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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 11:47:31 GMT
TIGHT SLAP FOR INDIAN NATIONALIS, KEEP ON DENYING, but Once, these STEPPE people did come to your lands, and they were BRUTAL PEOPLE
The current distribution of the M17 haplotype is likely to represent traces of an ancient population migration originating in southern Russia/Ukraine, where M17 is found at high frequency (>50%). It is possible that the domestication of the horse in this region around 3,000 B.C. may have driven the migration (27). The distribution and age of M17 in Europe (17) and Central/Southern Asia is consistent with the inferred movements of these people, who left a clear pattern of archaeological remains known as the Kurgan culture, and are thought to have spoken an early Indo-European language (27, 28, 29). The decrease in frequency eastward across Siberia to the Altai-Sayan mountains (represented by the Tuvinian population) and Mongolia, and southward into India, overlaps exactly with the inferred migrations of the Indo-Iranians during the period 3,000 to 1,000 B.C. (27). It is worth noting that the Indo-European-speaking Sourashtrans, a population from Tamil Nadu in southern India, have a much higher frequency of M17 than their Dravidian-speaking neighbors, the Yadhavas and Kallars (39% vs. 13% and 4%, respectively), adding to the evidence that M17 is a diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker. The exceptionally high frequencies of this marker in the Kyrgyz, Tajik/Khojant, and Ishkashim populations are likely to be due to drift, as these populations are less diverse, and are characterized by relatively small numbers of individuals living in isolated mountain valleys.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 2, 2018 14:56:15 GMT
in india, now these phenotypes are becoming rare and rare, once upon a time, such faces were present here. leftist in india promoted lot of race mixing, so many of the old caste brahmans also married lot of indo brachid, mountain indid etc. Then, the real brahmans lost the features of their ancestors, and these race mixed brahmins became mental slaves of neo hindus. which means, the old steppe people got extinct itself. Putin?
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Post by ajay0 on Nov 2, 2018 14:58:12 GMT
It's hard to understand why these western scholars keep on using Aryan to term race, when it's context in the dharmic religions and scriptures is a definition of character and conduct. Arya is a religious cult that originated in India, and many people from all over the world immigrated to India and were incorporated to the Aryan cult. There it stands. The discovery of the Saraswati riverbed by sattelite imagery and other discoveries have also blunted the aryan invasion and immigration theories because the saraswati river has been clearly mentioned in the ancient Rig Veda. Considering the nauseating bloodshed of millions shed in europe due to nonsensical pseudo-scholarly ideologies and the rigid laws against depiction of the swastika and pseudoaryan ideologies in europe, I would have expected european scholars to stop using the terms Aryan and so on, and to use Indo-european and other euphemistic terms instead.
wrong, the excavations actually have been proven and aryan is a designation of mitanni people.
The Indian government have also brought about research papers of genetics and other archaeological discoveries underming and disproving the foreign theories of aryan invasion or immigration, and they talk with conviction as well.
The discovery of the Saraswati river bed by sattelite imagery anyway shows clearly that the Vedic system in India started earlier than a mere 1500 b.c. , and have extended it by over two milleniums more.
So all the earlier theories, have now been proven to be just that, theories, which are now redundant due to more facts available. And more facts are coming in the future as well.
People from all over the world has immigrated to India and has been accepted into the Aryan religion and culture. This is why the Avatars Rama and Krishna in the ancient epics Ramayana and Mahabharatha is described as having a dark complexion, while Lakshmana and Balarama is said to have fair ones.
Ultimately, the reason why India has succeeded in surviving as an ancient civilization while all others have collapsed is due to her focus on spirituality and spiritual value systems. The roman and short-lived nazi german reich's collapsed especially due to this lack of value systems and character.
The Arya mentioned in the Dharmic religions stands for one with ideal character, conduct and value systems. Hence the Arya is actually an expression of this spirituality and values that the Dharmic religions and philosophies of India stands for.
