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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 26, 2018 18:57:23 GMT
Is this the summary of it? Because I can think of some atheist who disagree on ghosts and maybe other things. So then I'm confused...
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Post by joustos on Jun 14, 2019 16:51:14 GMT
Is this the summary of it? Because I can think of some atheist who disagree on ghosts and maybe other things. So then I'm confused... This is a bad summary. The best way is to say that Atheism is the lack of Theism, and so it has been said that we humans are born atheists... as well as devoid of a language, or of any specific social status [Jefferson's "we are created equal"]. What needs to be defined is Theism. So, I go back to its beginnings. The sky rains; … gathers dark clouds and then thunders and unleashes a storm. Storms, floods, strong winds, fiery eruptions are powerful and can overwhelm humans. Any overwhelming power can be called a god [theo`s] or by some other name [el; etc.] Of course, all those who are affected by gods believe in gods. There are experienced. They are evident beyond the shadow of a doubt. That was the first stage of Theism: the encounter with gods. The second stage: The gods are imagined to be like humans, that is conscious and deliberative of their actions. For instance, a storm is not a chance event but an intentional act which is directed to a particular person or a tribe of people. This is the stage of myth-making: the personification of the gods. People who do not reach or do not follow this stage are atheists in the sense of not believing that there are personal gods. When myths are made, the ground for a religion is set up: to propitiate a god. At the same time, some parts of the world, such as the soil on which we walk, are found to provide water and food that we need. The Earth is a great benevolent or motherly power. (It is Magna Mater, Khthonie, Gaia, Demeter, the mother of grain plants, etc.) Occasionally Ghosts (luminous forms) emerge from the Earth, in whose caves She occasionally speaks, but the "oracles" require interpretation by special people (the Sibyls)…. And so goes the Theism of the ancient Greeks, which is the most developed one in history.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 14, 2019 16:51:57 GMT
So would/could you said that atheism is just another belief system? As in they have to have a kind of faith to believe that there is no God? I’m asking because I’ve heard atheists say, and it is defined as, that atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in a God or gods. I find it contradictory though, because they essentially “believe” there is no God or gods. And they have to “believe” because there is nothing proving or disproving the existence of God(this can be debated with different forms of evidence, but we don’t need to get into that if it isn’t necessary). No its simply a lack of belief, not a belief system unto itself. The same way highly religious people believe their god is the one true god and completely discount all other gods due to a ' lack of sufficient evidence ' We're all atheists, some of us just go one god further. Much like saying that there is a pink invisible unicorn living in your back-yard, you'd chuff and call BS due to the fact you a: can't see it b: can't touch it c: can't smell it d: have no determinate proof it exists except maybe in a book But if I said ' I don't need proof, I feel it in my heart ' you would call me crazy for having a strong belief in the unbelievable. This is how religion is to the rest of us. A. Well, "discounting all other the gods" it's a standard procedure argument against religious people. But this argument is not really strong. Let's see it more crystally. At the first sight, one doesn't need to deny existence of the rest of the gods except one's, because for an atheist using this trick it seems impossible to not claim an existence of all the gods at once. But how it would be possible for myriads of gods to exist at the time? Christianity doesn't maintain an existence of all the gods at one time, but it says that just only one God exists. (Surely, there are some varieties of the idea of existence of all the kinds demons as the other gods.) Actually, for Christians there is no such a problem to maintain an existence of the rest of gods, but they won't accept them as Gods, but rather as the gods. B. What about touching God in some way? Usually we use our common senses to feel something or to understand what is it by touching, smelling, tasting, or hearing it. So, this procedure is not bad in our daily life, and we do use it while living our lives. But, there are some deities which can't be understood of felt in the plain mode. I'm talking about syncoterematic objects, about forces, and, maybe, about some mystical things. (Yes, I know that the word 'mystical' even in an aspect of spelling it sounds mysterious and not trustful.) All those objects, except mysterious things, are able to be checked in our life, cause at least scientists use them in their research works. The mysterious way is certainly no the way of understanding my science. And anyway, any human is not so perfect to claim that he is sure in existence only what he watches. It is implied from 'alter-humanic a point of view' - the view that a human is not the ultimate truth-teller. Many people were wrong about their conclusions, and even physics did many metaphysical claims during its history. Why to be so rigorous to deny something unusual to science? - Yes, I must say that I knee before science methods, and I appreciate it in almost every sphere, and however, something mysterious still makes me feel something higher than science. C. Mysterious things happen during our daily life in those tiny forms like: to feel something to ya friend, to see a beauty of the world, or even to feel yourself very lonely and very sad still hoping for something good... And, you know, it happens sometimes when you've been trying to do almost everything to make her being more polite for ya, and you haven't lost all your hope, so you hope on some mysterious things - for her.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jun 14, 2019 16:55:20 GMT
