't be happening, but as far as freedom goes, yes you should be expected to sacrifice some of your freedom as you are now tied to that person for the rest of your life and become one with them. If someone is not ready for the responsibility of marriage and family, then they should not get married or have a family. It is that simple. Just because there are all these problems within families and marriages does not mean the family and the marriage are the issue, it stems down to the individuals within the family and marriage who are or have the issue(s). "Marriage is just like a door, and once you step into it, this means that you have shut all the other doors; if your partner is eccentric in character, disturbed in mind, defective in physiology or ugly in soul, you can do nothing but to endure; all husbands are afraid that their wives cheat on them, similarly all wives are afraid that their husbands cheat on them too; as a result, all the married men and women will live in fear for their whole life in miserable and they all hope their partners are the flashlights which can only lighten himself or herself." Doors to what exactly? Why would you get married to someone who is "eccentric in character, disturbed in mind, defective in physiology or ugly in soul"? Isn't the point of dating and getting to know someone as a potential spouse to find someone who doesn't have these sort of issues? You made another blanket statement there about all husbands that is not true which lead to another blanket statement about all those in a marriage live in fear and misery which is not true either. Why do you make such blanket statements? "The primary cause for the violence alternation of different dynasties lies in the "family first": if one receives a high position in the government, all his relatives and followers will get promotion after him; otherwise, if one commits a crime, the whole clan of him will be implicated; under the sky, all the territory belongs to the king; everyone including ministers and officials are all the servants of the king." Is this an issue in China? Because it is not really an issue or relevant in other places. In most places people are treated as individuals so if one commits a crime, that one person is solely responsible for their actions. The family may receive some flak by other rude and disrespectful people, but there is almost never a situation where "the whole clan" will be implicated unless evidence shows to prove otherwise. "There is a common phenomenon: if one wants to fish for benefits, one needs to break through the family members of prime minister, minister, stadholder and county magistrate, especially their spouse; in this way, these officials will secretly work for you and offer you with the power and benefits of their families in the scope of their authorities." Where is this an issue? What country or countries? "Why did the malfeasants in different ages take place one after another? Why were they being endless greedy? Its primary cause is that they attach too much importance on their families, want to make their ancestors illustrious and want to establish an eternal lasting enterprise for their descendants. Without family, all these drawbacks will disappear automatically." Well, back in the times of when monarchies were in control of every form of society, what could you expect? No, they wanted to keep their power and their legacy going. It wasn't because they attach too much importance on their family. Regardless, these type of systems doesn't exist in most countries today; society isn't lead by royal families anymore in most places. Most countries have elected officials who are supposed to represent the constituents that elected them in government. If they don't do their job, that is to represent their constituents, then they lose their job next time elections come around. So, if they were ever to only favor their family, then they would lose their job. Their job is to serve their constituents. "Family will gradually disappear; wedding will not exist and marriage certificate will completely become history; the title of husband and wife will become a backward sign sealed in the history museum; bisexual love can conduct freely out of willingness." Why do you think this? What do you mean "bisexual love can conduct freely out of willingness."? Don't people do this already? Why does the family have to disappear for it to happen? "Everyone has work to do; there will be limit on individual wealth,once above it the wealth will automatically belong to all human beings; natural resources including land will belong to all people; persons will not own any private land or house property; the countries, political parties and religions etc. will all disappear." This sounds like communism. The thing with communism is that it has never worked because the people in charge of the public were always corrupt and took everything for themselves. What makes you think the UN won't do the same? "Human services will be adjusted, arranged and managed by global government; personnel can transfer around the world, and every three years people may have a chance to change their working and living environments;as a result, everyone may have about twenty opportunities to live and work in different environments, which means you work in Beijing for this three years, and you may work in Tokyo for next three years and New York next three years and then Vancouver, London, Berlin and Johannesburg etc.; in this way everyone has opportunity to enjoy the beautiful scenery on the earth." Maybe you should give this a shot in China first, the rest of the world can watch and see how it goes. Wait, I think China already tried communism once, and it resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people. We can go into more details about that if you'd like. "With the disappearance of the family and housing and work are arranged unitarily by the global government, so the conventional moving problems are completely avoided; what you need to do but get on car with your simple luggage. The issues of old aged support, raising children and education, funeral will be arranged unitarily by society, so do the people without the labor capacity. The concept of father will disappear, and no one know who his father is; after weaning, the babies are picked up by special agency until they are sensible; and they will not live together with their mothers. All family names will be cancelled, and the name of everyone will be ##Celestial." Okay, I have a question for you: do believe in freedom of choice? If yes, then maybe you can explain to me how forcing people, via a global government, to live a certain way, is freedom of choice for those people? You coming with this idea of living for the world and wanting to force upon others completely goes against the idea of freedom, but at the same time it seems you think you are promoting freedom which I find very startling. "The divorce rate will rise continually, and people will gradually prefer to live freely; marrying used to be regarded as a happy event, and from now on it will be regarded as a tragedy for human life; people will gradually accept the value of Lifechanyuan; even for the un-divorced man and wife, they will gradually change their marriage idea, and gradually regard the opposite side as a friend and a partner instead of possessing and monopolizing him or her." This may or may not be true. Divorce is happening because people are moving away from selflessness to selfishness which includes greed and lust; this is a problem with all societies and we can only blame ourselves. Though, this has absolutely nothing to do with the family. Everyone makes their own choices in life, they are responsible for their own actions. With that being said, the solution for divorce isn't to get rid of marriage. To do that would be the same as saying we should get rid of cars because it'll stop car accidents from happening. Or we can take it a bit further and make it more ridiculous and say we should get rid of bicycles because it'll stop flat tires from happening. Shoot, why not go further and say we should stop all pregnancies from happening because it'll stop all abortions. We can keep going and get more and more ridiculous. But regardless, the family is not the source of the issue, and to remove the family from all of society would go against the freedom that you say you are in support of.
