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Oct 26, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
Just imagine I open a thread "A proof there's no God". ME: There's no God. DKTRAV: What's your proof? ME: I try to ignore stupid questions. Victory and glory!
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Nov 5, 2018 8:58:48 GMT
Post by ĪĪ¹Ī±Ī¼ĪæĪ½Ī“ on Nov 5, 2018 8:58:48 GMT
DKTrav88 I see that you are very worried about what I wrote. I understand that you have a claim that I don't pay attention to the facts about other Churches?Well, I can create topics of discussion about other Churches. Trust me. I just found out about Philadelphia and published this. Do you believe God's Promises? Of course the Bible says that. Then you have to believe the facts that I have written because other facts about the history of the Church of Philadelphia you will not find anywhere else!If you had the facts then I would have believed you right away..but you write only your beliefs without reference to life! I can continue a lot. Just to be brief and clear: Is your position that the churches in Asia retreated because Paul wrote like that? But - Question for reflection: who was this message intended for first read?For Timothy and his community! But Timothy was the first Bishop of Ephesus! (2 Timothy 1:18) The Apostle John spent many years afterwards in prison on the island of Patmos. He was the last of the apostles. He wrote his message for 7 churches in Asia. among them was the Church in Ephesus! 1. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticksā¦ 2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liarsā¦ (Revelation 2:1-2) The Lord praises this Church for its work. He also mentioned unfit apostles from this Church. It is absolutely clear that we are talking about those who left the Church. From this text it is absolutely clear that the bad apostles were in this Church before. Not in future! This absolutely confirms that the incident that Paul wrote for Bishop Timothy of Ephesus occurred before this message was written(Revelation)! (I do not deny criticism) Second Epistle to Timothy is written in Rome (1:17), on the eve of the execution of the Apostle, probably about 67 years?? The Apostle foresees his near death (4: 6) and takes the last opportunity to instruct Timothy and the other disciples. Paul and a group of Christians were in Rome. Paul was arrested and all the Asian people(from this christians) turned away from him. In the 4th chapter of this epistle, Paul mentions that he sent some Christians to preach. Including Ephesus in Asia Minor. If all the churches from this region turned away, then why Paul did it? There is another way of creating the church itself again? Your logic about confessions is typical Protestant I hope you will know the truth sooner.Not later! I already said goodbye to you! I just don't like people misrepresenting what I believe happens a lot on this forum Very informative. All this and so know! I just shared some information for thinking about the fate of the Philadelphia church. Some Orthodox may have their own opinion on some facts in this thread. Because what is important for the Orthodox first of all is spiritual life. Repentance and so on. For Protestants, speculation on the meaning of biblical words because they did not get experience! As a result, every Protestant sees the Scriptures based on his experience. Your views are just your experience.(Personal tradition) Everybody knows it. If you wanted to defend your views, you would write to me in a special topic where I wrote based only on Biblical facts. arktos.boards.net/thread/3438/protestant-friends
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Post by ĪĪ¹Ī±Ī¼ĪæĪ½Ī“ on Nov 5, 2018 9:08:04 GMT
About this there is already information. I just posted information for reflection about the Philadelphia Church. Have links to it! As a result, that's what happened this situation. I don't think someone will use it. The Orthodoxy followers are hated here. It doesn't surprise me, because every churches in the world are against the Orthodoxy. It seems that Christ's words of the last Church is accepting the truth. This is not a surprise for me!