This is actually a lesson for the whole world to heed and profit from, rather than walking foolishly upon the paths of other collapsed civilizations seeking power and wealth at all costs, and which are now remembered in museums and history books.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 16:10:11 GMT
in india, now these phenotypes are becoming rare and rare, once upon a time, such faces were present here. leftist in india promoted lot of race mixing, so many of the old caste brahmans also married lot of indo brachid, mountain indid etc. Then, the real brahmans lost the features of their ancestors, and these race mixed brahmins became mental slaves of neo hindus. which means, the old steppe people got extinct itself. Putin? Bengali sarath Chandra chattoupdhyay
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 2, 2018 20:46:24 GMT
Putin? Bengali sarath Chandra chattoupdhyay He just looks like him. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 4:29:51 GMT
Bengali sarath Chandra chattoupdhyay He just looks like him.
bengali novelist, during british raj
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 4:31:03 GMT
steppe people were dark haired, dark eyed and had a skin color which was moderately light.
Compared with the South Asians, they were more Northern.
of course, they would have sharp features.
south asian don't have sharp features.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 8:52:44 GMT
wrong, the excavations actually have been proven and aryan is a designation of mitanni people.
The Indian government have also brought about research papers of genetics and other archaeological discoveries underming and disproving the foreign theories of aryan invasion or immigration, and they talk with conviction as well.
The discovery of the Saraswati river bed by sattelite imagery anyway shows clearly that the Vedic system in India started earlier than a mere 1500 b.c. , and have extended it by over two milleniums more.
So all the earlier theories, have now been proven to be just that, theories, which are now redundant due to more facts available. And more facts are coming in the future as well.
People from all over the world has immigrated to India and has been accepted into the Aryan religion and culture. This is why the Avatars Rama and Krishna in the ancient epics Ramayana and Mahabharatha is described as having a dark complexion, while Lakshmana and Balarama is said to have fair ones.
Ultimately, the reason why India has succeeded in surviving as an ancient civilization while all others have collapsed is due to her focus on spirituality and spiritual value systems. The roman and short-lived nazi german reich's collapsed especially due to this lack of value systems and character.
The Arya mentioned in the Dharmic religions stands for one with ideal character, conduct and value systems. Hence the Arya is actually an expression of this spirituality and values that the Dharmic religions and philosophies of India stands for.
This is actually a lesson for the whole world to heed and profit from, rather than walking foolishly upon the paths of other collapsed civilizations seeking power and wealth at all costs, and which are now remembered in museums and history books.
wrong, aryans arriving to india would be something similar to modern europeans going to america. epsecially, spanish people in their latin america colonises.
Have you ever heard about the term 'CASTIZA' and 'MESTIZA'?
That's latin word for english castes, and in sanskrit, there are two words VARNA AND VARNA SANKARAS.
mestizzos == varna sanakras, mixed people. This is what aryans described to the people of the sucontinent.
What's so wrong in discussing this? hian as culture, but, as of now, i am only discussing the history.
Besides, the people who came as aryans, are no longer into existence. They also bred with local people, long time back. I never called myself pure at the first place.
Things keep on evolving, what's so strange?
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Post by ajay0 on Nov 3, 2018 14:22:42 GMT
The Indian government have also brought about research papers of genetics and other archaeological discoveries underming and disproving the foreign theories of aryan invasion or immigration, and they talk with conviction as well.
The discovery of the Saraswati river bed by sattelite imagery anyway shows clearly that the Vedic system in India started earlier than a mere 1500 b.c. , and have extended it by over two milleniums more.
So all the earlier theories, have now been proven to be just that, theories, which are now redundant due to more facts available. And more facts are coming in the future as well.
People from all over the world has immigrated to India and has been accepted into the Aryan religion and culture. This is why the Avatars Rama and Krishna in the ancient epics Ramayana and Mahabharatha is described as having a dark complexion, while Lakshmana and Balarama is said to have fair ones.
Ultimately, the reason why India has succeeded in surviving as an ancient civilization while all others have collapsed is due to her focus on spirituality and spiritual value systems. The roman and short-lived nazi german reich's collapsed especially due to this lack of value systems and character.
The Arya mentioned in the Dharmic religions stands for one with ideal character, conduct and value systems. Hence the Arya is actually an expression of this spirituality and values that the Dharmic religions and philosophies of India stands for.
This is actually a lesson for the whole world to heed and profit from, rather than walking foolishly upon the paths of other collapsed civilizations seeking power and wealth at all costs, and which are now remembered in museums and history books.
wrong, aryans arriving to india would be something similar to modern europeans going to america. epsecially, spanish people in their latin america colonises.