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Post by ivy on Dec 8, 2018 2:12:46 GMT
The Only Solution to Humanity's Crisis : To the United Nations Economic and Social Council The United Nations Changing what traditional life modes? The modern progressive movement has been a projection away from these traditional values. 1. You claim overpopulation is an issue, however this has been a result of the technocratic industrial base which has caused an imbalance within resource consumption that effectively caused the population expansion to begin with. The cycle through which resources have been processed historically through human labor changed at a rate that effectively Nullifies Any Balance Between Manual Labor And Physical Need Where People Physically Work Less But Consume Either An Equal Or Larger Amount Of Resources Than What Is Necessary While Effectively Being Eliminated From The Work Market Due To Technological Progress. This is assuming there is even an overpopulation to begin with as some studies implied the whole world population of seven billion can be cramped into a metropolis the size ofTexas. Add thfact not only do people consume more than they need, but the majority of industrialization requires further resources just to keep the industry, and tools which form it, moving regardless of material output. We create tools to create further tools. 2. Blaming the human condition for the human condition and then arguing the humanity will solve the problems effectively leaves the proposed solution subject to the issues of human nature to begin with, where greed and lust will determine the framework of interpretation. The current framework for industrialization is premised on greed and lust. The social media movement in technology originates in a lust for seeing new things. We cannot, as global civilization, live without technology due to not just its ingraining in our lives at the personal and practical level but because of the inherent lifestyle has left a genetic footprint in our bloodlines which will pop up sooner or later as a zeitgeist that will haunt the memories of future generations where they will feel out of place because of the memories imprinted in them from further generations. 3. See points 1 and 2. The corresponding cycles of natural law are ingrained as a sort of logical system within the psyches of prior generations. The cyclical nature of the seasons, animal movements, weather, celestial cycles, etc. provided a framework of reasoning through which people observed not just reality but themselves as well. This reasoning premised in a natural law, which can be reflected on certain philosophical movements such as Taoism and Christianity, founded upon a synthetic nature to reality is grounded in an inherent reproductive nature to reality where life joined to life beget more life. In simpler terms sex is a foundation to logic, as well as circularity, through natural law. However in light of a strict progressively linear logic these natural functions have been distorted at the universal level where the creative aspect of nature inherent, through a form of cycling in not just the gene pool but embodied under the cyclical nature of the golden rule itself at the personal level, within man as a universal measure has been distorted to a form of self pleasuring. This ingrained hedonism, a false and irrational hedonism in light of the deeper pleasures of virtue, has caused a changed in the foundational values of man making him/her a means rather than a beginning or end. This hedonism is further magnified under social media where the natural law of creation is inverted to one of Creating An Illusive Identity Founded On Consumption. This Creation Of An Illusive Self Is Founded In The Progressive Linear Logic That Gave Foundation To The Industrial Revolution And Modern Culture And Is Inherent At The Ideological And Intuitive Level Where People Cease To Self Reflect; Hence Are Unable To Bear Not Just Responsibility For Personal Decisions But Inherently Project There Personal States On To Others without being aware. This in turn reflects at the macro level where the continual projection of the self away from the self inhibits any form of stable psychological roots but causes inherent clashing of values in a war of all against all that is the defining attribute of modern culture. People Are Formed According To There Ability To Reason. But between The Inability To Critically Think Due To Modern Noise, As Well As Poor Logical Foundations The Modern Person Is Unable To Make Any Critical Change. 4. See points 1, 2, 3. The Rewriting Of Natural Law, Through The Articificial Sphere Of Technology, Is A War Againstnot Just Nature But The Human Condition As Well. Will extend later, I am just to bored continue. And somehow I doubt Mr. Padova reads the arktos forum. No, Mr. Padova doesn't read the arktos forum. One of us sent email to him. I am sharing here for you to read, for those who are resonant. I am not trying to persuade anyone but to find those who are resonant with Lifechanyuan values. They are born, not learned to be Chanyuan celestials. They like what i shared and feel this is what they have been looking for. Read below article, see if you agree? Everything we enjoy today, except the gift of nature, depends entirely on the invention and creation of human beings and the progress of science and technology. If we abandon the existing scientific and technological achievements and go back to the ancients, it will not be the progress of civilization, but the retrogression of civilization. 39. Science and Civilization
Religion goes hand in hand with fatuity, while science keeps abreast with civilization. Science is the activity and knowledge to understand, explore, and interpret the laws of nature, human society, and thinking. Civilization is a voluntary behavior of man formed on the basis of the correct understanding of material world and nonmaterial world. Without the development and progress of science, civilization is only an extravagant hope. The symbol for real civilization is: no slightest conflict between man and man, man and society, and man and nature, and the sustained harmony without the regulations of laws and without the mechanisms of supervision. For example, how do we dispose of the banana peel after eating a banana on the bus? The uncivilized behavior is to throw it out of the window. We only keep a clean place for ourselves and do not care about the inconvenience to others caused by the banana peel thrown out of the window. The less uncivilized behavior is to place the banana peel under the seat and leave the bus. The civilized behavior is to take the banana peel away and throw it into the dustbin. For another example, suppose an automatic newsagent stand is set up by a road with a large flow of pedestrians, each newspaper sells for one dollar, and beside the pile of newspaper is placed a money box, from which buyers can get the changes of his money. In this situation, the civilized person would willingly place the money into the money box and take away the changesand then fetch a newspaper from the top of the pile of newspaper. The less uncivilized person would also place the money into the box, but would fumble through the box for the cleaner and tidier changes and would not take the newspaper directly from the top of the pile but takes one from the middle of the pile. The uncivilized person would trickly pick newspaper from the pile when seeing no one around and would take one or even two newspaper without paying money, thinking “It does not make any difference whether I take one for free or not”. He would not consider other consequences. He would not pay attention to the losses sustained to the owner of the newspaper. For those who do not pay for the newspaper and worse still pick money from the box, this is not a matter of being civilized or not, but a matter of crime. Some may say that civilization does