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Post by honor on Sept 13, 2018 5:24:10 GMT
Hinduism is the oldest religion developed between 500BCE and 300CE.Respecting the faith of every religion is an essence of Hinduism.Its rituals and practices are totally science releted with lots of scientific and historic proofs which are found till today
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:08:53 GMT
//But say that to the nazis or neo-nazis. If you lack fair complexion, you are easy meat for them. Mongrelised blood is anathema to them.// rigvedic hymns predates 1942, hitler and nazis. So, leave them.
nazi aryanism was totally rubbish, and psuedo science, and political. They considered icelanders as pure racial stock, though, in reality, icelanders were slaves of vikings. Slavs are more closer to their own version of aryan, but they were not considered aryans by them.
Icelanders weren't genetically isolated because they wanted "pure" blood. They are the descendants of a Viking prison colony (analogous to how England used Australia): they were forced to stay in a place that nobody wanted to go. Bastard children of foreign fishermen, sailors and traders have been welcome on the island for centuries, few though they were.
Similarly, pahlavi and iran was made aryan, because, iran was a british colony. A psuedo aryan history of iran was created, and one can see, what happened to iran. How many iranis were even blue eyes, blonde haired in those days?
Actual aryan was Darius the Great. This is the best How many modern iranis even look like him now? //But say that to the nazis or neo-nazis. If you lack fair complexion, you are easy meat for them. Mongrelised blood is anathema to them.//
rigvedic hymns predates 1942, hitler and nazis. So, leave them.
nazi aryanism was totally rubbish, and psuedo science, and political. They considered icelanders as pure racial stock, though, in reality, icelanders were slaves of vikings,
Icelanders weren't genetically isolated because they wanted "pure" blood. They are the descendants of a Viking prison colony (analogous to how England used Australia): they were forced to stay in a place that nobody wanted to go. Bastard children of foreign fishermen, sailors and traders have been welcome on the island for centuries, few though they were.
Similarly, pahlavi and iran was made aryan, because, iran was a british colony. A psuedo aryan history of iran was created, and one can see, what happened to iran.
Real aryan was Darius the Great. How many modern iranis even look like him now? And nazi would not consider him as aryan. But Dairus was direct descendent of ahura mazda or shukra
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Post by ajay0 on Sept 17, 2018 16:15:04 GMT
But say that to the nazis or neo-nazis. If you lack fair complexion, you are easy meat for them. Mongrelised blood is anathema to them. Those with fair complexion have a better chance of getting away with it, than the dark skinned ones even if they have the so-called phenotype of central asians.
For the nazis and their sympathisers, the term Aryan was just an identity to lump together all the white race to the exclusion of the jews. They wanted this because without such an identity they felt superficial as they lacked an ancient civilization of their own like the Jews.
they lost right. Then, what's the fuss now.
The Nazis lost, but the thought process that termed Aryan as a white identity still continues through the neo-nazis and nazi sympathisers, even though they have no idea what the term really means and its sanskrit origin. For them it is still a term to lump the white race together to the exclusion of the Jews, whom they adamantly claim to be a separate race.
Just like Islam has suffered intersectarian violence due to politisation , similarly the whole Aryan racial thing has been politicised and its repurcussions still continues.
The Indians have also suffered racial attacks from the neo-nazis as well though the issue is really xenophobia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:38:31 GMT
Hinduism is the oldest religion developed between 500BCE and 300CE.Respecting the faith of every religion is an essence of Hinduism.Its rituals and practices are totally science releted with lots of scientific and historic proofs which are found till today like what for example ??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:49:46 GMT
I don't know much about Hinduism. But I know that if a nice Indian lady would start to explain it to me, I'd be all ears, absorbing the information just as a sponge absorbs water.
you really find indian ladies to be fine?
honestly, you must be talking about these
the indian national females whom people have met, from this forum, actually are cosmetic, makeup beauties.
so many salons in india, and those salons have nordic models as their poster boys and girls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:50:19 GMT
you really find indian ladies to be fine?
