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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 6, 2018 8:30:35 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 6, 2018 12:15:01 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today? The United States emerged as a result of separatism in the 13 British colonies in North America. It's natural...they were far from the center and therefore wanted independence. British America
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on May 8, 2019 19:29:05 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today? As in Spanish America, It Was a Revolt of the Criollos The richest ones wanted to establish their own native hereditary aristocracy. They were forced to do so because the British were about to install the younger heirs of their own aristocracy here. So the younger brother of the Duke of York would have become the Duke of New York. Jefferson hated the Norman British aristocracy and didn't want to establish any kind of Birth-Class Supremacy here, so he was intentionally excluded from the writing of the Constitution, democracy's suicide note.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 8, 2019 21:21:42 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today? As in Spanish America, It Was a Revolt of the Criollos The richest ones wanted to establish their own native hereditary aristocracy. They were forced to do so because the British were about to install the younger heirs of their own aristocracy here. So the younger brother of the Duke of York would have become the Duke of New York. Jefferson hated the Norman British aristocracy and didn't want to establish any kind of Birth-Class Supremacy here, so he was intentionally excluded from the writing of the Constitution, democracy's suicide note. So you're saying today's America is exactly the kind they tried to make back then?
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Post by PISTON1246 on May 22, 2019 19:24:25 GMT
THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE BRITISH ANYMORE.
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Post by fschmidt on May 22, 2019 20:20:26 GMT
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Post by joustos on Jun 1, 2019 14:07:50 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today? The United States emerged as a result of separatism in the 13 British colonies in North America. It's natural...they were far from the center and therefore wanted independence. British America It's true that in the colonies some people wanted independence from the British monarchy, but it was not a general revolt of the colonies, or an agrarian revolt (such as it occurred in France).The American colonials who wanted and fought for independence were freemasons or freethinkers. The European freemasons were descendants or associates of the Templars (the "soldiers of Christ") who went to live by the temple in Jerusalem after the Second Crusaders seized it in 1009 The Order of the Templars was so instituted as to be independent of the jurisdiction of both kings and bishops. However, while they lived in Europe, they were de facto under their jurisdiction. The lands of the colonies in America were not real possessions of the European aristocrats, so there was a real opportunity for the freemasons to become independent.
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Post by joustos on Jun 1, 2019 20:33:15 GMT
Correction of the date of the capture of Jerusalem: 1099, when a Genovese merchant ship was dismantled in order to provide the planks to build a siege-tower and go over the mighty walls of the City.
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Post by sculptor on Jun 13, 2019 11:57:07 GMT
The USA was a British invention.
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Post by sculptor on Jun 13, 2019 12:00:56 GMT
This is the guy from Lewes who had more to do with the invention of the USA than any other single person. He remains to radical to enter conservative history books except as a footnote, but he was way ahead of most in both the American and French revolutions.. And unlike most of the so called 'founding fathers' Paine was no slave owning gentry hypocrite but a true man of the people.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 28, 2020 3:31:08 GMT
How did these "founding fathers" come together? How was the Bill of Rights constructed? And stuff like that... And most of all has what the "fathers" established still in existence today? The thing is that the people we call the "Founding Fathers" were not the founding fathers of the United States (or at least the United States in a cultural sense), they were the founding fathers grandsons, and great grandsons. Before the United States existed as a political Union there were the 13 British colonies and they were founded by very different people for very different reasons and created distinct cultures whose values were and are mutually exclusive. The Puritans who came to Massachusetts to found a utopian Calvinist theocracy in the American wilderness had nothing in common with with the Caribbean slave lords that founded my state of South Carolina . Different parts of the USA were settled first by different groups of people creating cultures that are more different in values than any two European states. A person from France and Germany may speak different languages and their ancestors may have been at war with each other many times but they would agree on much more politically, religiously, behaviorally, and morally with one another than someone from Vermont and someone from Mississippi would. These different cultures came together under one government after the Revolution only because they feared that if the colonies stayed separate and didn't form some kind of protective Union with each other the empires of France, Spain, and Britain would conquer them. The Union was formed then as it stays together now for purposes of self defense. Originally the Union however was created with decentralization in mind and the United States did not consider itself as a unitary nation. Each colony (now called states) were guaranteed self determination by the tenth amendment of the Constitution. If you had asked the average person before the Civil War what country they came from they would say, "Massachusetts, New York, South Carolina, Virgina, Kentucky," and so forth. Their state was their country in their mind and the idea of America as a nation had not yet formed. This changed after the Civil War when Yankee nationalism overcame Southern provincialism and Puritan New England forced its identity on the whole of the rest of the country. In any event these different cultures, these "American Nations" still exist today and American unity has always been somewhat of an illusion. Today we are seeing that American national identity formed with the ascendancy of the Yankees, (and by Yankees I mean the culture and people of those areas first settled by Puritans and the descendants of Puritans heading west across the continent, New England, Upstate New York, the Upper Midwest, and the West Coast, not all Northerners) falling apart around us. So regarding your question of what the true beginning of the USA is, I would say that the true beginning was when the English first planted a permanent colony in Virginia.
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