not have much to do with science. In the remote villages with rustic folkway, The doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street., and doesn’t this count for civilization? This question involves the understanding of science. It is generally believed that space shuttles, ion accelerators, computer networks, magnetic suspension trains, atomic energy power plants, cloning of life, nanotechnology, and atomic bombs are science but farmer’s planting of crops, housewife’s cooking, worker’s operation, and smallbusiness all have nothing to do with science. Many people are biased against science, believing that science is at the same time benefiting mankind and threatening the survival of civilization. For example, as a result of the development of science, people can no longer have any impression of the good old days—in which the doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street.. Some people even believe that science should be held responsible for the creation of killing machines like firearms, bombers, and atomic bombs and that science has caused the bustling of mankind and accelerated the pace of life. There are even people who claim that the exhausted resources, the polluted earth, the damaged environment, and people’s spiritual and mental stress are all evils committed by science. Science has been treated unjustly. Science is the activity and knowledge for understanding, exploring, and interpreting the laws of nature, human society, and thinking. How can we impute science simply because of some people’s crooked application of science to other purposes? Science has caused the emergence of automobiles. Can we blame science if a driverhas run into someone? Internet has burst into the modern stage with the development of science. Can we say that science is promoting drugs and pornographic picture albums if someone takes advantage of the network to promote drugs and porn picture albums? With the development of science and the appearance of Television, VCD, DVD, CD, films, telephones, and floods of books and magazines. Some people are utilizing these facilities to conduct vulgar propaganda, which causes people’s tension in sense of time, apathy in human relations, and contortion in psychology and mentality. Can we blame science for all these bad effects? Science has caused the invention of atomic bombs, but can we say that science is intimidating people if someone threatens others with an atomic bomb? If it is tenable to ascribe all misbehaviors and evils of modern society to science, then the following logical reasoning should be completely correct. The reason why Xiao Wang committed murder is because his parents have given birth to him. If his parents have not given birth to him, there would not have been the problem of Xiao Wang’s murder. Then not Xiao Wang but his parents should be blamed for the crime. However, Xiao Wang’s parents were born by their respective parents, so Xiao Wang’s parents’ parents should be responsible for Xiao Wang’s crime. If this reasoning goes further back, the primogenitor of mankind will have to be held responsible. Where did man’s primogenitor come from? Then the earth cannot be exempt from the liability, because without the earth there would have been no primogenitor of mankind. The problem, however, does not end here. Without the solar system, there would have been no earth; and without the Milky Way galaxy, there would have been no solar system. And finally the crime may be traced back to the Greatest Creator who has created the universe. The result of the logical reasoning is that the Greatest Creator is responsible for Xiao Wang’s action of murder. This discursion is ridiculous. If this rationalization is not absurd, then there would be only one solution: destroy mankind, destroy the universe. Who else wants to shift the blame onto science? There is a fallacy, “Science is a double-edged sword”, which undoubtedly implies that “The sun is a double-edged ball”, “The orange is a double-edged fruit”, “The plane is a double-edged aircraft”, and “TV is a double-edged set”. Everything is double-edged anywhere and any time. The result is one’s own parents are double-edged persons. If we compare science to a knife, it totally depends on the user of the knife and has nothing to do with the knife itself whether the knife is used to chop vegetables, to mow grass, to slaughter pigs, or to kill people. When it comes to science, we have to talk about scientists. Now there are more and more scientists, which are a good thing and an inevitable result of social development. But the problem is, “Who can be called scientists?” Who are scientists? Scientists are people who have discovered and can clearly describe or explain a certain law in the field of nature, society, and thinking, which is universally valid within a given limit of time and space. Newton is a scientist because he has discovered gravitation; Einstein is a scientist because he has discovered the mass energy equation; Madame Curie is a scientist because she has discovered radioelements; Planck is a scientist because he has discovered quantum theory; Laplace is a scientist because he has discovered the uncertainty principle. Those who work in science laboratories or with scientists can only be called scientific workers and cannot be called scientists. People capable of explaining certain phenomena cannot be called scientists. Otherwise, I would also be a scientist. People working in certain academy of sciences can not be called scientists. People only capable of making innovations and inventions according to others’ theories can not be called scientists and can only be called inventors, engineers, and technicians. Edison is not a scientist. People only capable of expounding others’ theories are not scientists, either. Many university teachers can explain the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics to students, but they are not scientists, instead they are teachers and professors. A person can only be regarded as one with great power of understanding but cannot be considered a scientist if he has discovered certain law but cannot explain it in clear words. Therefore those who developed atomic bombs according to Einstein’s theories cannot be called scientist. They can at best be regarded as scientific workers or engineers. Scientist is a sacred title. We should not abuse this title by using it randomly; otherwise science and scientists will be tarnished. A person is a scientist if he has discovered and explained a certain theory. That he may later do something detrimental to society with his discovery is a matter of his moral character and social standpoint and has nothing to do with the title of scientist. In the same way, a man has created wealth for himself and the society by making a knife. We cannot say that it is wrong to create wealth just because he later becomes a criminal by killing people with this knife. After we have discovered what science and scientists are, we will understand that science is the catalyst for civilization. Without the guidance of science, man would be like a mob of animals, irrational, irredeemable, and hopeless. Science and scientist are offspring of the Greatest Creator. The Greatest Creator has not created religion, but he has created science and scientist. A real scientist cannot deny the existence of the Greatest Creator, because all that are created by the Greatest Creator are not a result of random actions but are based on science, laws, and principles. The road of science is the road of the Greatest Creator. Who are nearest to the Greatest Creator? Scientists! Human society is marching toward civilization. Today’s society is more civilized than the past. Modern times are more civilized than past times. Whoever is hostile to science, to present time and is afraid of the future can get undressed, destroy all you haveand go back to the virgin forest to see how you can survive.