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Nov 5, 2018 11:25:21 GMT
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 5, 2018 11:25:21 GMT
I don't think someone will use it. The Orthodoxy followers are hated here. It doesn't surprise me, because every churches in the world are against the Orthodoxy. It seems that Christ's words of the last Church is accepting the truth. Ukraine doesn't like orthodoxy? They like try to rule there I think. But I don't know Under "here" I meant "this forum". But, I'm not sure, I don't want to discuss it here, because it might cause another ...stake or war, so I'd like to think that here (i.e. in this forum) any people are welcomed. The religion is like a taste - it can't be argued, because all such discussions are discussions of colours, shades, images, etc. That's why I hold to the view, that if a believer wants to share his views, he doesn't need to argue, but instead - he needs to help someone. Only sharing good deeds would be possible to prove of your faith. Just remember all those heroes who died protecting the other ones? They laid their lives to risk, because they didn't want to argue, but they wanted to do something good. So, all those heroes are saints for me; their actions spoke louder than any words.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2018 14:31:21 GMT
Ukraine doesn't like orthodoxy? They like try to rule there I think. But I don't know Under "here" I meant "this forum". But, I'm not sure, I don't want to discuss it here, because it might cause another ...stake or war, so I'd like to think that here (i.e. in this forum) any people are welcomed. The religion is like a taste - it can't be argued, because all such discussions are discussions of colours, shades, images, etc. That's why I hold to the view, that if a believer wants to share his views, he doesn't need to argue, but instead - he needs to help someone. Only sharing good deeds would be possible to prove of your faith. Just remember all those heroes who died protecting the other ones? They laid their lives to risk, because they didn't want to argue, but they wanted to do something good. So, all those heroes are saints for me; their actions spoke louder than any words. No one is hated here! Everyone can just keep the beliefs they like here. This forum doesn't force you to believe in anything. We're diverse here for a reason
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Post by ĪĪ¹Ī±Ī¼ĪæĪ½Ī“ on Nov 7, 2018 10:00:29 GMT
I just wrote some information for people to think about. Studies'. This should be important for people with any views in the context of fulfilling Biblical prophecies!
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Nov 18, 2018 15:40:18 GMT
Post by dave on Nov 18, 2018 15:40:18 GMT
Solid Proof Of Godās Existence, By Dave Turner
It has been said many times there is no actual proof God is real. This leads to the presumption people must accept and believe God is real by faith alone, with faith defined as believing in a person, object, or entity which is unseen or cannot be proven. However, this concept is not true. Proof is available, revealing the reality of Godās existence in a sound, solid, and absolute way; this proof lies in presence of the nation of Israel in the world today.
The first six books of the Bible are required to contain all the super amazing things God did long ago to create the nation of Israel and help them conquer and take possession of the land they still exist in today. The Bible records the incredible account of all the supernatural ways God worked over a period of several hundred years including performing many breathtaking miracles to bring this nation into existence. The existence of the nation of Israel in the world today is living proof that everything written in the Bible, which began about four thousand years ago, that God did to create this nation all really happened which proves the reality of God.
This great account begins in the twelfth chapter of Genesis when God spoke to a man named Abraham and made some incredible promises to him. God promised Abraham He would make a great nation from his descendants and He also promised to give a specific parcel of land to him and his descendants as an āeverlasting possession.ā God further promised Abraham his descendants would be His chosen people, and He would be their God forever.
Later, God returned, speaking this time to Abrahamās grandson, a man named Jacob. God confirmed to Jacob He would fulfill the great promises made earlier to Abraham. Then God did something truly amazing by changing Jacobās name. The account is recorded in Genesis 35:10, āAnd God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; no longer shall your name be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name. So, he called his name Israel.ā
This verse exposes the reality of God in a powerful way as it brings to light the fact that the nation of Israelās existence in the world today is the fulfillment of the great promise God made to Abraham. God promised Abraham He would make a nation from his descendants, and this verse discloses the nation of Israel originates from Abrahamās grandson, getting its name - Israel- from the new name God gave to Jacob! The Bible continues to affirm this great truth as it tells the amazing true story how God used His mighty supernatural powers to create the nation of Israel from the family of the man He named Israel, Abrahamās grandson!
God orchestrated a series of events by His supernatural powers, opening doors for the family of Israel to move into the land of Egypt, which was a very important part of Godās great plan to create the nation of Israel. There, the family remained for four hundred years as God supernaturally multiplied them from seventy people to a great nation of perhaps three million people. Their sheer numbers were so intimidating to the Egyptians the rulers of the land forced them into cruel slavery. The Children of Israel were so severely afflicted they began to cry out to the God of their fathers for rescue. The Almighty God, who had made the great promises to them, heard their cries and sent a great leader He had prepared - Moses - to deliver His people out of slavery and from the land of Egypt into the land He promised to Abraham so many years before.