Have you ever heard about the term 'CASTIZA' and 'MESTIZA'?
That's latin word for english castes, and in sanskrit, there are two words VARNA AND VARNA SANKARAS.
mestizzos == varna sanakras, mixed people. This is what aryans described to the people of the sucontinent.
What's so wrong in discussing this? hian as culture, but, as of now, i am only discussing the history.
Besides, the people who came as aryans, are no longer into existence. They also bred with local people, long time back. I never called myself pure at the first place.
Things keep on evolving, what's so strange?
I have not stated that people from all over the world have not come to India. People indeed have migrated to India from different regions in the past, and they were incorporated into the Aryan culture or religion.
The Dharmic religions and philosophies consider the Arya as a man of ideal character and conduct, not a particular race.
Some European pseudo-scholars in the past made the folly of associating the Arya with a particular race instead of a virtuous nature or character, and they made the price for it through the world wars .
As Max Mueller stated, " I have declared again and again that if I say Aryans, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language… in that sense, and in that sense only, do I say that even the blackest Hindus represent an earlier stage of Aryan speech and thought than the fairest Scandinavians... To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar. "
The Arya in the Dharmic context is also different from the 'Aryan' used by the likes of Max Mueller and others to define peoples speaking a particular set of linguistically connected languages. Most western scholars of present, realising the error, have now started using the term Indo-european instead wisely.
The Dharmic and ancient eastern interpretation of Arya, is also important due to its focus on character, conduct and value systems which alone is responsible for making any individual or nation strong or weak, and which has enabled India as an ancient civilization to survive when all others collapsed.
Even Napoleon Bonaparte, arguably the greatest general ever, was wise enough to realise the importance of character and virtue in the long run...
"There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 14:06:33 GMT
wrong, aryans arriving to india would be something similar to modern europeans going to america. epsecially, spanish people in their latin america colonises.
Have you ever heard about the term 'CASTIZA' and 'MESTIZA'?
That's latin word for english castes, and in sanskrit, there are two words VARNA AND VARNA SANKARAS.
mestizzos == varna sanakras, mixed people. This is what aryans described to the people of the sucontinent.
What's so wrong in discussing this? hian as culture, but, as of now, i am only discussing the history.
Besides, the people who came as aryans, are no longer into existence. They also bred with local people, long time back. I never called myself pure at the first place.
Things keep on evolving, what's so strange?
I have not stated that people from all over the world have not come to India. People indeed have migrated to India from different regions in the past, and they were incorporated into the Aryan culture or religion.
The Dharmic religions and philosophies consider the Arya as a man of ideal character and conduct, not a particular race.
Some European pseudo-scholars in the past made the folly of associating the Arya with a particular race instead of a virtuous nature or character, and they made the price for it through the world wars .
As Max Mueller stated, " I have declared again and again that if I say Aryans, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language… in that sense, and in that sense only, do I say that even the blackest Hindus represent an earlier stage of Aryan speech and thought than the fairest Scandinavians... To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar. "
The Arya in the Dharmic context is also different from the 'Aryan' used by the likes of Max Mueller and others to define peoples speaking a particular set of linguistically connected languages. Most western scholars of present, realising the error, have now started using the term Indo-european instead wisely.
The Dharmic and ancient eastern interpretation of Arya, is also important due to its focus on character, conduct and value systems which alone is responsible for making any individual or nation strong or weak, and which has enabled India as an ancient civilization to survive when all others collapsed.
Even Napoleon Bonaparte, arguably the greatest general ever, was wise enough to realise the importance of character and virtue in the long run...
"There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit."
I don't want to question your belief, because that's your personal.
But I am 100% sure, that the INDO EUROPEANS, who designated themselves as "aryans" looked different than today's south asian, including all the 4 nations, india, paksitan, bangladesh and sri lanka.
If they would not have looked different than south asians, they would not have IMPOSED themselves as LORDS
They controlled subcontinent for so long, like 2000 years, that modern indians have not come out of their grip, even today, even to this extent, that instead of hating them, they want to be clubbed as 'aryans'.
The rule of aryans on indians had a deep impact.