honestly, you must be talking about these
the indian national females whom people have met, from this forum, actually are cosmetic, makeup beauties.
so many salons in india, and those salons have nordic models as their poster boys and girls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:50:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:51:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:58:01 GMT
Can't say anything more than that it is one of the oldest and widest known religion. Knowing the history of hinduism, seems to be very simplistic and traditional. Although most of the sectors are now formed from it. yet, Hindus are known the most powerfull and withstanding. how come its the widest ??? hindus make great doctors and computer geeks,, that i can absorb ,, but powerful and withstanding is rather associated with justice league and marvel heroes not a race . u know what am sayin?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 3:13:52 GMT
they lost right. Then, what's the fuss now.
The Nazis lost, but the thought process that termed Aryan as a white identity still continues through the neo-nazis and nazi sympathisers, even though they have no idea what the term really means and its sanskrit origin. For them it is still a term to lump the white race together to the exclusion of the Jews, whom they adamantly claim to be a separate race.
Just like Islam has suffered intersectarian violence due to politisation , similarly the whole Aryan racial thing has been politicised and its repurcussions still continues.
The Indians have also suffered racial attacks from the neo-nazis as well though the issue is really xenophobia.
No idea about it, because, I am not related to white races, though yamnaya people were moderately white.
Corded Ware
Haak et al. (2015) studied DNA from 94 skeletons from Europe and Russia aged between 3,000 and 8,000 years old.[32] They concluded that about 4,500 years ago there was a major influx into Europe of Yamna culture people originating from the Pontic-Caspian steppe north of the Black Sea and that the DNA of copper-age Europeans matched that of the Yamnaya. The genetic basis of a number of features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained: they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European:[33][34]
The four Corded Ware people could trace an astonishing three-quarters of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, according to the paper. That suggests a massive migration of Yamnaya people from their steppe homeland into eastern Europe about 4500 years ago when the Corded Ware culture began, perhaps carrying an early form of Indo-European language.
And Corded Ware people were the ancestors of sintastha
Andronovo
From the Corded Ware culture the Indo-Europeans spread eastward again, forming the Andronovo culture. Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.[35] According to Allentoft et al. (2015), the Sintashta culture and Andronovo culture are derived from the Corded Ware culture.[36] According to Keyser et al. (2009), out of 10 human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the Krasnoyarsk region, nine possessed the R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup and one had the C-M130 haplogroup (xC3). Furthermore, 90% of the Bronze Age period mtDNA haplogroups were of west Eurasian origin, and the study determined that at least 60% of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human-remains samples from the study that could be tested) had light hair and blue or green eyes.[37][note 6]
A 2004 study also established that during the Bronze Age/Iron Age period, the majority of the population of Kazakhstan (part of the Andronovo culture during Bronze Age), was of west Eurasian origin (with mtDNA haplogroups such as U, H, HV, T, I and W), and that prior to the 13th–7th centuries BCE, all samples from Kazakhstan belonged to European lineages.[38]
Indo Aryans would be from Sintastha.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 7:55:22 GMT
//I have often wondered why some darkskinned people in the subcontinent have such poor self-esteem.// you did not read my post, and link which I have provided. It is RSS-HINDUTVA people who had ideas of designing super babies.
Yeah, it is all nonsense meant to dupe gullible people with all kind of idiotic ideas. And there will be buyers for such ideas as well if marketed properly or through effective propaganda. This is what happened in Germany as well during the pre ww2 period, and they had to pay a very heavy price for their gullibility.
A major problem for such people is their inferiority complex, desire to ape the westerners, and turn dark complexion to fair complexion by bleaching or other aids. Many wants to get visas to western countries to settle there, and are servile and fawn upon visiting western tourists for visas, and emphasize aryan relationships and ancestry. And many do get away with it in order to escape poverty, so I don't blame them much for using such tactics.
what sort of aryan kinship? germans/nordic were and are not aryans, they are INDO-EUROPEANS. People who are aryans, are part of indo-europeans, and they are speakers of indo-iranis and indo aryan family of languges. Ruling classes of aryavarta were aryans.
viking mythologies also have indo-european elements in it, that may have turned them to think hitler etc that they were technologically advanced people. In reality, those vikings, they were not race, but sea farers, and there's not one single homogeneous vikings. Some vikings were also known as aesir, which means central asians.
