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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 7, 2018 19:42:31 GMT
I don't understand. Whites could be pure evil and some shouldn't even exist like Hitler and Stalin. So how are whites elite or considered to be? People are just people. ...black, white, brown, and blue with Mohawks. Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 7, 2018 19:53:24 GMT
There are evil people of every race, color, and creed. To say someone's skin color determines their morals is ridiculous. Joseph Kony is black and he's evil, does that make all black people evil? No, no way. Mao ZeDong was Chinese and he was evil, does that mean all Chinese people are evil? No, no way.. same with Pol Pot from Cambodia. Idi Amin Dada of Africa, a black man, killed 500,000 of his own people in Uganda. Does that make all black people evil? No.
It's just stupid people who think skin color decides morality. They don't use their brains. It is much easier(lazier) to lump a bunch of people into a bucket with a label on it then to look at people as individuals.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Oct 7, 2018 20:14:59 GMT
Only a small chunk of a community, ethnic group or society is "elite". So calling all members of a specific group elite is 11/10 logic. The definition of elite is crystal clear. As DKTrav88 said it, some people like generalization. Also, I think borderline/irrelevant people and losers are more interested in "WE ARE SUPERIOR/SPECIAL" stuff or stealing/claiming other people's achievements.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 6, 2018 11:12:40 GMT
Yeah, go to the trailer park in Arkansas and tell me "whites" as a group are all elite. Heck, Barack Obama was an elite black dude who was our president!
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Post by anaxagoras on Jan 15, 2019 21:56:16 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 15, 2019 22:06:51 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. But how, when, and why did "white" become the popular color. It's technically an opinion but why did one color gain so much fame? What's the point of such a separation? Like different color or species of roaches don't do a hierarchy on their kind, why do we?
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Post by anaxagoras on Jan 15, 2019 22:19:40 GMT
Elizabeth because Europeans in the imperial conquests have written and re-written history. Haven't you heard of King Leopold II in his reference to the Africans and his intent on colonizing a region of Africa offering them religion to replace their "savage beliefs?" What about the Samoan and Tongan Islands where colonialists used religion to pacify the many indigenous peoples? In this case it is not the religions themselves but the Eurocentric model of Christianity imparted on many tribal communities across the world. We look at the 1600's of the North American colonies and how early white settlers tried to design a colonialist utopia based on "freedom" but it did not include the enslaved Africans. Whites in the United States historically had a head start and were historically always were favored and look at as an accomplished ethnic group. I suggest reading the following from Psychology Today:
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-the-lines/201202/ten-things-everyone-should-know-about-white-privilege-today
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jan 16, 2019 0:45:13 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. If white privilege exists, then why did Elizabeth Warren pretend to be Native American to get ahead in her career?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 16, 2019 3:32:21 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. Most of the stereotypes of whiter skin being more beautiful does not hearken back to Eurocentricism but rather to cultural norms established when these countries were agrarian and ruled by a rural aristocracy. Darker skin meant you worked out in the sun and were a poor, dirty, peasant. Lighter or pale skin meant that you never worked in the sun and were a rich aristocrat. It has little to do with colonialism except maybe in the case of Latin America where a racial caste system was in fact put in place with whites on top and blacks on the bottom, and Natives in the middle.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 16, 2019 3:38:27 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. If white privilege exists, then why did Elizabeth Warren pretend to be Native American to get ahead in her career? My brother is one eighth Native American. We've both joked that he should try to get into Harvard like Elizabeth Warren did.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 4, 2019 16:51:02 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. If white privilege exists, then why did Elizabeth Warren pretend to be Native American to get ahead in her career? The same reason whites did by playing the $5 Native American game
newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/paying-to-play-indian-the-dawes-rolls-and-the-legacy-of-5-indians-3yha0LldYUaH7smRsrks8A/
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 4, 2019 16:54:09 GMT
Whites are considered elite due to the unearned benefits they receive both domestically and globally. Even impoverished whites have unearned benefits many people of color do not have. If we expand this and look globally for example the country of India for example, many people there value each other's exterior on the Eurocentric standards of beauty (e.g. lighter skin). In addition being of lighter or white complexion is also associated with money. Imagine those in the trailer park who are poor are able to visit India! If they are side by side with a black man or woman they most certainly would be favored based on these stereotypes alone. We can also look at the history of European colonialism and the many incidents that have occurred and how many Europeans benefitted from other cultural inventions by so called "savages" passing them off as their own so we in the later historical years think early settlers accomplished such feats. Most of the stereotypes of whiter skin being more beautiful does not hearken back to Eurocentricism but rather to cultural norms established when these countries were agrarian and ruled by a rural aristocracy. Darker skin meant you worked out in the sun and were a poor, dirty, peasant. Lighter or pale skin meant that you never worked in the sun and were a rich aristocrat. It has little to do with colonialism except maybe in the case of Latin America where a racial caste system was in fact put in place with whites on top and blacks on the bottom, and Natives in the middle. "The spectrum of skin tones among slaves and others who were legally black, grew wider. Slave owners often granted more privileges to the lighter skinned slaves, saw them as smarter and more capable because of their white ancestry, allowed them some form of education or training, and occasionally granted them their freedom."