Sanskrit, which, actually was language of those indo europeans, became sanskrit here, is vastly different , and is a dead langauge now. But hindu nationalists want to declare this as language of entire india. I don't know why to even associate with this, because, technically, sanskrit got dead, when the surviving indo europeans migrated to other regions, like bengal and maharasthra, and bengali and marathi came into existence.
Aryans had WARRIOR CULTURE, hindus of today not..
I would be more than happy, if modern hindus even implement 15% of those people. Lot of issues of india would get resolved.
Hindus of today don't follow any culture of aryans, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 14:28:06 GMT
// Some European pseudo-scholars in the past made the folly of associating the Arya with a particular race instead of a virtuous nature or character, and they made the price for it through the world wars .//
well, that's shitler's nordicissm. Even today, the 'race' of these people who designated themselves as aryans, is need to be discussed. Though the sintastha burial site, and their immediate predecessor corded ware culture is showing great affinities.
The sintastha people were known to be the speaker of a language called as proto indo iranian, from which indo irani language came. The proto indo iranian language is centum indo european, language.
shitler was making dalofaelid + baltid as aryan, which was completely wrong and that's why he was fucked.
shitler's nordicissm is shit only. even R1b not aryan.
Slavs were more closer to nordics, but he never made them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 8:25:13 GMT
Vedic aryans history is from north west paksitan, sindh pronvinces, and iran, where the indo europeans controlled these regions.
The migration towards gangetic belts happened much much later.
I don't think so that mainstream india even got ruled by aryans, at the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 8:29:44 GMT
In fact, indigeneous people of pakistan, don't like this coming of aryans, even today. So at least, they accept that they were controlled by this foreign race long time back, and all was definitely not well with them, though indian media want to declare pakistanis as aryans, but, native pakistanis from soan valley culture, who had inhabited IVC, actually fought against this colonisation of vedic aryans. All was definitely not well at subcontinent, with these people. Why indian nationalists want to deny all such things, and are calling hindus as aryans? www.oocities.org/pak_history/aryan.htmlThis prosperous and flourishing civilization (Indus Valley) was brought to an end by the savage invasions of the Aryans about 1,500 B.C. These warlike nomads had encountered a very sophisticated civilization that of the Indus Valley. Large number of skeletons discovered in Harappa, Meonjo Daro and other places shows that the local people put up stiff resistance and died fighting valiantly. There are traces of widespread devastation caused by the invaders in the entire Pakistan. A scorched earth policy seems to have been followed which extinguished almost all traces of civilization in the region. "Evidence from Baluchistan, Sind and the Punjab is reasonably consistent in implying that at some period likely to have been before 1,500 B.C., to use a convenient round figure, the long established cultural traditions of north-western India (i.e., Pakistan) were rudely and ruthlessly interrupted by the arrival of new people from the West. The Aryan advent was in fact the arrival of Barbarians into a region already highly organized into an empire based on a long established tradition of literate urban culture." (Pre-historic India, By Stuart Piggot)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 8:33:28 GMT
When they first arrived in the South Asia the Aryans were primarily pastoralists. Their economic life centered around their cattle and wealth was judged on the basis of the size of herds. As the newcomers settled in fertile river valleys, they gradually shifted more to agriculture. They lived in villages consisting of a number of related families. Several villages comprised a clan, and several clans a tribe, at the head of which was the king. The king’s authority depended on his personal prowess and initiative, and was limited by the council of nobles, and in some tribes by the freemen. "The outstanding characteristics of this early Aryan society was its basic difference from the later Hinduism. Cows were not worshipped but eaten. Intoxicating spirits were not forsaken but joyously consumed. There were classes but no castes, and the priests were subordinate to the nobles rather than at the top of the social pyramid. In short, Aryan society resembled much more the contemporary Indo-European societies than it did Hinduism that was to develop in later centuries in the Gangetic Valley.
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hindus have caste system, while aryans had classes, which was varna vyavastha. This is the biggest difference between vedic aryans and hindus today, hindus follow caste system, and despite, everyone calling it to get it banned, it won't happen, only thing is some inter-caste marriages are happening, but castes and races are not synonymous with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 11:04:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 14:32:07 GMT
I don't even know, how much of the brahmans would be aryans in that context, because, many brahmans themselves have been at the forefront of denying aryan invasion theory, as they want to somehow brahmanize india, along with hindutva contexts using mythologies and fairy tales.
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