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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 29, 2018 19:32:19 GMT
Is it just me or McDonald's is the most popular fast food restaurant for shootings? Luckily, I don't eat at McDonalds. But I'm glad the kids are ok even though one of them was shot. I hope no one else was hurt and no other deaths occured. I'm not too happy the gunman was killed because rather have him stopped enough for him to get help. Dad probably had the intention of killing him out of anger since his kid was struck by him (motive) so that's premeditated murder to me by the dad. Unless he was killed by accident. I don't know Shrug Thoughts? www.cbsnews.com/news/birmingham-mcdonalds-shooting-father-shoots-and-kills-masked-gunman-who-opened-fire-at-alabama-restaurant/
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 29, 2018 20:00:16 GMT
Luckily, I don't eat at McDonalds. You like Burger king more?
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 29, 2018 20:07:29 GMT
Luckily, I don't eat at McDonalds. You like Burger king more? Burger KING, yes. A queen eats at royal places xD
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Post by PISTON1246 on Oct 30, 2018 19:52:33 GMT
You think that self-defense and defense of the family is murder?
Should people allow their loved ones to be killed intentionally for no good reason (which I consider murder)?
Murder is a TYPE of killing. Not all killings are murders. I think you are misusing the word "murder".
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Post by EvilSpiriT on Nov 1, 2018 17:26:45 GMT
You think that self-defense and defense of the family is murder? Should people allow their loved ones to be killed intentionally for no good reason (which I consider murder)? Murder is a TYPE of killing. Not all killings are murders. I think you are misusing the word "murder". Exactly.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 2, 2018 4:32:44 GMT
You think that self-defense and defense of the family is murder? Should people allow their loved ones to be killed intentionally for no good reason (which I consider murder)? Murder is a TYPE of killing. Not all killings are murders. I think you are misusing the word "murder". No one said anything about allowing someone to kill/murder someone. But when a person has a thought to kill someone or themselves then it's a mental issue and they need help. That's all. They are either angry and don't know how to properly deal or they're in some other situation where they don't know how to escape. They need help before they start hurting themselves or others.
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Post by EvilSpiriT on Nov 2, 2018 4:38:10 GMT
to sum it up, it's a DO or DIE situation. If you do not defend yourself, you'll be shot dead by someone else.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Nov 5, 2018 23:56:40 GMT
You think that self-defense and defense of the family is murder? Should people allow their loved ones to be killed intentionally for no good reason (which I consider murder)? Murder is a TYPE of killing. Not all killings are murders. I think you are misusing the word "murder". No one said anything about allowing someone to kill/murder someone. But when a person has a thought to kill someone or themselves then it's a mental issue and they need help. That's all. They are either angry and don't know how to properly deal or they're in some other situation where they don't know how to escape. They need help before they start hurting themselves or others. Do you think the dad has a mental problem for thinking of killing the man who started shooting at his children?
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Post by Bullmance on Nov 6, 2018 1:53:19 GMT
I don't think the Dad had a thought of killing someone. The man came in guns blazing firing indiscriminately. In seconds hot lead is flying through the air taking lives of innocent people and the father had a means to stop the chaos. He acted swiftly saving lives of not only his children but the workers and customers. He is a hero, he didn't cower or grab his kids and run. He stopped a mad man from hurting others.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 6, 2018 2:41:27 GMT
No one said anything about allowing someone to kill/murder someone. But when a person has a thought to kill someone or themselves then it's a mental issue and they need help. That's all. They are either angry and don't know how to properly deal or they're in some other situation where they don't know how to escape. They need help before they start hurting themselves or others. Do you think the dad has a mental problem for thinking of killing the man who started shooting at his children? Is premeditated murder a mental issue? Most certainly!
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 6, 2018 2:57:43 GMT
I don't think the Dad had a thought of killing someone. The man came in guns blazing firing indiscriminately. In seconds hot lead is flying through the air taking lives of innocent people and the father had a means to stop the chaos. He acted swiftly saving lives of not only his children but the workers and customers. He is a hero, he didn't cower or grab his kids and run. He stopped a mad man from hurting others. Yeah I have no problem with stopping people from hurting others
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Post by Bullmance on Nov 6, 2018 3:03:48 GMT
Do you think the dad has a mental problem for thinking of killing the man who started shooting at his children? Is premeditated murder a mental issue? Most certainly! Are you saying that in the moments before he fired his weapon he had the thought "I'm going to kill this guy?" Or do you think he could of just shot him in the leg or something?
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 6, 2018 3:07:18 GMT
Is premeditated murder a mental issue? Most certainly! Are you saying that in the moments before he fired his weapon he had the thought "I'm going to kill this guy?" Or do you think he could of just shot him in the leg or something? Nope. I don't know what thoughts he had. Probably at least to stay alive and keep the kids alive. Shrug
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Post by PISTON1246 on Nov 6, 2018 20:35:18 GMT
Are you saying that in the moments before he fired his weapon he had the thought "I'm going to kill this guy?" Or do you think he could of just shot him in the leg or something? Nope. I don't know what thoughts he had. Probably at least to stay alive and keep the kids alive. I think he expected and intended for the attacker to die when he aimed his gun at him and shot him. Thoughts lead to actions. Especially deliberate ones. Defending innocent life by killing evil people who have both attempted and succeeded at murder is not murder to me. The Torah I have says that if you kill someone who has broken into your home at night time, then you are not guilty of bloodshed. If you kill the intruder in the day, then you are guilty. One of the interpretations given for that verse is that someone breaking in at nighttime before the sun has risen is likely intending to harm and kill the occupants. Someone I heard from says that an intruder in the day is likely only intending to steal. This leads me to believe that God permits you to kill in self-defense. The man who started killing people for no reason deserved to be killed. I think the dad did a good thing and other people benefitted from it.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 6, 2018 23:42:43 GMT
Nope. I don't know what thoughts he had. Probably at least to stay alive and keep the kids alive. I think he expected and intended for the attacker to die when he aimed his gun at him and shot him. Thoughts lead to actions. Especially deliberate ones. Defending innocent life by killing evil people who have both attempted and succeeded at murder is not murder to me. The Torah I have says that if you kill someone who has broken into your home at night time, then you are not guilty of bloodshed. If you kill the intruder in the day, then you are guilty. One of the interpretations given for that verse is that someone breaking in at nighttime before the sun has risen is likely intending to harm and kill the occupants. Someone I heard from says that an intruder in the day is likely only intending to steal. This leads me to believe that God permits you to kill in self-defense. The man who started killing people for no reason deserved to be killed. I think the dad did a good thing and other people benefitted from it. I'm up to stopping the person not killing them. If they die by accident while they're being stopped then so be it. Love your neighbor and don't kill commanments are still fulfilled that way. Shrug
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