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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 13, 2018 20:58:28 GMT
I've been always wanted to be a peacemaker (not the gun; I understand a peacemaker as a human whose intentions are directly to make peace between struggling sides of a conflict, or to calm involved into the conflict sides down). They say being too altruistic is stupid and worthless; all altruists achieve nothing, they just loose.
So, why is it so hard to be a peacemaker? Why people hates peacemakers? I really can't get a society hating the peacemakers.
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Dec 12, 2018 16:06:57 GMT
War is eternal and immortal. Peace is a temporary phase of existence. o yeah? what about someone's death? if the 1 dies, he dies for eternity. and the last one eternity is peaceful eternity. Those who die in battle go to Avalon. If it is the will of higher powers, the person is reincarnated and lives in this world again, in another form, and so the cycle continues.
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Post by kyloscythe91 on Dec 12, 2018 16:46:06 GMT
War is eternal and immortal. Peace is a temporary phase of existence. Is not war a hunger? If beings become advanced and war as a hunger is finally satiated, it will end, no?
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Post by fistoflife on Dec 25, 2018 11:57:09 GMT
I recommend reading George Orwell's 1984 WAR IS PEACE - FREEDOM IS SLAVERY - IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Essentially one cannot exist without the other, a tree would not stand tall if it didn't have roots.
This being said the peace maker is also just as crucial to the contribution of war. You said why peoples hate the peace maker? Well I ask you why does it matter? If this is the role you desire to be then follow it but also accept that part of that role is being hated by some. Perhaps you already accept this.
How is it you define peace? How do you achieve this? I am also interested in what you currently do as the role of peace maker.
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Jan 16, 2019 15:46:59 GMT
War is eternal and immortal. Peace is a temporary phase of existence. Is not war a hunger? If beings become advanced and war as a hunger is finally satiated, it will end, no? War is fought on so many levels. One may end, but another is still raging.
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Post by AppLeo on Jan 21, 2019 17:37:11 GMT
I've been always wanted to be a peacemaker (not the gun; I understand a peacemaker as a human whose intentions are directly to make peace between struggling sides of a conflict, or to calm involved into the conflict sides down). They say being too altruistic is stupid and worthless; all altruists achieve nothing, they just loose. So, why is it so hard to be a peacemaker? Why people hates peacemakers? I really can't get a society hating the peacemakers. The purpose of one's life should be their life. If being a peacemaker makes you happy then be a peacemaker.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2019 18:30:46 GMT
I've been always wanted to be a peacemaker (not the gun; I understand a peacemaker as a human whose intentions are directly to make peace between struggling sides of a conflict, or to calm involved into the conflict sides down). They say being too altruistic is stupid and worthless; all altruists achieve nothing, they just loose. So, why is it so hard to be a peacemaker? Why people hates peacemakers? I really can't get a society hating the peacemakers. The purpose of one's life should be their life. If being a peacemaker makes you happy then be a peacemaker. Yes, indeed. Also, do you think this purpose can rise above others? Meaning that one only cares for their life and not the life's of others.
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Post by AppLeo on Jan 21, 2019 19:46:22 GMT
The purpose of one's life should be their life. If being a peacemaker makes you happy then be a peacemaker. Yes, indeed. Also, do you think this purpose can rise above others? Meaning that one only cares for their life and not the life's of others. The purpose of one's life is their life. Caring for others is acceptable if the people you care for are in alignment with the purpose of your life. If these people make you happy and increase the quality of your life. Examples of these people would be your spouse, friends, and family. Caring for someone that you take no personal interest in – in other words, caring for someone that doesn't increase the quality of your life is unacceptable. An example of this would be caring for starving people in Africa or taking care of a parent out of duty rather than love. To care for people that you take no selfish interest in would mean accepting that the purpose of your life isn't to live your life, but to sacrifice yourself for the people's lives. That your life is only justified because people need to use you for their own purpose. This is immoral.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 21, 2019 21:36:12 GMT
Yes, indeed. Also, do you think this purpose can rise above others? Meaning that one only cares for their life and not the life's of others. The purpose of one's life is their life. Caring for others is acceptable if the people you care for are in alignment with the purpose of your life. If these people make you happy and increase the quality of your life. Examples of these people would be your spouse, friends, and family. Caring for someone that you take no personal interest in – in other words, caring for someone that doesn't increase the quality of your life is unacceptable. An example of this would be caring for starving people in Africa or taking care of a parent out of duty rather than love. To care for people that you take no selfish interest in would mean accepting that the purpose of your life isn't to live your life, but to sacrifice yourself for the people's lives. That your life is only justified because people need to use you for their own purpose. This is immoral. So for example, you're living in an apartment and in the middle of the night you woke because you felt too warm. Then you realize the apartment complex is on fire. You hurried out of bed to get out for safety. As you ran outside you noticed a neighbor trying to get out but got stuck and he's panicking. You can easily save him and yourself. Do you do it? He's a complete stranger to you though. Is it immortal to help?
