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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 19, 2018 3:34:55 GMT
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Post by prophettom on Nov 29, 2018 1:46:55 GMT
I think that the prejudice against a gay leader is a bad Idea. Religion should not promote a reason to hate a form of love that even happens in animals. Yes they happen and gay animals are real. If we are going to need to hate. Hate Hatred. But to hate because some one prefers same sex in companionship is a bad path you hate them because they love their own kind! You cant see you are hating a form of legitimate love. Hate for his deceit and blackmail if those things are true. But do not hate him for loving or having sex with another man. It is not a sin. It just goes against the devils goals to kill as many humans as they can for all eternity! So they want you to procreate. Gay couples typically do not have Children.
But educate him to the things he does wrong is the way to love him but hate what he does. That is the path I feel we all should seek to follow! Love for own gender is not wrong! It is just unaccepted! relations with your own gender is a choice and a preference but there is no sin in it. The sin is the prejudice against it.
I'd say homosexuals are confused. We live in a fallen world, so there is going to be confusion whether it is between animals or man. Homosexuality is quite simply unnatural if we can agree that procreation, which requires a male and a female, is the natural way. hmm. They are not confused in my opinion. they have a natural desire for the same sex but I will submit that it may be a disease. But no they know what they want and are not confused at all about it. It is about pleasure for them and a expression of love same as straight couples. Only straight couples can have children and be fruitful and multiply. Which is fine and natural there is still a lot of room out there in space. But honestly even though I chose straight cause I love a girls curves and body they are no danger to us or anyone. It is the prejudice against them that the real danger is. Should they raise kids? I see no harm in it so long as they let the child decide his or her preference on their own same as they did. But they should not push either way in my opinion.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Nov 29, 2018 3:26:34 GMT
I'd say homosexuals are confused. We live in a fallen world, so there is going to be confusion whether it is between animals or man. Homosexuality is quite simply unnatural if we can agree that procreation, which requires a male and a female, is the natural way. hmm. They are not confused in my opinion. they have a natural desire for the same sex but I will submit that it may be a disease. But no they know what they want and are not confused at all about it. It is about pleasure for them and a expression of love same as straight couples. Only straight couples can have children and be fruitful and multiply. Which is fine and natural there is still a lot of room out there in space. But honestly even though I chose straight cause I love a girls curves and body they are no danger to us or anyone. It is the prejudice against them that the real danger is. Should they raise kids? I see no harm in it so long as they let the child decide his or her preference on their own same as they did. But they should not push either way in my opinion. I mean confused as in they do not know what is natural and what isn't, and by natural I mean procreation does not exist when you have a man with a man or a woman with a woman. Homosexuality is unnatural in the sense that the natural order of life, being procreation, cannot continue with the homosexual disorientation. Homosexuality is, more or less, rebellion from and of that which is natural. I don't know if it could be called a disease necessarily, it is more of a disorder than a disease. As you said, people choose to be homosexual; disorders affect the decisions of people all the time. It is more about pleasure than it is about love. Their attraction is the same sex, it pleasures them to be with the same sex. Love, real love, has nothing to do with their unnatural attractions. Love and sex, or rather lust, are not the same thing.
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Post by prophettom on Nov 29, 2018 4:04:23 GMT
hmm. They are not confused in my opinion. they have a natural desire for the same sex but I will submit that it may be a disease. But no they know what they want and are not confused at all about it. It is about pleasure for them and a expression of love same as straight couples. Only straight couples can have children and be fruitful and multiply. Which is fine and natural there is still a lot of room out there in space. But honestly even though I chose straight cause I love a girls curves and body they are no danger to us or anyone. It is the prejudice against them that the real danger is. Should they raise kids? I see no harm in it so long as they let the child decide his or her preference on their own same as they did. But they should not push either way in my opinion. I mean confused as in they do not know what is natural and what isn't, and by natural I mean procreation does not exist when you have a man with a man or a woman with a woman. Homosexuality is unnatural in the sense that the natural order of life, being procreation, cannot continue with the homosexual disorientation. Homosexuality is, more or less, rebellion from and of that which is natural. I don't know if it could be called a disease necessarily, it is more of a disorder than a disease. As you said, people choose to be homosexual; disorders affect the decisions of people all the time. It is more about pleasure than it is about love. Their attraction is the same sex, it pleasures them to be with the same sex. Love, real love, has nothing to do with their unnatural attractions. Love and sex, or rather lust, are not the same thing. Hog wash! I know a lot of Homosexuals actually they take life partners and they love as you love a wife. I said they prefer, not they chose as I recall. I said I chose. Anyway disorder is a disease. You want to say mental illness is a disorder or a disease? It is both! They are very much the same! Not all disease creates sickness or death. Born with one arm is a disorder and the disease that creates that disorder is the same one that makes age rot the flesh of men. It rots on your very bones as you live slowly making your life slip away. It is a disease and the world is plagued in it. It was done at the cellular level so that we do not regenerate fast enough to keep up with time. It is that same disease that creates such disorders. Disease causes these disorders. They can choose to deny their preference and go heterosexual and many do. But all that I know that have actually ended up divorced, they are not happy. So don't tell me they do not know what is natural they do. They choose to follow their heart over your idea of correct behavior.