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Post by ivy on Dec 8, 2018 3:36:00 GMT
Family Will Gradually Disappear: On Lifechanyuan Era (5) ------not the number, but your state of being, are you selfish or selfless? If all people in the community like sharing all their wealth with you, are you willing to do the same as they do ? ----Not we think, it is inevitable when more and more human awake. The newly emerging forces are bound to defeat what is corrupt and degenerate. Like the polygamy in history. ---more and more evidence show people don't want to get married. France is good example. ----give me an example that a man loves olny his wife and never moved by other woman, and his wife is the same. -----You mean all human are perfect or imperfect people should not get married? Why people get married and divoced, are they all eccentric, defective? You can see one's soul? Everyone think they are good. We always saw news women were abused, who abused them, strangers? -----You mean there is no malfeasants on the earth? There is no such thing as corruption in the world? ------if you think bisexual love conduct freely out of willingness now, there shouldn't be stealthy love afair, cheating. ----We cannot assure the UN nations' behavior. We just want to set a branch but not governed by the UN, poeple who live their must be resonant with Lifechanyuan values. ----if you want to know us, please read more. It is not the same communism. Truth cannot be found in debates and arguments. ------Did i force you? Will you be forced by this article? This is just a suggestion, if people like this idea, they come. The government won't accept it so soon, as you see, so far no government accept it. So don't worry, you can live your life as before, you are free. ----When one is young, one thinks one should get married, because most people do like this. They thought this is right, this is the only choice. But when they are mature enough and find the truth, they might get divorced. This is what happened. People do not get rid of bicycles because bicycles won't blame her, threaten her or beat her. Yes, nowadays, people do stop pregnancy by taking many kinds of contraception measures to avoid abortions. This is the progress of human civilization.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 9, 2018 0:41:25 GMT
------not the number, but your state of being, are you selfish or selfless? If all people in the community like sharing all their wealth with you, are you willing to do the same as they do ? ----Not we think, it is inevitable when more and more human awake. The newly emerging forces are bound to defeat what is corrupt and degenerate. Like the polygamy in history. ---more and more evidence show people don't want to get married. France is good example. ----give me an example that a man loves olny his wife and never moved by other woman, and his wife is the same. -----You mean all human are perfect or imperfect people should not get married? Why people get married and divoced, are they all eccentric, defective? You can see one's soul? Everyone think they are good. We always saw news women were abused, who abused them, strangers? -----You mean there is no malfeasants on the earth? There is no such thing as corruption in the world? ------if you think bisexual love conduct freely out of willingness now, there shouldn't be stealthy love afair, cheating. ----We cannot assure the UN nations' behavior. We just want to set a branch but not governed by the UN, poeple who live their must be resonant with Lifechanyuan values. ----if you want to know us, please read more. It is not the same communism. Truth cannot be found in debates and arguments. ------Did i force you? Will you be forced by this article? This is just a suggestion, if people like this idea, they come. The government won't accept it so soon, as you see, so far no government accept it. So don't worry, you can live your life as before, you are free. ----When one is young, one thinks one should get married, because most people do like this. They thought this is right, this is the only choice. But when they are mature enough and find the truth, they might get divorced. This is what happened. People do not get rid of bicycles because bicycles won't blame her, threaten her or beat her. Yes, nowadays, people do stop pregnancy by taking many kinds of contraception measures to avoid abortions. This is the progress of human civilization. "If all people in the community like sharing all their wealth with you, are you willing to do the same as they do ?" I do not believe this would ever happen, though I do think it would happen within a family. "Not we think, it is inevitable when more and more human awake. The newly emerging forces are bound to defeat what is corrupt and degenerate. Like the polygamy in history." Why do you think people will think family is a virus? Why do you think families lead to corruption? "more and more evidence show people don't want to get married. France is good example." But how does this fact support the notion that the family is the "congenital virus" if society is unsatisfactory? If anything it just shows that people don't want to dedicate themselves to others shrug "give me an example that a man loves olny his wife and never moved by other woman, and his wife is the same." Have you never seen loyal or happy marriages? They do exist, I've seen them myself. I'm thinking your perception is limited to where you live and what you've seen there. "You mean all human are perfect or imperfect people should not get married? Why people get married and divoced, are they all eccentric, defective? You can see one's soul? Everyone think they are good. We always saw news women were abused, who abused them, strangers?" Neither. I'm not talking about perfections or imperfections. What I am saying is that over time you get to know someone better, you start to see who they are, and based on that one should know if that person is right for them or not. "You mean there is no malfeasants on the earth? There is no such thing as corruption in the world?" I didn't say that. I am saying it doesn't happen in the way you are describing via families. It used to be that way long ago. "if you think bisexual love conduct freely out of willingness now, there shouldn't be stealthy love afair, cheating." If people don't want to be loyal to their spouse, then they shouldn't be married shrug It seems you are advocating to get rid of marriage so people can have open relationships. Well, to many people this is disgusting and wrong. Do you think it is okay to have a global government force people to not be married when they want to be? Do you think it is okay to have a global government teach people they ways you are advocating? Don't you think it is better to let people decide on their own what is good for them rather than have a government tell them what is good for them? "We cannot assure the UN nations' behavior. We just want to set a branch but not governed by the UN, poeple who live their must be resonant with Lifechanyuan values." Right, you cannot know what the UN will do. Why did you send a letter to the UN? What was the purpose of the letter? "if you want to know us, please read more. It is not the same communism. Truth cannot be found in debates and arguments." I understand it isn't the same communism, but the idea was the same and it always turns into a ruthless dictatorship. What you advocate is