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Post by prophettom on Nov 29, 2018 22:02:31 GMT
GENESIS; 3: 22 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
I ask you my friends when we see this and understand it does it not prove we were always forgiven and meant to live forever?
What do you think this will reveal about the story of Jesus Christ?
I say we never needed forgiven. We just needed to learn from our mistakes. The evil we endure here is like a vaccination against doing evil that we did not know was evil. When we meet God he teaches you a quick lesson about how we been deceived in the great tribulation. All so we could behave and act far better in the span of all eternity. For this says we are to live forever with out the need for blood on the cross.
The only thing that that truly gave us was to learn we never had to do burnt sacrifice or beast blood sacrifice ever again to feel forgiven because it was truly never needed. But don't forget we still must refrain from evil and look to see what evils we truly have as individuals.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Dec 6, 2018 0:33:58 GMT
In that quote it shows that God wanting to prevent the man from taking from the tree of life and living forever.
If you are human then you are going to die someday. I think it says in chapter 9 of Ecclesiastes that we are going to sheole.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 6, 2018 0:35:27 GMT
If that's true then we'd have to do nothing so why is there hell if we have always been forgiven?
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 7, 2018 14:40:29 GMT
Also so you are saying Jesus did play a role in forgiveness?
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Post by prophettom on Dec 10, 2018 14:30:26 GMT
Also so you are saying Jesus did play a role in forgiveness? I am saying Jesus needs your forgiveness once you learn what he did. That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils. God always has had the mind to forgive man. To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act. I know what people believe. I also know that they are taught to believe that from the fallen that fell here in the time of Adam and Eve. The ones that orchestrated our fall from the garden of Eden.
It is like a vaccination against evil for all eternity to be taught the evil ways of law first. So they created a evil environment full of half truth and misguiding kindnesses. Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil. Even though it is not meant to last forever it still is. But that time is soon to be over. The fallen Devils have had their evils used against them by God this way. But their time to repent is nearly up. If they do not repent than at long last they will be given the next stage of punishment. Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by. So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best. For they think through them they shall find peace. But it is not done that way.
Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here. This is hell. You are born to hell when you are our kind for a while longer. But the time is near. God did teach me that in word of vision.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 10, 2018 14:36:31 GMT
Also so you are saying Jesus did play a role in forgiveness? I am saying Jesus needs your forgiveness once you learn what he did. That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils. God always has had the mind to forgive man. To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act. I know what people believe. I also know that they are taught to believe that from the fallen that fell here in the time of Adam and Eve. The ones that orchestrated our fall from the garden of Eden.
It is like a vaccination against evil for all eternity to be taught the evil ways of law first. So they created a evil environment full of half truth and misguiding kindnesses. Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil. Even though it is not meant to last forever it still is. But that time is soon to be over. The fallen Devils have had their evils used against them by God this way. But their time to repent is nearly up. If they do not repent than at long last they will be given the next stage of punishment. Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by. So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best. For they think through them they shall find peace. But it is not done that way.
Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here. This is hell. You are born to hell when you are our kind for a while longer. But the time is near. God did teach me that in word of vision.
Lucifer has a sister? Is she the one that's called the queen of heaven?
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Post by prophettom on Dec 10, 2018 14:38:11 GMT
If that's true then we'd have to do nothing so why is there hell if we have always been forgiven? Well it is true. But that does not mean you will be given a pleasant life if you refuse to repent. So you are forgiven and you will live forever. We all will and do. But you must repent to be forgiven. the fallen Devils have gotten 10 k years to do so. Despite the abuse they are to man they still live. You will be given the truth. You will be given time to repent. But that does not mean you can avoid the heat about it when you are taught the truth and try to refuse it. The law of all religion will lead only to false peace death and hell. Pale horse and rider. We can no longer ignore that fact and the fact that it has affected even our laws given to us by Governments. They are tainted laws too.
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Post by prophettom on Dec 10, 2018 14:46:14 GMT
In that quote it shows that God wanting to prevent the man from taking from the tree of life and living forever. If you are human then you are going to die someday. I think it says in chapter 9 of Ecclesiastes that we are going to sheole. I see your point. But no he did not want you to have to endure this hell on this earth. It is about the knowing of Good and evil. So the innocence of man chose evil over the word of God. So god put us under them and them as our God. He used that failure of us to teach us better of it after death. We should actually calibrate the dead and morn the living. The dead leave this hell to be prepared for heaven. The living here are still bound in hell over the fallen Angels that deceived Eve so long ago. But the death ends soon. The Lord God is not God. It is a son of God. He is fallen and always has been in any written history we have of his activities. It is he that wants to kill every man ever born. Well him and a few 10 thousand other fallen angels.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 10, 2018 16:08:24 GMT
Also so you are saying Jesus did play a role in forgiveness? I am saying Jesus needs your forgiveness once you learn what he did. That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils. God always has had the mind to forgive man. To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act. I know what people believe. I also know that they are taught to believe that from the fallen that fell here in the time of Adam and Eve. The ones that orchestrated our fall from the garden of Eden.