You really need to climb out from under that rock and crawl out of that cave so you can see the light of day! Those Mountains you think holy are fallen your idealism that all need to act the way you act is preposterous and full of prejudice. I know you think you are not however when you think to know their heart is lust and not love. You proven your prejudice by that statement alone and cant see you are! They love each other. Just like Heterosexuals casual sex is a choice some follow and some do not. They just prefer same sex that's all it is not a disorder its
You are the kind that worship hell and death best! If anyone has a preference you don't like you cast insults and unfounded accusations! You expect them to be cast to the lake of fire and brimstone and face the second death all because you think it is wrong they prefer same gender and you deem it unnatural and a abomination and sin. Your statement about them reveals it. Next you will be giving me the bible quote that says to kill them for they are a abomination. You still think that is holy? that they should not live and laugh and love all because you been taught not to accept it! The lord in those books are always devils! ALWAYS! that book is evil stop looking at it for guidance it is the guide to a fall to worship hell and death best. to give you reason to feel justified to judge against them so easily and it bred hate in you where no hate should have ever been.
In closing I would argue you think they are mentally ill and incapable of a good choice! But your choice to believe in that is the real disorder or mental illness or disease or better yet the inability to make a good choice!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Nov 29, 2018 4:58:20 GMT
I mean confused as in they do not know what is natural and what isn't, and by natural I mean procreation does not exist when you have a man with a man or a woman with a woman. Homosexuality is unnatural in the sense that the natural order of life, being procreation, cannot continue with the homosexual disorientation. Homosexuality is, more or less, rebellion from and of that which is natural. I don't know if it could be called a disease necessarily, it is more of a disorder than a disease. As you said, people choose to be homosexual; disorders affect the decisions of people all the time. It is more about pleasure than it is about love. Their attraction is the same sex, it pleasures them to be with the same sex. Love, real love, has nothing to do with their unnatural attractions. Love and sex, or rather lust, are not the same thing. Hog wash! I know a lot of Homosexuals actually they take life partners and they love as you love a wife. I said they prefer, not they chose as I recall. I said I chose. Anyway disorder is a disease. You want to say mental illness is a disorder or a disease? It is both! They are very much the same! Not all disease creates sickness or death. Born with one arm is a disorder and the disease that creates that disorder is the same one that makes age rot the flesh of men. It rots on your very bones as you live slowly making your life slip away. It is a disease and the world is plagued in it. It was done at the cellular level so that we do not regenerate fast enough to keep up with time. It is that same disease that creates such disorders. Disease causes these disorders. They can choose to deny their preference and go heterosexual and many do. But all that I know that have actually ended up divorced, they are not happy. So don't tell me they do not know what is natural they do. They choose to follow their heart over your idea of correct behavior.
You really need to climb out from under that rock and crawl out of that cave so you can see the light of day! Those Mountains you think holy are fallen your idealism that all need to act the way you act is preposterous and full of prejudice. I know you think you are not however when you think to know their heart is lust and not love. You proven your prejudice by that statement alone and cant see you are! They love each other. Just like Heterosexuals casual sex is a choice some follow and some do not. They just prefer same sex that's all it is not a disorder its You are the kind that worship hell and death best! If anyone has a preference you don't like you cast insults and unfounded accusations! You expect them to be cast to the lake of fire and brimstone and face the second death all because you think it is wrong they prefer same gender and you deem it unnatural and a abomination and sin. Your statement about them reveals it. Next you will be giving me the bible quote that says to kill them for they are a abomination. You still think that is holy? that they should not live and laugh and love all because you been taught not to accept it! The lord in those books are always devils! ALWAYS! that book is evil stop looking at it for guidance it is the guide to a fall to worship hell and death best. to give you reason to feel justified to judge against them so easily and it bred hate in you where no hate should have ever been.