a utopia, but utopias are impossible because you can never ever get everyone to agree. "Did i force you? Will you be forced by this article? This is just a suggestion, if people like this idea, they come. The government won't accept it so soon, as you see, so far no government accept it. So don't worry, you can live your life as before, you are free." No, and I didn't say you did force me, nor will this article force me. I understand that it is a suggestion, but what you're suggesting takes away freedom from others and at the same time you are advocating for freedom. It is contradictory. "When one is young, one thinks one should get married, because most people do like this. They thought this is right, this is the only choice. But when they are mature enough and find the truth, they might get divorced. This is what happened. People do not get rid of bicycles because bicycles won't blame her, threaten her or beat her. Yes, nowadays, people do stop pregnancy by taking many kinds of contraception measures to avoid abortions. This is the progress of human civilization." Not all believe they should get married. I did not want to get married for a long time, but in recent years my mind changed. I knew what my choices were as there were only two; get married or don't get married. Everyone has the same choices I did. You seem to be generalizing that all people mature and find out that they don't want to be married and want to get divorced, why? Is this your train of thought? If so, why do you think everyone thinks like you? I don't think you understood my analogies. I am saying that it seems that one of the reasons you want to get rid of marriage is because divorces are happening, so your logic seems to be that getting rid of marriage will stop divorces from happening(if am I wrong, correct me). But this way of thinking isn't efficient. It is the same as someone having a leak in their plumbing of their house and instead of fixing the leak, they just remove all the plumbing from their house. I used other examples, like car accidents; the logic you are using is the same saying car accidents are bad so we should get rid of all cars so no car accidents can happen. Plumbing provides your house with sanitation and potable water, cars provide us with transportation and commerce. In marriages and families people provide for one another’s physical, emotional, and social well-being. Parents care for and socialize children, a function that prepares new members of society for their future roles.
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Post by ivy on Dec 9, 2018 3:33:29 GMT
---this is the difference between us. I believe it and all memebers of Lifechanyun celestials believe in this. And in the heaven, the One Thousand Year World, the celestials do not own anything. We are trying to copy the life in heaven. You can find that article and try to read. ---not i think, but they are proving themselves. ----all the greedy, lust, because people feel they are not safe, they worries about not having enough to eat, no place to live in. You believe only your family members can help you. How about all people are in one family, could we help each other? See, we just expand the scale of the family. ----could you tell me the percentage? 50% percent? 5%? have you ever loved other women?If you break up with your girl friend, does that mean you never loved her? ----Some people get divorced 20 or 30 years later, will this long period of time let them see more clearly or not? Do you like women with beautiful body and beautiful souls? But because of marriage, you have to choose only one and pretend you don't like the left. I don't like to see women jealous when they saw their husband admire other women's beauty. Coupls lost their freedom and dignity in marriage. It is shame people enjoy watching that kind of movies. ---what are those bribery used for? Do they collect the money and donate to poor people or to their families? how many people are benifited from this. In different times, the form may change, but its nature didn't change. ---Yes, they do choose not to get married. In Philippine, the law do not accept divorce so people are more cautious about marriage. In China, many parents forcing their children to get married as they think this is life, other choice is wrong. ----no, they don't have this awareness. We are just looking for people who already think the same with us, they are families. -----in case one of them has this consciousness. Who can tell, there are so many coincidences in the world. ---this equals to say somthing is never possible. Like man can never fly in the sky. ---what freedom you are assuming? ----you are right, only a few people like me. I am looking for those 2% people. I am the pioneer. The majority will just wait for things to happen. ---- i understand you. I am just pointing out the disadvantage of marriage, and i am not asking people to get divorced or not getting married. But i want to bring together those who have the same idea. You belong to that majority and i belong to the minority. You are still leading the main stream.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 6:35:42 GMT
Changing what traditional life modes? The modern progressive movement has been a projection away from these traditional values. 1. You claim overpopulation is an issue, however this has been a result of the technocratic industrial base which has caused an imbalance within resource consumption that effectively caused the population expansion to begin with. The cycle through which resources have been processed historically through human labor changed at a rate that effectively Nullifies Any Balance Between Manual Labor And Physical Need Where People Physically Work Less But Consume Either An Equal Or Larger Amount Of Resources Than What Is Necessary While Effectively Being Eliminated From The Work Market Due To Technological Progress. This is assuming there is even an overpopulation to begin with as some studies implied the whole world population of seven billion can be cramped into a metropolis the size ofTexas. Add thfact not only do people consume more than they need, but the majority of industrialization requires further resources just to keep the industry, and tools which form it, moving regardless of material output. We create tools to create further tools. 2. Blaming the human condition for the human condition and then arguing the humanity will solve the problems effectively leaves the proposed solution subject to the issues of human nature to begin with, where greed and lust will determine the framework of interpretation. The current framework for industrialization is premised on greed and lust. The social media movement in technology originates in a lust for seeing new things. We cannot, as global civilization, live without technology due to not just its ingraining in our lives at the personal and practical level but because of the inherent lifestyle has left a genetic footprint in our bloodlines which will pop up sooner or later as a zeitgeist that will haunt the memories of future generations where they will feel out of place because of the memories imprinted in them from further generations. 