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Post by AppLeo on Jan 22, 2019 1:27:58 GMT
The purpose of one's life is their life. Caring for others is acceptable if the people you care for are in alignment with the purpose of your life. If these people make you happy and increase the quality of your life. Examples of these people would be your spouse, friends, and family. Caring for someone that you take no personal interest in – in other words, caring for someone that doesn't increase the quality of your life is unacceptable. An example of this would be caring for starving people in Africa or taking care of a parent out of duty rather than love. To care for people that you take no selfish interest in would mean accepting that the purpose of your life isn't to live your life, but to sacrifice yourself for the people's lives. That your life is only justified because people need to use you for their own purpose. This is immoral. So for example, you're living in an apartment and in the middle of the night you woke because you felt too warm. Then you realize the apartment complex is on fire. You hurried out of bed to get out for safety. As you ran outside you noticed a neighbor trying to get out but got stuck and he's panicking. You can easily save him and yourself. Do you do it? He's a complete stranger to you though. Is it immortal to help? If it doesn't put your life in danger, then yes do it. But if it does put your life in danger then that is immoral. And to spend your life saving people, even if it doesn't put you in danger, is also immoral.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 22, 2019 1:30:50 GMT
So for example, you're living in an apartment and in the middle of the night you woke because you felt too warm. Then you realize the apartment complex is on fire. You hurried out of bed to get out for safety. As you ran outside you noticed a neighbor trying to get out but got stuck and he's panicking. You can easily save him and yourself. Do you do it? He's a complete stranger to you though. Is it immortal to help? If it doesn't put your life in danger, then yes do it. But if it does put your life in danger then that is immoral. And to spend your life saving people, even if it doesn't put you in danger, is also immoral. Immoral according to what standard?
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Post by AppLeo on Jan 22, 2019 2:04:07 GMT
If it doesn't put your life in danger, then yes do it. But if it does put your life in danger then that is immoral. And to spend your life saving people, even if it doesn't put you in danger, is also immoral. Immoral according to what standard? That your life and happiness is your standard of value.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 22, 2019 3:37:24 GMT
Immoral according to what standard? That your life and happiness is your standard of value. What if helping others makes one happy?
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Post by AppLeo on Jan 22, 2019 5:10:56 GMT
That your life and happiness is your standard of value. What if helping others makes one happy? Then fine.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 25, 2019 16:52:24 GMT
I've been always wanted to be a peacemaker (not the gun; I understand a peacemaker as a human whose intentions are directly to make peace between struggling sides of a conflict, or to calm involved into the conflict sides down). They say being too altruistic is stupid and worthless; all altruists achieve nothing, they just loose. So, why is it so hard to be a peacemaker? Why people hates peacemakers? I really can't get a society hating the peacemakers. The purpose of one's life should be their life. If being a peacemaker makes you happy then be a peacemaker. I would. Some says that I am nothing, but an interferer into their lives. They want to war, I barrier them against it. ...I don't know. So, that's why this stuff is so complicated for me. On the one hand, it's true that your said about the each purposes about each lives, and at the same time what is my life without do anything to ones like me - the same people. A feeling of empathy is maybe the keyword to this, or some kind of my own psychological position toward this, or whatever. This problem is appeared to be so shared that even typing this answer to you I feel myself not so comfortable. - Indeed, is it just an answer, or it is my inconvenience (bothering, or kinda interfering) of you? ...Perfect decision to this obstacle is keeping silence without saying a word, or make a move. As long as I live and dealing with people I've been doing them something. And here's another problem - have I done something unpeaceful while having spoken to people?
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