And they were not technologically advanced people, which hitler made the claim. They were amazing sailors and ship builders. They had made icelanders as slaves.
It's not even going to be possible for indo-aryans to be even related with western europeans, because, they were a different group of people altogether. However, the common elements between them is an INDO-EUROPEAN family of language. Indo-European is purely a linguistic term.
Now, it could be possible, that people who became aryan, may have a one common ancestor, which other indo-european people might also have. That's known as kurgan hypothesis, but kurgans were known as giants. And, giants in vedas are recorded as Vedic Daityas, though indra's tale and norse mythologies of thor are very similar. Poetic eddas call these people are jotuns, and greeks call them as titans. My surname is also lambu, because my real ancestors were giants.
But term aryan is only meant for persian/indo iranis, and vedic sanskritic group speakers.
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Post by ajay0 on Sept 18, 2018 11:15:16 GMT
Yeah, it is all nonsense meant to dupe gullible people with all kind of idiotic ideas. And there will be buyers for such ideas as well if marketed properly or through effective propaganda. This is what happened in Germany as well during the pre ww2 period, and they had to pay a very heavy price for their gullibility.
A major problem for such people is their inferiority complex, desire to ape the westerners, and turn dark complexion to fair complexion by bleaching or other aids. Many wants to get visas to western countries to settle there, and are servile and fawn upon visiting western tourists for visas, and emphasize aryan relationships and ancestry. And many do get away with it in order to escape poverty, so I don't blame them much for using such tactics.
But term aryan is only meant for persian/indo iranis, and vedic sanskritic group speakers.
Scholars have stated that the term Arya was used in ancient times in a religious, cultural and linguistic framework, not racial of any sort.
The term Arya has also been used in Buddhism and Jainism even though both have rejected the vedic religion and casteism.
Buddha's Dharma and Vinaya are the ariyassa dhammavinayo. The Four Noble Truths are called the catvāry āryasatyāni (Sanskrit) or cattāri ariyasaccāni (Pali). The Noble Eightfold Path is called the āryamārga (Sanskrit, also āryāṣṭāṅgikamārga) or ariyamagga (Pāli). Buddhists themselves are called ariyapuggalas (Arya persons). In Buddhist texts, the āryas are those who have the Buddhist śīla (Pāli sīla, meaning "virtue") and follow the Buddhist path. Those who despise Buddhism are often called "anāryas".
According to Amarakosa "An arya comes from a noble family, is civilized, of good character and soft natured. (mahakula kulinarya sabhya sajjana sadhavah.)"
In Hinduism as well, Arya has been used to address people of virtuous character and conduct . The low-born Vidura was considered as an Arya when he protested against injustice and falsehood in the Mahabharatha, and the high-born prince Dusshasana was considered unarya when he tried to humiliate Draupadi by trying to disrobe her in public.
The Bhagavata Purana also states thus, " "O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy name, although born of a low family like that of a Chandala, is situated on the highest platform of self-realization. Such a person must have performed all kinds of penances and sacrifices according to Vedic literatures many, many times after taking bath in all the holy places of pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be the best of the Arya family" (Bhagavata Purana 3.33.7).
The Arya Samaj similarly considers anyone as Arya who adheres to the vedic teachings and code of conduct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:19:13 GMT
But term aryan is only meant for persian/indo iranis, and vedic sanskritic group speakers.
Scholars have stated that the term Arya was used in ancient times in a religious, cultural and linguistic framework, not racial of any sort.
The term Arya has also been used in Buddhism and Jainism even though both have rejected the vedic religion and casteism.