3. See points 1 and 2. The corresponding cycles of natural law are ingrained as a sort of logical system within the psyches of prior generations. The cyclical nature of the seasons, animal movements, weather, celestial cycles, etc. provided a framework of reasoning through which people observed not just reality but themselves as well. This reasoning premised in a natural law, which can be reflected on certain philosophical movements such as Taoism and Christianity, founded upon a synthetic nature to reality is grounded in an inherent reproductive nature to reality where life joined to life beget more life. In simpler terms sex is a foundation to logic, as well as circularity, through natural law. However in light of a strict progressively linear logic these natural functions have been distorted at the universal level where the creative aspect of nature inherent, through a form of cycling in not just the gene pool but embodied under the cyclical nature of the golden rule itself at the personal level, within man as a universal measure has been distorted to a form of self pleasuring. This ingrained hedonism, a false and irrational hedonism in light of the deeper pleasures of virtue, has caused a changed in the foundational values of man making him/her a means rather than a beginning or end. This hedonism is further magnified under social media where the natural law of creation is inverted to one of Creating An Illusive Identity Founded On Consumption. This Creation Of An Illusive Self Is Founded In The Progressive Linear Logic That Gave Foundation To The Industrial Revolution And Modern Culture And Is Inherent At The Ideological And Intuitive Level Where People Cease To Self Reflect; Hence Are Unable To Bear Not Just Responsibility For Personal Decisions But Inherently Project There Personal States On To Others without being aware. This in turn reflects at the macro level where the continual projection of the self away from the self inhibits any form of stable psychological roots but causes inherent clashing of values in a war of all against all that is the defining attribute of modern culture. People Are Formed According To There Ability To Reason. But between The Inability To Critically Think Due To Modern Noise, As Well As Poor Logical Foundations The Modern Person Is Unable To Make Any Critical Change. 4. See points 1, 2, 3. The Rewriting Of Natural Law, Through The Articificial Sphere Of Technology, Is A War Againstnot Just Nature But The Human Condition As Well. Will extend later, I am just to bored continue. And somehow I doubt Mr. Padova reads the arktos forum. No, Mr. Padova doesn't read the arktos forum. One of us sent email to him. I am sharing here for you to read, for those who are resonant. I am not trying to persuade anyone but to find those who are resonant with Lifechanyuan values. They are born, not learned to be Chanyuan celestials. They like what i shared and feel this is what they have been looking for. Read below article, see if you agree? Everything we enjoy today, except the gift of nature, depends entirely on the invention and creation of human beings and the progress of science and technology. If we abandon the existing scientific and technological achievements and go back to the ancients, it will not be the progress of civilization, but the retrogression of civilization. 39. Science and Civilization
Religion goes hand in hand with fatuity, while science keeps abreast with civilization. Science is the activity and knowledge to understand, explore, and interpret the laws of nature, human society, and thinking. Civilization is a voluntary behavior of man formed on the basis of the correct understanding of material world and nonmaterial world. Without the development and progress of science, civilization is only an extravagant hope. The symbol for real civilization is: no slightest conflict between man and man, man and society, and man and nature, and the sustained harmony without the regulations of laws and without the mechanisms of supervision. For example, how do we dispose of the banana peel after eating a banana on the bus? The uncivilized behavior is to throw it out of the window. We only keep a clean place for ourselves and do not care about the inconvenience to others caused by the banana peel thrown out of the window. The less uncivilized behavior is to place the banana peel under the seat and leave the bus. The civilized behavior is to take the banana peel away and throw it into the dustbin. For another example, suppose an automatic newsagent stand is set up by a road with a large flow of pedestrians, each newspaper sells for one dollar, and beside the pile of newspaper is placed a money box, from which buyers can get the changes of his money. In this situation, the civilized person would willingly place the money into the money box and take away the changesand then fetch a newspaper from the top of the pile of newspaper. The less uncivilized person would also place the money into the box, but would fumble through the box for the cleaner and tidier changes and would not take the newspaper directly from the top of the pile but takes one from the middle of the pile. The uncivilized person would trickly pick newspaper from the pile when seeing no one around and would take one or even two newspaper without paying money, thinking “It does not make any difference whether I take one for free or not”. He would not consider other consequences. He would not pay attention to the losses sustained to the owner of the newspaper. For those who do not pay for the newspaper and worse still pick money from the box, this is not a matter of being civilized or not, but a matter of crime. Some may say that civilization does not have much to do with science. In the remote villages with rustic folkway, The doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street., and doesn’t this count for civilization? This question involves the understanding of science. It is generally believed that space shuttles, ion accelerators, computer networks, magnetic suspension trains, atomic energy power plants, cloning of life, nanotechnology, and atomic bombs are science but farmer’s planting of crops, housewife’s cooking, worker’s operation, and smallbusiness all have nothing to do with science. Many people are biased against science, believing that science is at the same time benefiting mankind and threatening the survival of civilization. For example, as a result of the development of science, people can no longer have any impression of the good old days—in which the doors were not shut at night and no one picked other's loss on the street.. Some people even believe that science should be held responsible for the creation of killing machines like firearms, bombers, and atomic bombs and that science has caused the bustling of mankind and accelerated the pace of life. There are even people who claim that the exhausted resources, the polluted earth, the damaged environment, and people’s spiritual and mental stress are all evils committed by science. Science has been treated unjustly. Science is the activity and knowledge for understanding, exploring, and interpreting the laws of nature, human society, and thinking. How can we impute science simply because of some people’s crooked application of science to other purposes? Science has caused the emergence of automobiles. Can we blame science if a driverhas run into someone? Internet has burst into the modern stage with the development of science. Can we say that science is promoting drugs and pornographic picture albums if someone takes advantage of the network to promote drugs and porn picture albums? With the development of science