It is like a vaccination against evil for all eternity to be taught the evil ways of law first. So they created a evil environment full of half truth and misguiding kindnesses. Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil. Even though it is not meant to last forever it still is. But that time is soon to be over. The fallen Devils have had their evils used against them by God this way. But their time to repent is nearly up. If they do not repent than at long last they will be given the next stage of punishment. Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by. So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best. For they think through them they shall find peace. But it is not done that way.
Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here. This is hell. You are born to hell when you are our kind for a while longer. But the time is near. God did teach me that in word of vision.
“That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils.” What false sign was He given? “To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act.” So God taught man to be evil? “Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil.” So if we get a small dose of evil we won’t be evil? “Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by.” What do you mean by space age and stone age? “So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best.” But you said earth is hell. The Bible says not to love or be friends with the world shrug “Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here.” Satan and Lucifer are two different beings? Who is their sister?
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Post by prophettom on Dec 10, 2018 17:23:28 GMT
I am saying Jesus needs your forgiveness once you learn what he did. That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils. God always has had the mind to forgive man. To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act. I know what people believe. I also know that they are taught to believe that from the fallen that fell here in the time of Adam and Eve. The ones that orchestrated our fall from the garden of Eden.
It is like a vaccination against evil for all eternity to be taught the evil ways of law first. So they created a evil environment full of half truth and misguiding kindnesses. Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil. Even though it is not meant to last forever it still is. But that time is soon to be over. The fallen Devils have had their evils used against them by God this way. But their time to repent is nearly up. If they do not repent than at long last they will be given the next stage of punishment. Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by. So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best. For they think through them they shall find peace. But it is not done that way.
Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here. This is hell. You are born to hell when you are our kind for a while longer. But the time is near. God did teach me that in word of vision.
“That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils.” What false sign was He given? “To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act.” So God taught man to be evil? “Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil.” So if we get a small dose of evil we won’t be evil? “Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by.” What do you mean by space age and stone age? “So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best.” But you said earth is hell. The Bible says not to love or be friends with the world “Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here.” Satan and Lucifer are two different beings? Who is their sister? This is going to be hard for you. But in order to beat the mark of the beast that you do bare you are going to have to see why these things i say are true and of The first of all known Gods.
He said that the ten commandments were holy and of God. But it was Satan himself that was with Moses in the time Man was given a law since the time of Noah after the flood. You were given a vision of him as a true resurrection. Yes vision do also have the sense of touch when they need them to. So he was never truly resurrected and the one with Lazureth tells on itself he is in a deep sleep Jesus said Satan merely woke him from the Coma he had put him in a few days before Jesus got there. He also said let he who is evil be evil still. Not going to get no peace with that little law in place. Than the pigs. You know what happened. Satan just drove the pigs off the cliff by scaring them in their minds they acted crazy and irrational. Than he was able to make man believe Jesus cast out demons when all he did was help Satan create false sign. The deceit is that deep
God allowed man to be taught evil in a effort to burn the evil fallen angels had out and hoping they would become ill of it and never want to do it again. But it has not worked. So he made the use of it as i have said he has before in this thread.
Yeah so when you are awakened as I have been you wont want any part of this evil that goes on in this earth. It is hell.
They were with God. So they had the ability to travel space like space ships and things of this nature. That is only new to man Not God. So they got tossed from the space age with God all the way back to a stone age on this earth. It was not meant to be a reward for their behavior. But it did not work. Next comes solitude for them. So they can no longer abuse anyone but themselves. Put a end to this grinding wheel of evil they have everyone on.
Yeah this is hell. No the fallen do not want you here for long. To much age would reveal these things so they made us with short lives after the fall from Eden with them From Adam and Eve. So yeah they toss in things you need. But lace the words in a way you get the wrong impression. If you do not love this world. Than you must have death to leave it. So they have you worshiping death and thinking it is the holy way. I assure you it is not. Soul can be harvested with out all this torture we endure.