Buddha's Dharma and Vinaya are the ariyassa dhammavinayo. The Four Noble Truths are called the catvāry āryasatyāni (Sanskrit) or cattāri ariyasaccāni (Pali). The Noble Eightfold Path is called the āryamārga (Sanskrit, also āryāṣṭāṅgikamārga) or ariyamagga (Pāli). Buddhists themselves are called ariyapuggalas (Arya persons). In Buddhist texts, the āryas are those who have the Buddhist śīla (Pāli sīla, meaning "virtue") and follow the Buddhist path. Those who despise Buddhism are often called "anāryas".
According to Amarakosa "An arya comes from a noble family, is civilized, of good character and soft natured. (mahakula kulinarya sabhya sajjana sadhavah.)"
In Hinduism as well, Arya has been used to address people of virtuous character and conduct . The low-born Vidura was considered as an Arya when he protested against injustice and falsehood in the Mahabharatha, and the high-born prince Dusshasana was considered unarya when he tried to humiliate Draupadi by trying to disrobe her in public.
The Bhagavata Purana also states thus, " "O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy name, although born of a low family like that of a Chandala, is situated on the highest platform of self-realization. Such a person must have performed all kinds of penances and sacrifices according to Vedic literatures many, many times after taking bath in all the holy places of pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be the best of the Arya family" (Bhagavata Purana 3.33.7).
The Arya Samaj similarly considers anyone as Arya who adheres to the vedic teachings and code of conduct.
well, i am not into arya samaj, because, that was another nazi type of group from india.
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Post by ajay0 on Sept 18, 2018 11:25:04 GMT
Scholars have stated that the term Arya was used in ancient times in a religious, cultural and linguistic framework, not racial of any sort.
The term Arya has also been used in Buddhism and Jainism even though both have rejected the vedic religion and casteism.
Buddha's Dharma and Vinaya are the ariyassa dhammavinayo. The Four Noble Truths are called the catvāry āryasatyāni (Sanskrit) or cattāri ariyasaccāni (Pali). The Noble Eightfold Path is called the āryamārga (Sanskrit, also āryāṣṭāṅgikamārga) or ariyamagga (Pāli). Buddhists themselves are called ariyapuggalas (Arya persons). In Buddhist texts, the āryas are those who have the Buddhist śīla (Pāli sīla, meaning "virtue") and follow the Buddhist path. Those who despise Buddhism are often called "anāryas".
According to Amarakosa "An arya comes from a noble family, is civilized, of good character and soft natured. (mahakula kulinarya sabhya sajjana sadhavah.)"
In Hinduism as well, Arya has been used to address people of virtuous character and conduct . The low-born Vidura was considered as an Arya when he protested against injustice and falsehood in the Mahabharatha, and the high-born prince Dusshasana was considered unarya when he tried to humiliate Draupadi by trying to disrobe her in public.
The Bhagavata Purana also states thus, " "O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy name, although born of a low family like that of a Chandala, is situated on the highest platform of self-realization. Such a person must have performed all kinds of penances and sacrifices according to Vedic literatures many, many times after taking bath in all the holy places of pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be the best of the Arya family" (Bhagavata Purana 3.33.7).
The Arya Samaj similarly considers anyone as Arya who adheres to the vedic teachings and code of conduct.
well, i am not into arya samaj, because, that was another nazi type of group from india.
The Arya Samaj have no connections to any nazi ideology. It has millions of adherents all over the world, and stands for the term Arya in the religious and cultural sense.
Many people from all over the world have become Aryas through the Arya Samaj.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:49:40 GMT
well, i am not into arya samaj, because, that was another nazi type of group from india.
The Arya Samaj have no connections to any nazi ideology. It has millions of adherents all over the world, and stands for the term Arya in the religious and cultural sense.
Many people from all over the world have become Aryas through the Arya Samaj.
one cannot make anyone aryans, just through these type of culture etc. And Aryans were specifically a group of people, ruling classes of ancient iran/north west portions of india, till punjab, some 5000 years back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:50:58 GMT
they are not indo aryan girls, actually.
That was madhuri dixit, who is close to indo aryan phenotype. preity zinta is indo brachid, but with a lighter skin.
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