and the appearance of Television, VCD, DVD, CD, films, telephones, and floods of books and magazines. Some people are utilizing these facilities to conduct vulgar propaganda, which causes people’s tension in sense of time, apathy in human relations, and contortion in psychology and mentality. Can we blame science for all these bad effects? Science has caused the invention of atomic bombs, but can we say that science is intimidating people if someone threatens others with an atomic bomb? If it is tenable to ascribe all misbehaviors and evils of modern society to science, then the following logical reasoning should be completely correct. The reason why Xiao Wang committed murder is because his parents have given birth to him. If his parents have not given birth to him, there would not have been the problem of Xiao Wang’s murder. Then not Xiao Wang but his parents should be blamed for the crime. However, Xiao Wang’s parents were born by their respective parents, so Xiao Wang’s parents’ parents should be responsible for Xiao Wang’s crime. If this reasoning goes further back, the primogenitor of mankind will have to be held responsible. Where did man’s primogenitor come from? Then the earth cannot be exempt from the liability, because without the earth there would have been no primogenitor of mankind. The problem, however, does not end here. Without the solar system, there would have been no earth; and without the Milky Way galaxy, there would have been no solar system. And finally the crime may be traced back to the Greatest Creator who has created the universe. The result of the logical reasoning is that the Greatest Creator is responsible for Xiao Wang’s action of murder. This discursion is ridiculous. If this rationalization is not absurd, then there would be only one solution: destroy mankind, destroy the universe. Who else wants to shift the blame onto science? There is a fallacy, “Science is a double-edged sword”, which undoubtedly implies that “The sun is a double-edged ball”, “The orange is a double-edged fruit”, “The plane is a double-edged aircraft”, and “TV is a double-edged set”. Everything is double-edged anywhere and any time. The result is one’s own parents are double-edged persons. If we compare science to a knife, it totally depends on the user of the knife and has nothing to do with the knife itself whether the knife is used to chop vegetables, to mow grass, to slaughter pigs, or to kill people. When it comes to science, we have to talk about scientists. Now there are more and more scientists, which are a good thing and an inevitable result of social development. But the problem is, “Who can be called scientists?” Who are scientists? Scientists are people who have discovered and can clearly describe or explain a certain law in the field of nature, society, and thinking, which is universally valid within a given limit of time and space. Newton is a scientist because he has discovered gravitation; Einstein is a scientist because he has discovered the mass energy equation; Madame Curie is a scientist because she has discovered radioelements; Planck is a scientist because he has discovered quantum theory; Laplace is a scientist because he has discovered the uncertainty principle. Those who work in science laboratories or with scientists can only be called scientific workers and cannot be called scientists. People capable of explaining certain phenomena cannot be called scientists. Otherwise, I would also be a scientist. People working in certain academy of sciences can not be called scientists. People only capable of making innovations and inventions according to others’ theories can not be called scientists and can only be called inventors, engineers, and technicians. Edison is not a scientist. People only capable of expounding others’ theories are not scientists, either. Many university teachers can explain the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics to students, but they are not scientists, instead they are teachers and professors. A person can only be regarded as one with great power of understanding but cannot be considered a scientist if he has discovered certain law but cannot explain it in clear words. Therefore those who developed atomic bombs according to Einstein’s theories cannot be called scientist. They can at best be regarded as scientific workers or engineers. Scientist is a sacred title. We should not abuse this title by using it randomly; otherwise science and scientists will be tarnished. A person is a scientist if he has discovered and explained a certain theory. That he may later do something detrimental to society with his discovery is a matter of his moral character and social standpoint and has nothing to do with the title of scientist. In the same way, a man has created wealth for himself and the society by making a knife. We cannot say that it is wrong to create wealth just because he later becomes a criminal by killing people with this knife. After we have discovered what science and scientists are, we will understand that science is the catalyst for civilization. Without the guidance of science, man would be like a mob of animals, irrational, irredeemable, and hopeless. Science and scientist are offspring of the Greatest Creator. The Greatest Creator has not created religion, but he has created science and scientist. A real scientist cannot deny the existence of the Greatest Creator, because all that are created by the Greatest Creator are not a result of random actions but are based on science, laws, and principles. The road of science is the road of the Greatest Creator. Who are nearest to the Greatest Creator? Scientists! Human society is marching toward civilization. Today’s society is more civilized than the past. Modern times are more civilized than past times. Whoever is hostile to science, to present time and is afraid of the future can get undressed, destroy all you haveand go back to the virgin forest to see how you can survive. So where is the scientific study to prove all of this? Of what value is science if we have to reach outside of it to determine the truth?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 10, 2018 1:37:15 GMT
---this is the difference between us. I believe it and all memebers of Lifechanyun celestials believe in this. And in the heaven, the One Thousand Year World, the celestials do not own anything. We are trying to copy the life in heaven. You can find that article and try to read. ---not i think, but they are proving themselves. ----all the greedy, lust, because people feel they are not safe, they worries about not having enough to eat, no place to live in. You believe only your family members can help you. How about all people are in one family, could we help each other? See, we just expand the scale of the family. ----could you tell me the percentage? 50% percent? 