Yes Satan is coy cunning and charming speaks with a bass voice. Lucifer has a tenor voice and is mean and hateful. Tries to get his way through torture and fear tactics. Yes i endure his tortures for revealing it. Satan is who they call the Father. So his daughter is known to you as the Holy Ghost. Making the Father The son and The Holy Spirit or Ghost foul and wretched spirits that leap from the false prophets mouth like frogs. Utter them as holy and they believe. Reveal their treachery and learn the real war between God and them is still here. I am cast in the middle of it after being Chosen. And Judged.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 11, 2018 1:22:39 GMT
“That he is the false prophet and messiah that was given false sign by devils.” What false sign was He given? “To not forgive man is like teaching a baby to do wrong than abuse them for the way they act.” So God taught man to be evil? “Just like a Shot against small pox you get a small exposure to it so you wont get it. Same happens here with evil.” So if we get a small dose of evil we won’t be evil? “Casting them from the space age to a stone age has only made them worse as time goes by.” What do you mean by space age and stone age? “So the fallen are activity trying to stop my prophecy in hopes to save their half truths that lead you to believe in death and hell best.” But you said earth is hell. The Bible says not to love or be friends with the world “Dear Earth is hell and Satan and Lucifer and their sister are the three that rule here over the 10 k fallen angels that are here.” Satan and Lucifer are two different beings? Who is their sister? This is going to be hard for you. But in order to beat the mark of the beast that you do bare you are going to have to see why these things i say are true and of The first of all known Gods.
He said that the ten commandments were holy and of God. But it was Satan himself that was with Moses in the time Man was given a law since the time of Noah after the flood. You were given a vision of him as a true resurrection. Yes vision do also have the sense of touch when they need them to. So he was never truly resurrected and the one with Lazureth tells on itself he is in a deep sleep Jesus said Satan merely woke him from the Coma he had put him in a few days before Jesus got there. He also said let he who is evil be evil still. Not going to get no peace with that little law in place. Than the pigs. You know what happened. Satan just drove the pigs off the cliff by scaring them in their minds they acted crazy and irrational. Than he was able to make man believe Jesus cast out demons when all he did was help Satan create false sign. The deceit is that deep
God allowed man to be taught evil in a effort to burn the evil fallen angels had out and hoping they would become ill of it and never want to do it again. But it has not worked. So he made the use of it as i have said he has before in this thread.
Yeah so when you are awakened as I have been you wont want any part of this evil that goes on in this earth. It is hell.
They were with God. So they had the ability to travel space like space ships and things of this nature. That is only new to man Not God. So they got tossed from the space age with God all the way back to a stone age on this earth. It was not meant to be a reward for their behavior. But it did not work. Next comes solitude for them. So they can no longer abuse anyone but themselves. Put a end to this grinding wheel of evil they have everyone on.
Yeah this is hell. No the fallen do not want you here for long. To much age would reveal these things so they made us with short lives after the fall from Eden with them From Adam and Eve. So yeah they toss in things you need. But lace the words in a way you get the wrong impression. If you do not love this world. Than you must have death to leave it. So they have you worshiping death and thinking it is the holy way. I assure you it is not. Soul can be harvested with out all this torture we endure.
Yes Satan is coy cunning and charming speaks with a bass voice. Lucifer has a tenor voice and is mean and hateful. Tries to get his way through torture and fear tactics. Yes i endure his tortures for revealing it. Satan is who they call the Father. So his daughter is known to you as the Holy Ghost. Making the Father The son and The Holy Spirit or Ghost foul and wretched spirits that leap from the false prophets mouth like frogs. Utter them as holy and they believe. Reveal their treachery and learn the real war between God and them is still here. I am cast in the middle of it after being Chosen. And Judged.
"So he was never truly resurrected" How do you know this? "Jesus said Satan merely woke him from the Coma he had put him in a few days before Jesus got there." Where does it say this? "He also said let he who is evil be evil still." Who said this? Which verse? "Satan just drove the pigs off the cliff by scaring them in their minds they acted crazy and irrational. Than he was able to make man believe Jesus cast out demons when all he did was help Satan create false sign. The deceit is that deep" What can you cite that shows us that Satan gave Jesus a false sign? "God allowed man to be taught evil in a effort to burn the evil fallen angels had out and hoping they would become ill of it and never want to do it again. But it has not worked. So he made the use of it as i have said he has before in this thread." Hmm, so God is not omniscient nor omnipotent? Also, where are you getting this story from? "Yeah so when you are awakened as I have been you wont want any part of this evil that goes on in this earth. It is hell." So where do all the unsaved people go when they die? Where do all the saved people go when they die? And why are you in hell? "They were with God. So they had the ability to travel space like space ships and things of this nature. That is only new to man Not God. So they got tossed from the space age with God all the way back to a stone age on this earth. It was not meant to be a reward for their behavior. But it did not work. Next comes solitude for them. So they can no longer abuse anyone but themselves. Put a end to this grinding wheel of evil they have everyone on." So God's plans keep failing? Seems like a very limited God, hmm. "Yeah this is hell. No the fallen do not want you here for long. To much age would reveal these things so they made us with short lives after the fall from Eden with them From Adam and Eve. So yeah they toss in things you need. But lace the words in a way you get the wrong impression. If you do not love this world. Than you must have death to leave it. So they have you worshiping death and thinking it is the holy way. I assure you it is not. Soul can be harvested with out all this torture we endure." So, this world is hell, and we are supposed to love it? But, I don't worship death and I don't think death is the holy way "Yes Satan is coy cunning and charming speaks with a bass voice. Lucifer has a tenor voice and is mean and hateful. Tries to get his way through torture and fear tactics. Yes i endure his tortures for revealing it. Satan is who they call the Father. So his daughter is known to you as the Holy Ghost. Making the Father The son and The Holy Spirit or Ghost foul and wretched spirits that leap from the false prophets mouth like frogs. Utter them as holy and they believe. Reveal their treachery and learn the real war between God and them is still here. I am cast in the middle of it after being Chosen. And Judged." What can you cite that supports what you are saying? Why should I trust you or anything you are saying? What are you seeking at the end of the day? Also, you quoted a verse in your OP and said it is proof we have always been forgiven... but you said the Bible is corrupted; if the Bible is corrupted how can we trust that anything in it is proof of anything?... What happens to a bucket of water when you put one drop of poison in it? What happens when you put just a small amount of yeast into a batch of dough? What happens when you mix a few small lies with the whole truth?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Dec 11, 2018 6:43:34 GMT
Also, I’d like to know exactly what you think is wrong with the 10 commandments.