All an atheist is, is a person who believes there is not enough evidence for the existence of God, therefore they don't think God exists. I've met atheists that believe and don't believe in evolution (Darwin's theory or otherwise), globe earth, global warming, many tragic events like 9/11 (as in, they think it is a conspiracy), aliens, supernatural phenomenon, etc. As long as they believe there is no sufficient proof for a creator, they are still an atheist. What conspiracies have you heard for 9/11? Ignorance Is Bliss for Our Decadent LeadersDon't believe in anything we hear; they are all plants by those who have the power to make us listen to them. The real cause was incompetence, as it is in every sector of Terminal America.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jun 14, 2019 17:14:23 GMT
Is this the summary of it? Because I can think of some atheist who disagree on ghosts and maybe other things. So then I'm confused... This is a bad summary. The best way is to say that Atheism is the lack of Theism, and so it has been said that we humans are born atheists... as well as devoid of a language, or of any specific social status [Jefferson's "we are created equal"]. What needs to be defined is Theism. So, I go back to its beginnings. The sky rains; … gathers dark clouds and then thunders and unleashes a storm. Storms, floods, strong winds, fiery eruptions are powerful and can overwhelm humans. Any overwhelming power can be called a god [theo`s] or by some other name [el; etc.] Of course, all those who are affected by gods believe in gods. There are experienced. They are evident beyond the shadow of a doubt. That was the first stage of Theism: the encounter with gods. The second stage: The gods are imagined to be like humans, that is conscious and deliberative of their actions. For instance, a storm is not a chance event but an intentional act which is directed to a particular person or a tribe of people. This is the stage of myth-making: the personification of the gods. People who do not reach or do not follow this stage are atheists in the sense of not believing that there are personal gods. When myths are made, the ground for a religion is set up: to propitiate a god. At the same time, some parts of the world, such as the soil on which we walk, are found to provide water and food that we need. The Earth is a great benevolent or motherly power. (It is Magna Mater, Khthonie, Gaia, Demeter, the mother of grain plants, etc.) Occasionally Ghosts (luminous forms) emerge from the Earth, in whose caves She occasionally speaks, but the "oracles" require interpretation by special people (the Sibyls)…. And so goes the Theism of the ancient Greeks, which is the most developed one in history.
Mindlessly Mesmerized, Munching Popcorn
Theos is related to theater, and means a "vision." A more relevant comparison would be passively experiencing a false participation under mind-control.
Big Brother is watching you watch him on TV ("tell a vision).
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Post by frumiousb on Jun 16, 2019 11:35:20 GMT
All an atheist is, is a person who believes there is not enough evidence for the existence of God, therefore they don't think God exists. I've met atheists that believe and don't believe in evolution (Darwin's theory or otherwise), globe earth, global warming, many tragic events like 9/11 (as in, they think it is a conspiracy), aliens, supernatural phenomenon, etc. As long as they believe there is no sufficient proof for a creator, they are still an atheist. What conspiracies have you heard for 9/11? A group of terrorists conspired to fly planes into significant US buildings. All bar one succeeded. The mundanity of this seemingly random and unpredictable external horror is hard for some to accept, so a raft of alternative internal conspiracies by more familiar and identifiable actors have been developed. One suspects that if an asteroid struck Earth, some people would find a way to blame NASA or the FBI...
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 16, 2019 18:21:57 GMT
What conspiracies have you heard for 9/11? A group of terrorists conspired to fly planes into significant US buildings. All bar one succeeded. The mundanity of this seemingly random and unpredictable external horror is hard for some to accept, so a raft of alternative internal conspiracies by more familiar and identifiable actors have been developed. One suspects that if an asteroid struck Earth, some people would find a way to blame NASA or the FBI... But it can't be an asteroid. We have videous and pictures and many witnesses. It's clear 2 planes struck it. The only thing not making sense is the suicide terrorists who the US named. They should be dead but the names they gave us are all of people who are living. Those men are just saying the US is trying to set them up for what they didn't do. I believe the US had stuff to do with it. They obviously lied about who flew the planes so what are they covering up?
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Post by frumiousb on Jun 17, 2019 18:05:34 GMT
A group of terrorists conspired to fly planes into significant US buildings. All bar one succeeded. The mundanity of this seemingly random and unpredictable external horror is hard for some to accept, so a raft of alternative internal conspiracies by more familiar and identifiable actors have been developed. One suspects that if an asteroid struck Earth, some people would find a way to blame NASA or the FBI... But it can't be an asteroid. We have videous and pictures and many witnesses. It's clear 2 planes struck it. I wasn't suggesting that an asteroid hit the twin towers - it was a hypothetical concerning conspiracy theorists in general. I don't have the time or inclination to keep up with all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, so I'll leave it to the 'specialists'
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