colorismhealing.org/colorism-roots-and-routes/
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 4, 2019 18:18:09 GMT
So these people had to claim that they had Native American blood in their ancestry, then, and only then, would they have the privilege of obtaining land for $5. So, simply put, these white people would have to claim that they are something other than white to get the privilege of paying $5 for land. This isnāt white privilege, this is other-than-white privilege. And Elizabeth Warren was guilty of doing this exact thing; claiming to be something other than white in order to get a special privilege.
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Post by anaxagoras on Mar 4, 2019 23:54:16 GMT
So these people had to claim that they had Native American blood in their ancestry, then, and only then, would they have the privilege of obtaining land for $5. So, simply put, these white people would have to claim that they are something other than white to get the privilege of paying $5 for land. This isnāt white privilege, this is other-than-white privilege. And Elizabeth Warren was guilty of doing this exact thing; claiming to be something other than white in order to get a special privilege. No, you are missing the point immensely. Early white settlers, colonialists or what not already had the privilege of land, economic growth, and power. their privilege was already established even you cannot deny that. You asked the question "If privilege exists, why did Elizabeth Warren pretend to be Native American to get ahead in her career?" the whole model of superiority in this case, white supremacy is about the demonstration of privilege through tactics to promote cultural superiority. In the case of the $5 Native American, white men wanted more than what they already had therefore they sought loopholes in transactions to acquire lands through deceptive means.
"These were opportunistic white men who wanted access to land or food rations,ā said Gregory Smithers, associate professor of history at Virginia Commonwealth University. āThese were people who were more than happy to exploit the Dawes Commissionāand government agents, for $5, were willing to turn a blind eye to the graft and corruption."
There attempt was to gain more access and resources to which they have already had, in a lot of cases more than others.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 5, 2019 1:16:17 GMT
The problem of this system being a white supremacist society that oppresses minorities is that many minorities are far more successful a revered than whites especially Jews and Asians who are regarded as smarter and harder working than whites because of their race. Nigerian and Caribbean blacks are also far richer and more successful than whites on average despite this system supposedly being rigged against them. The reason that some races and ethnic groups are more successful than others in the USA is that the United States is a meritocracy where generally the most intelligent, hardworking, and talented people get ahead and some cultures value these things or discourage them in varying degrees.
The reason that Nigerian blacks are successful and African American blacks are not is that in Nigerian culture you are either 1. a doctor 2. a lawyer 3. an engineer 4. a disgrace. Black Americans, on the other hand, have a culture that worships violence, laziness, and ignorance. I went to school with the black kids all through high school and I've experienced this first hand. If a black kid were to show any interest in intellectual pursuits or his academic standing he would be accused of "acting white." On top of that many of them had criminal records in their teens, were using drugs, and reacted to any perceived slight with violence. Their women were promiscuous and many of them had babies in their early teens. If you asked the black males what they wanted to do with their life they wanted to be a rapper or play basketball. To not be poor in this country you have to do three things 1. not have babies out of wedlock 2. finish high school 3. hold a job and keep it. Many African Americans cannot seem to do one of these three things. On top of that, the men have a tendency to impregnate the women and then skip town leaving their children in an often abusive fatherless upbringing. I've been around African Americans my whole life and many of them are great people that I love dearly but the problems I mention, I've seen first hand and they are pervasive and need to be honestly discussed if there is any chance to improve the situation. Saying, "I can't get ahead because of white people," will solve nothing and is self-defeating in the end. Telling their children that lie will only serve to hold them back when they have so much potential.
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