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Post by spacepantz86 on Dec 11, 2018 7:31:04 GMT
I dont think people have problem with the 10 commandments, I just think people are over having those 10 commandments micro-managed by the leading churches around the world. And now that everyone can see the wealth these big churches have gathered, why the fuck are people hungry and dying still. People are over being told if you don't believe in this god, bad things will happen, even if you are a good person. I highly doubt the creator of this universe made a special place for people to burn, it would be infinite, its patient and more importantly, its teaching us. What happens when someone fails to learn a lesson, well they just keep failing is all. And a forgiving creator, as people say it is, would understand, so it teaches the lesson again. IF we based our discipline system on that kind of thinking/pattern. The jails would have more people than the outside world would Why do we have to pay for our spirituality anymore? We do not. The churchs and religion have done their job, they aided us with belief and a sense of community for the greater good. All churchs main beliefs are good, dont hurt people, forgive, help where you can, you know be a good person. Thats done, the majority of souls living on the planet are good people, we have a minority that are inherently evil and then we have a minority who are inherently good. We need to evolve spiritually. There are a lot of reasons our spiritual evolution as come to a stand still, the biggest is our old traditional religious systems are just not working as we evolve all the other aspects of our lives. This leaves us in a disconnected state, putting our growth as a species at a stand still, to the point we are facing self destruction on catastrophic proportions. Thank you for reading
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Post by spacepantz86 on Dec 11, 2018 7:42:44 GMT
Jesus was a lesson. we have lived thinking he payed for our sins through him? Even with the threat of hell. This type of thinking promotes, "A sorry" will fix anything, when indeed it wont.
actions - reactions, positive - negative, right - wrong.
To cancel out one, you need to enact the other.
Sorry is not an action, its a word to mitgate damage until a reaction is applied.
So having a focus of religion that some poor bugger paid for all of our sins. Takes any true obligation to the sin away.
btw sins = lessons +learning = lessons learnt = true forgiveness.
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Post by prophettom on Dec 11, 2018 16:44:38 GMT
Also, I’d like to know exactly what you think is wrong with the 10 commandments. Okay I know things because I am a Prophet. I am not just a bible scholar like you. I have seen the missing pages of the book of Mary. In them Jesus told her he was of the flame. So some of these things i know from vision and guidance of God. You have to understand i do not read about these Fallen Gods and God himself. I live with them. I am never alone ever. I would not wish upon you all i been through to learn it. So you wont find all I know written. Some of it i say from experience. They swear up and down Mohammad ascended. Do you think that was more than a illusion that we refer to as vision? I assure you both he and Jesus were just a vision in these matters. To create false sign and empower evil laws as holy. So the ten commandments. They empower slavery for one Thou shall not covet they neighbor mans servant or maidservant and so on. That sir is empowering slavery and offering the slave no way out!
Jesus said that law was and is the holy law.
Tell me do you think it just if I were to punish your grandchildren and great grandchildren for the sins you have done? Is that just and holy to you? I say this for perspective purpose only. I know it is not just and holy just like you do. That said How is I shall visit the inequities of the father to the third and forth generation holy? Because thats the exact same thing you know is unholy. Did you know as you slide into the judgments that the killing of a slave by his master is to be over looked if no one notices the slave dead for a day or two. The only punishment to the owner is the loss of a slave and the value that slave had. Ill let you see that serpent in that staff and the Flame as a God in my next thread
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