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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 12, 2018 5:08:44 GMT
Ok, so I did a little study about how Muhammed started Islam and had some questions. Here's the story I found....
So the guy was a merchant and thought about spirituality a lot. So he had a normal job as most of us and focused on being a good person as I hope most of us do too. Next, he decided to go meditate in a cave. Why a cave? Was he a caveman? Seems odd but whatever to each his own. Then supposedly an angel named Gabriel appeared and told him to practice and teach compassion, honesty, and justice. And at that time women had few rights so he tried to make them equal before God with more rights. Then since he thought he was actually going mad, his wife convinced him he was a prophet and was his first convert. Kind of odd someone else telling you that you're a prophet since prophets knew they were and told others they were. But for Muhammad the prophet stuff worked backwards I guess. Shrug Anyway, so since he was illiterate and couldn't read or write he spoke everything by word of mouth mostly...and to his family. Not until much later did his followers write the Koran.
My questions. 1. Who picks an illiterate person to spread a message from God? That's like me using my kindergarten student over my high school student to deliver important announcements which I'd never do unless I wanted to embarrass myself. Moses knew measurements and could write.
2. If he was supposed to spread equality with males and females then why no equality? Women are killed in honor killings and not men. Where's the equality in this? I need to see hundreds or more dead male bodies.
3. Angel Gabriel told him that their god is the same one of Jacob and Jesus. So if their god is the OT god then their writtings would be together. All the OT prophets had their messages delivered and all written in OT. Where is the book of Muhammad in OT? After Micah somewhere?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 23, 2018 20:33:47 GMT
It's not an anthropological forum. I said this a million times And Muhammad made Islam. Everyone knows this! upload images to share
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 23, 2018 20:49:57 GMT
It's not an anthropological forum. I said this a million times And Muhammad made Islam. Everyone knows this! Yeah says social anthropology not anthropology. There's a difference! Social anthropology=sociology It's a sociology place.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 23, 2018 21:10:27 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 23, 2018 21:32:09 GMT
Yes, in sociology we study the culture and people's relationship. Some people have bad relationships!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 3:45:39 GMT
tautology ? let this fact interested practicing muslim ? dont know what u are trying to say I say let the Muslims pay attention to the tautology in the text of the book which they consider to be a message from heaven Shrug do you speak Arabic? can you confirm the tautology? about this fact I wrote just above No I don't know what is tautaology. Descendant from an Arab race only shrug. Can't speak nor understand
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 24, 2018 8:58:54 GMT
I say let the Muslims pay attention to the tautology in the text of the book which they consider to be a message from heaven do you speak Arabic? can you confirm the tautology? about this fact I wrote just above No I don't know what is tautaology. Descendant from an Arab race only . Can't speak nor understand en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(language)
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 24, 2018 9:07:13 GMT
Even if The Roman Church was really interested in spreading Islam.This should be in order to undermine the ancient Churches of Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, which since the Apostolic times were important in the Middle East. Also against the Orthodox Byzantine Empire. The Roman Church was under the influence of heresies long before the Schism!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 15:36:48 GMT
@unknown Muslims are also "Jesus faithful", right? He's just presented in a bit different way. ElizabethAnd I said that you try to incorporate the Quran into the Old Testament, and not into the New Testament. Which is crucial when you decide to actually care about chronology. Biblical prophets. According to Islam, Jesus is a prophet too, and since we talk about Islam here any reference to the Old Testament does not make sense. Furthermore, not whole Old Testament is about the prophets' lives. No, he would not.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 24, 2018 17:26:03 GMT
@romeo
I'm still using chronology but I'm also thinking as a librarian. Muhammad would need to go to OT only and here's why.
OT: law and prophets(with their psalms/proverbs) books NT: gospels and letters (with the apocalypse) books
As you see the next prophet book must be put in OT because OT stores prophet books. A librarian wouldn't put a comic book with Encyclopedias no matter what age the books are. It's dumb and she won't be a librarian for very long if she did that. You don't put books together because of age but because of what they are as in mysteries, encyclopedias, biographies, etc. So Muhammad will be put in OT because prophets go there and not in NT. NT rejects prophet books since NT has a different purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 20:56:38 GMT
ElizabethDid you actually read what I wrote? Just asking, because you missed something very important.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 24, 2018 21:09:38 GMT
ElizabethDid you actually read what I wrote? Just asking, because you missed something very important. I did. But since you're not religious you consider Jesus a prophet when He didn't come to be a prophet nor claimed to be one. That's why there are zero prophet books in NT since all are in OT. Prophets were given in the old covenant (OT) to point to His coming for the new covenant (NT). If that makes sense. Unless it's not what you meant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 21:15:42 GMT
Elizabeth Me being irreligious has nothing to do with the issue you are trying to debate. Not to mention the fact that what you wrote is a complete nonsense - since I am not religious, how can I perceive anybody as a prophet? When you talk about Islam, then don't be surprised when someone answers you from Islamic perspective. If you stick to your own beliefs without even bothering to open your mind to a different concept (which you started to ask about), then there is no point in debating anything at all. Therefore, the Quran would not fit in the Old Testament, because of when it was written and what it refers to (including Jesus). Furthermore, the Quran would not fit in the Old Testament, because Christianity does not perceive Muhammad as any kind of prophet or a saint. Mentioning my own beliefs is argumentum ad hominem, a very cheap move to prove the point without actually proving anything. If you expect only the answers which will reassure you in your own thoughts, then why not talk to a Christian priest? This is where I will stop, as I already see this discussion leads to nowhere. Have a nice day/evening.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 24, 2018 21:46:19 GMT
Elizabeth Me being irreligious has nothing to do with the issue you are trying to debate. Not to mention the fact that what you wrote is a complete nonsense - since I am not religious, how can I perceive anybody as a prophet? When you talk about Islam, then don't be surprised when someone answers you from Islamic perspective. If you stick to your own beliefs without even bothering to open your mind to a different concept (which you started to ask about), then there is no point in debating anything at all. Therefore, the Quran would not fit in the Old Testament, because of when it was written and what it refers to (including Jesus). Furthermore, the Quran would not fit in the Old Testament, because Christianity does not perceive Muhammad as any kind of prophet or a saint. Mentioning my own beliefs is argumentum ad hominem, a very cheap move to prove the point without actually proving anything. If you expect only the answers which will reassure you in your own thoughts, then why not talk to a Christian priest? This is where I will stop, as I already see this discussion leads to nowhere. Have a nice day/evening. I think I found the confusion. Islam only uses OT (or parts of even if just listing their prophets from it) and their Quran as far as I know. So to my knowlege they don't use NT so not sure why NT is always brought up since it's only in Christianity. I think this is where we become confused then. I leave NT out for Islam and you want to mention it so I don't know where to go from there. Which actually doesn't even work for Islam because NT will disqualify Muhammad as a prophet. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16 John was the last one. He just came to say here is Jesus who all of us(prophets) told you about and then he was killed. And prophets who speak of the first coming of the Messiah is done with then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 9:59:03 GMT
@unknown Muslims are also "Jesus faithful", right? He's just presented in a bit different way. Elizabeth And I said that you try to incorporate the Quran into the Old Testament, and not into the New Testament. Which is crucial when you decide to actually care about chronology. Biblical prophets. According to Islam, Jesus is a prophet too, and since we talk about Islam here any reference to the Old Testament does not make sense. Furthermore, not whole Old Testament is about the prophets' lives. No, he would not. i aint a muslim though, but yeah u are right , it was the same message
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