During this time God performed some of the greatest miracles recorded in the Bible, sending great plagues against the land of Egypt to prove He was Almighty God and to ultimately set His people free. Moses led Godās people out of Egypt and through the desert. Eventually, they arrived in their āpromised land,ā the land God had promised hundreds of years before to Abraham and his descendants as an āeverlasting possession.ā It is the very same land the nation of Israel occupies and possesses today.
After they arrived, Moses recorded in the book of Numbers 34:1, the geographic boundaries of the land the nation of Israel occupied long ago. It is the same land the nation of Israel occupies today. The land was inhabited by others when they arrived, but Joshua, with Godās guidance, led the nation of Israel into their promised land. God fought by their side, with His hand against their enemies, so they were able to quickly take possession of their promised land, the land they possess this very day.
The Bible proves the land God gave to Abraham is the land the nation of Israel exists in today in yet another way, as it discloses the truth of God leading Abraham into this same land when Abraham first arrived at a place called Shechem. Soon he moved on to Bethel and then later he came to Hebron. All of these places survive in the land of Israel today including Hebron, the place where Abraham and his wife are buried.
The existence of the nation of Israel today certainty proves all the amazing miracles recorded in the Bible God performed to create this nation all really happened, which proves the reality of God! The nation of Israel is living proof God fulfilled the great promises He made to Abraham and his descendants. He is still fulfilling the promises He made to Abraham today regarding his descendants who are living and dwelling in the very same land He promised Abraham as an āeverlasting possessionā thousands of years ago!
If you would like to read and learn more click the link below. There you, too, can discover the reality of God through the existence of the nation of Israel. This discovery led me to make an even bigger discovery which changed my life forever ā a change greater than anything I could have ever dreamed or imagined possible!
<DaveTurnerMinistries.com>
Join me here and then share this amazing knowledge with your friends and family and people you know. You could help someone in unexpected ways! Feel free to share via email as well.
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Mar 28, 2019 23:42:00 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 28, 2019 23:42:00 GMT
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18 A good God somehow produced Satan, which some think of as evil.
It seems a good tree can produce a corrupt fruit.
Regards DL
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Mar 28, 2019 23:46:01 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 28, 2019 23:46:01 GMT
Don't react violently against the one who is evil. When someone slaps you on the right cheek turn the other as well. When someone wants to sue you for your shirt, let that person have your coat along with it. Further when anyone conscripts you for one mile, go an extra mile. [Mathew 5/39-41 and Luke 6/29] Do you not know that in the Jewish tradition, turning the other cheek is meant as an insult to the hitter?
You seem to want to reward evil, while the Jews did not think it good to reward evil. Doing so goes against the reciprocity law.
Why would you want to throw the Golden Rule back into Jesus' face?
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 29, 2019 5:09:25 GMT
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18 A good God somehow produced Satan, which some think of as evil.
It seems a good tree can produce a corrupt fruit.
Regards DL
God did not produce Satan, Satan was an angel that had free will and he chose to be evil. Before he was Satan he was Lucifer, he was God's highest ranking angel and was not evil.
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Mar 29, 2019 13:46:06 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 13:46:06 GMT
A good God somehow produced Satan, which some think of as evil.
It seems a good tree can produce a corrupt fruit.
Regards DL
God did not produce Satan, Satan was an angel that had free will and he chose to be evil. Before he was Satan he was Lucifer, he was God's highest ranking angel and was not evil. As if god did not know what he was creating when he created Satan.
Do you have such little faith in god's plan that you think something would surprise god or have something happen that was not planned?