5%? have you ever loved other women?If you break up with your girl friend, does that mean you never loved her? ----Some people get divorced 20 or 30 years later, will this long period of time let them see more clearly or not? Do you like women with beautiful body and beautiful souls? But because of marriage, you have to choose only one and pretend you don't like the left. I don't like to see women jealous when they saw their husband admire other women's beauty. Coupls lost their freedom and dignity in marriage. It is shame people enjoy watching that kind of movies. ---what are those bribery used for? Do they collect the money and donate to poor people or to their families? how many people are benifited from this. In different times, the form may change, but its nature didn't change. ---Yes, they do choose not to get married. In Philippine, the law do not accept divorce so people are more cautious about marriage. In China, many parents forcing their children to get married as they think this is life, other choice is wrong. ----no, they don't have this awareness. We are just looking for people who already think the same with us, they are families. -----in case one of them has this consciousness. Who can tell, there are so many coincidences in the world. ---this equals to say somthing is never possible. Like man can never fly in the sky. ---what freedom you are assuming? ----you are right, only a few people like me. I am looking for those 2% people. I am the pioneer. The majority will just wait for things to happen. ---- i understand you. I am just pointing out the disadvantage of marriage, and i am not asking people to get divorced or not getting married. But i want to bring together those who have the same idea. You belong to that majority and i belong to the minority. You are still leading the main stream. "this is the difference between us. I believe it and all memebers of Lifechanyun celestials believe in this. And in the heaven, the One Thousand Year World, the celestials do not own anything. We are trying to copy the life in heaven. You can find that article and try to read." How do you know what heaven is like? Have you been there before? "not i think, but they are proving themselves." So, one doesn't think it is the individuals within the marriage or families that cause the issues? Let's say someone within your community is trying to cause corruption, will you now blame your community for the actions of one corrupt person? "all the greedy, lust, because people feel they are not safe, they worries about not having enough to eat, no place to live in. You believe only your family members can help you. How about all people are in one family, could we help each other? See, we just expand the scale of the family." And by expanding the scale of the family, now everyone becomes corrupt at least by the logic you are expounding to me here. You said families are the source of corruption, but you are wanting to put everyone into one giant family. So we will just have one giant corrupt family shrug "could you tell me the percentage? 50% percent? 5%? have you ever loved other women?If you break up with your girl friend, does that mean you never loved her? " How about this... "There are a variety of fundamentals that make marriages successful. According to results from a GfK Roper poll, people believe a successful marriage will be a happy one. Most people believe that a good marriage is defined as being happy at least 75 percent of the time. About 17 percent of people believe a couple should happy more than half the time. Just one percent think of marriage as successful if the couple is happy 25 percent of the time. The people who responded to the poll seem to find themselves in happy marriages. Most of them, 75 percent, said they are happy at least three-quarters of the time. About 15 percent said they are happy at least half the time. Just 5 percent said they are never happy in their marriages." www.wevorce.com/blog/poll-most-marriages-are-happy/Yes, I have loved a woman and I am in love with a woman now. No, if I break up with a girlfriend it does not mean I never loved her. "Some people get divorced 20 or 30 years later, will this long period of time let them see more clearly or not? Do you like women with beautiful body and beautiful souls? But because of marriage, you have to choose only one and pretend you don't like the left. I don't like to see women jealous when they saw their husband admire other women's beauty. Coupls lost their freedom and dignity in marriage. It is shame people enjoy watching that kind of movies. " How do you know they are seeing more clearly? Why isn't it them becoming more selfish? Physical beauty is vain, it means nothing. A man shouldn't marry a woman solely for her physical beauty. How does a married couple lose their dignity? Where are you getting this basis for this idea? As far as freedom goes, yes a married couple will lose some of their freedom, but it is freedom that they should not care to lose because it is replaced with something they care more about, something they are giving their life to; it is for love. "what are those bribery used for? Do they collect the money and donate to poor people or to their families? how many people are benifited from this. In different times, the form may change, but its nature didn't change." No, most of the money goes back into their interests which makes them more money. GREED is the issue there, not families. Families do not cause greed. Yes, the form may change and the nature didn't; it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. "Yes, they do choose not to get married. In Philippine, the law do not accept divorce so people are more cautious about marriage. In China, many parents forcing their children to get married as they think this is life, other choice is wrong." I do not think parents in China forcing their children do get married is right. If someone does not want to get married, they should not get married. There is nothing wrong with not getting married, but there is also nothing wrong with getting married. "no, they don't have this awareness. We are just looking for people who already think the same with us, they are families." "in case one of them has this consciousness. Who can tell, there are so many coincidences in the world. " Would you like to see the UN enforce your idea of living on the rest of the world? "this equals to say somthing is never possible. Like man can never fly in the sky." In all of history, we have never seen all people come under agreement of one way of living. I am a Christian, I believe the Bible and Bible prophecy. In the Bible it tells of a time where the world will come under agreement under one unified global system of governance, a one world religion, and a single global currency. The Bible says this time will be the end of the world and Jesus Christ will return and take vengeance on the world. This is what I believe and this is why I warn you now about having the UN enforce any way of living as a global government upon the rest of the world. It is a sign of end times. "what freedom you are assuming?" The freedom to choose how one wants to live their life without anyone or any institution forcing them to live a certain way. You advocated for a global government to enforce your idea of living on the rest of the world, did you not? If you did not, and I am mistaken, please correct me. "you are right, only a few people like me. I am looking for those 2% people. I am the pioneer. The majority will just wait for things to happen." "i understand you. I am just pointing out the disadvantage of marriage, and i am not asking people to get divorced or not getting married. But i want to bring together those who have the same idea. You belong to that majority and i belong to the minority. You are still leading the main stream." If the majority of people wanted the idea of living you are advocating for, how would you deal with the minority?
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