In closing I would argue you think they are mentally ill and incapable of a good choice! But your choice to believe in that is the real disorder or mental illness or disease or better yet the inability to make a good choice!
I think you're having trouble understanding what I am saying. I never said they could not love, I said that their attractions have nothing to do with love. This is exactly what you said, You said it is a choice. Or are you now retracting your statement? A disorder is a lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion. A disease is any abnormal condition that interferes with vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc. Hence, disease has to do with health. A homosexual can be perfectly healthy with no diseases, though, many of them aren't, but that is a different discussion. Diseases cause disorders, but not all disorders are diseases, but this doesn't matter. The fact is that they have unnatural affections toward the same sex. If they knew what was natural they would not do what is unnatural. You cannot say that someone who changes from homosexuality to being heterosexual always knew what was natural, it just means they swing both ways which is still unnatural. Sure, there are some who go to being heterosexual and stay there, good for them, they are doing it right. It isn't my idea of correct behavior, it is God's. Man's ways always lead to death; there is no procreation in homosexuality, only death. How am I prejudice? I do not treat homosexuals any different than I would you or anyone else. I don't hate them, I just do not like their lifestyle, I think it is wrong. I never said anyone needed act just like me either. I don't set myself as an example for the world. If me thinking their lifestyle as wrong is prejudice, then you're prejudice against people who you disagree with by that definition and therefore sinning, according to you. I can love someone of the same sex without having a lust for them. Again, these are not my own made up preferences, I get them from the Bible. So your issue isn't me, it's with the Bible, which is God's word. I also never casted insults or accusations, that's actually what you have been doing since you got here. You called me an idiot in another thread, and now you are falsely accusing me of being prejudice because I don't agree with a specific lifestyle. I never said they are incapable of making a good choice, but I did say I think they are confused and that is all I said. If you can't have a discussion without committing ad hominem then there's no point in having a discussion shrug
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Post by prophettom on Nov 29, 2018 6:50:39 GMT
Hog wash! I know a lot of Homosexuals actually they take life partners and they love as you love a wife. I said they prefer, not they chose as I recall. I said I chose. Anyway disorder is a disease. You want to say mental illness is a disorder or a disease? It is both! They are very much the same! Not all disease creates sickness or death. Born with one arm is a disorder and the disease that creates that disorder is the same one that makes age rot the flesh of men. It rots on your very bones as you live slowly making your life slip away. It is a disease and the world is plagued in it. It was done at the cellular level so that we do not regenerate fast enough to keep up with time. It is that same disease that creates such disorders. Disease causes these disorders. They can choose to deny their preference and go heterosexual and many do. But all that I know that have actually ended up divorced, they are not happy. So don't tell me they do not know what is natural they do. They choose to follow their heart over your idea of correct behavior.
You really need to climb out from under that rock and crawl out of that cave so you can see the light of day! Those Mountains you think holy are fallen your idealism that all need to act the way you act is preposterous and full of prejudice. I know you think you are not however when you think to know their heart is lust and not love. You proven your prejudice by that statement alone and cant see you are! They love each other. Just like Heterosexuals casual sex is a choice some follow and some do not. They just prefer same sex that's all it is not a disorder its You are the kind that worship hell and death best! If anyone has a preference you don't like you cast insults and unfounded accusations! You expect them to be cast to the lake of fire and brimstone and face the second death all because you think it is wrong they prefer same gender and you deem it unnatural and a abomination and sin. Your statement about them reveals it. Next you will be giving me the bible quote that says to kill them for they are a abomination. You still think that is holy? that they should not live and laugh and love all because you been taught not to accept it! The lord in those books are always devils! ALWAYS! that book is evil stop looking at it for guidance it is the guide to a fall to worship hell and death best. to give you reason to feel justified to judge against them so easily and it bred hate in you where no hate should have ever been.
In closing I would argue you think they are mentally ill and incapable of a good choice! But your choice to believe in that is the real disorder or mental illness or disease or better yet the inability to make a good choice!