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 29, 2019 14:17:21 GMT
God did not produce Satan, Satan was an angel that had free will and he chose to be evil. Before he was Satan he was Lucifer, he was God's highest ranking angel and was not evil. As if god did not know what he was creating when he created Satan.
Do you have such little faith in god's plan that you think something would surprise god or have something happen that was not planned?
Regards DL Again, God did not create Satan, He created Lucifer who was good. Everything God created was good. Lucifer fell on his own accord and became Satan. God did not create who Lucifer became, God did not create Satan. God knew Satan would turn evil, just as God knew man would fall because of sin and Cain would kill Abel, etc., but God did not create them to sin or to be evil. By their own free will they did and became evil.
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Mar 29, 2019 16:22:49 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 16:22:49 GMT
As if god did not know what he was creating when he created Satan.
Do you have such little faith in god's plan that you think something would surprise god or have something happen that was not planned?
Regards DL Again, God did not create Satan, He created Lucifer who was good. Everything God created was good. Lucifer fell on his own accord and became Satan. God did not create who Lucifer became, God did not create Satan. God knew Satan would turn evil, just as God knew man would fall because of sin and Cain would kill Abel, etc., but God did not create them to sin or to be evil. By their own free will they did and became evil.
So God knowingly created a moral monster.
Thanks for ignoring that fact and deflecting to a free will that A & E could not possibly have because they did not know if they would be choosing good or evil as they had yet to know what good and evil were as they had not eaten from that tree.
Put your brain in gear or best to ignore me. You are way too low on the pay scale for me to bother with unless you can do better apologetics and not the age worn garbage you spew.
Regards DL
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Mar 29, 2019 16:25:30 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 16:25:30 GMT
I have many, but one is in my signature. Another one If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Corinthians 16:22 Should love for another be based on the recipient being a moral person?
Do you see Jesus and his no divorce and substitutional atonement/scapegoating policies as moral?
Regards DL
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Mar 29, 2019 16:27:42 GMT
Post by greatestiam on Mar 29, 2019 16:27:42 GMT
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. Deuteronomy 4:29 Seeking God is good and that is why Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers.
You cannot be seeking god when you already idol worship Yahweh.
Regards DL
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 29, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
Again, God did not create Satan, He created Lucifer who was good. Everything God created was good. Lucifer fell on his own accord and became Satan. God did not create who Lucifer became, God did not create Satan. God knew Satan would turn evil, just as God knew man would fall because of sin and Cain would kill Abel, etc., but God did not create them to sin or to be evil. By their own free will they did and became evil.
So God knowingly created a moral monster.
Thanks for ignoring that fact and deflecting to a free will that A & E could not possibly have because they did not know if they would be choosing good or evil as they had yet to know what good and evil were as they had not eaten from that tree.
Put your brain in gear or best to ignore me. You are way too low on the pay scale for me to bother with unless you can do better apologetics and not the age worn garbage you spew.
Regards DL No, he created Lucifer who was good and chose to be good, but later Lucifer chose to be evil and became Satan. God gave us free will because a God that does not give free will is not a God of love. Forcing someone to do something is not love, letting someone choose to love through their own free will is love in and of itself. It isnāt a deflection, Lucifer had free will and chose to be evil. God did not create Lucifer to be evil. Adam and especially Eve knew what they were choosing. Perhaps it has slipped your mind or you just havenāt read Genesis 3, but it says Satan told Eve āYe shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.ā, so Eve knew that she would know good and evil if she made the choice it eat the fruit. All that existed in the world before they ate of the tree was good and that is all they knew. If free will didnāt exist then God wouldnāt have put the tree in the garden in the first place, there would be no need of it. If you use the argument that God forced them to eat of the tree then that is a different god and not the god I worship. So you would be attacking a straw man yet again. I think itās funny that you think you are going to convince me that I am worshiping a god that is a god you made up through your own understanding. I donāt worship the god you made up. My God has given everyone free will, my God is a God of love. My God doesnāt need for force people to love Him, as He loves us all so much that He gave us free will so that we could choose to love Him; forcing someone to love you is not true love.
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