I think you're having trouble understanding what I am saying. I never said they could not love, I said that their attractions have nothing to do with love. This is exactly what you said, You said it is a choice. Or are you now retracting your statement? A disorder is a lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion. A disease is any abnormal condition that interferes with vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc. Hence, disease has to do with health. A homosexual can be perfectly healthy with no diseases, though, many of them aren't, but that is a different discussion. Diseases cause disorders, but not all disorders are diseases, but this doesn't matter. The fact is that they have unnatural affections toward the same sex. If they knew what was natural they would not do what is unnatural. You cannot say that someone who changes from homosexuality to being heterosexual always knew what was natural, it just means they swing both ways which is still unnatural. Sure, there are some who go to being heterosexual and stay there, good for them, they are doing it right. It isn't my idea of correct behavior, it is God's. Man's ways always lead to death; there is no procreation in homosexuality, only death. How am I prejudice? I do not treat homosexuals any different than I would you or anyone else. I don't hate them, I just do not like their lifestyle, I think it is wrong. I never said anyone needed act just like me either. I don't set myself as an example for the world. If me thinking their lifestyle as wrong is prejudice, then you're prejudice against people who you disagree with by that definition and therefore sinning, according to you. I can love someone of the same sex without having a lust for them. Again, these are not my own made up preferences, I get them from the Bible. So your issue isn't me, it's with the Bible, which is God's word. I also never casted insults or accusations, that's actually what you have been doing since you got here. You called me an idiot in another thread, and now you are falsely accusing me of being prejudice because I don't agree with a specific lifestyle. I never said they are incapable of making a good choice, but I did say I think they are confused and that is all I said. If you can't have a discussion without committing ad hominem then there's no point in having a discussion So I did say both. I am not retracting no. My statement still holds and i stand by it. You think them incapable of good choices that follow nature. We got people starving in the world. We got even more people that are tiered of having to pay more taxes to help house and feed our own poor in our own nation. You worry they will not make more to feed? Not a bright thought you have there for a bright man sir. You think these people are mentally ill and just lustful for sex and pleasure and that they are not capable of love! That is prejudice and I am very good at spotting it. You need to work on it. You cant help how you feel or think of it. But you can help how you hide it and try to not let it seep out and plague those who do not share your prejudice. The thought of man on man sickens me. I do not want to see it. However I do not like to see many things. I do not hate them for it or think them under me. I do like to see girl on girl. So to judge them harshly for man on man would in fact be hypocritical so I don't allow myself. But you Sir you think you are over them and better then them and think they are a disorder of nature.
Yeah they are not driven by just sex they have a genuine desire to find love and a life partner. What do you think Gay marriage is all about and them fighting for health benefits for their life partner too in there place of work. Again you made it clear of your prejudice. You cant see it your blind to it. Have you ever admitted you were wrong? I see you way wrong way more than i ever see you right. Like to see you wise up instead of wise assing!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Nov 29, 2018 6:56:26 GMT
sigh I constantly get people telling me what I think and what I believe on this forum. It's starting to get old. How about if you want to know what I think and what I believe, ask me and I will tell you. If you take what I say and throw it aside because you have your own presuppositions that you think overrule anything I say about what I think and what I believe, then don't bother to even talk to me.
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Post by prophettom on Nov 29, 2018 19:45:23 GMT
I constantly get people telling me what I think and what I believe on this forum. It's starting to get old. How about if you want to know what I think and what I believe, ask me and I will tell you. If you take what I say and throw it aside because you have your own presuppositions that you think overrule anything I say about what I think and what I believe, then don't bother to even talk to me. You know I was doing a little reading I saw your name come up with a few problems. You know what I speak of. I know you by your works sir. The hardest thing to do for man is look in the mirror deep in your own eyes and reveal your true self to yourself. I will do as I please. I will give the things like you say for what they are and what that's says about you when I see a problem.
Everyone says they like the truth. But few are those who see the truth of themselves when it comes to the kind of prejudices you harbor. You see yourself one way. Your works point to something you do not want to see about yourself. From day one you have been confrontational with me. I fight devils I will not shy away from setting you straight about what you need to work on either.
I walk with the Gods good and evil. You may hide from yourself as long as you want. But you have to make that change. One day God will tell you himself! I did not get chosen by being blind to myself!
Based on your statement i have to say I am not alone in seeing this in you! and i bet on more than one subject. That should tell you something about what you need to do with your mirror and lose the magic glasses. they are blinding you!
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