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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 15, 2018 1:43:09 GMT
I agree with this guy. You either accept your faith fully or else you're just an unsure agnostic about everything. Or your thoughts on his view?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 3:33:40 GMT
Totally agree. If you have doubt then you donāt have faith at all, if you arenāt 100% sure about what you believe then you donāt believe it, youāre on shifting sands, youāre sitting on the fence, blown about with the wind. Faith is black and white.
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Post by Lakupala on Aug 15, 2018 3:48:01 GMT
Isnāt it just a natural part of being religious to question your faith at times or have doubts?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 3:59:49 GMT
Isnāt it just a natural part of being religious to question your faith at times or have doubts? Matthew 21:21-22 KJV [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [22] And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Romans 14:23 KJV [23] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
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Post by fschmidt on Aug 15, 2018 8:21:30 GMT
Matthew 21:21-22 KJV [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [22] And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. DKTrav88, could you give me a demonstration? I would like to see you cast a mountain into the sea.
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Post by fschmidt on Aug 15, 2018 8:26:41 GMT
You either accept your faith fully or else you're just an unsure agnostic about everything. I disagree. Some religions require faith and some don't. Christianity and Islam require faith. The Old Testament doesn't, which is one reason why I follow it. An agnostic isn't just unsure, an agnostic is taking no position. If you believe in some religion with high probability but not certainty, then you are not an agnostic.
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Post by azimovclegane87 on Aug 15, 2018 8:40:01 GMT
I'm myself close to both Christianity and Buddhism - more or less Nestorian, in my views. I have unquestionable faith in god and living (by one or another way) after death, but i don't like religious dogmatism and formal "Church" structure. I love Spirit of religion, but don't want Formal Organisation, at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:00:39 GMT
there is a fine line between blindly following what u have been told and Faith!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:08:35 GMT
The basic foundation on which faith lies ( God exist) should remain intact but we must continue to explore into new horizons, perspectives, constantly learn and widen our wisdom that shape our faith accordingly . Ideally should not rest on to something so strongly as likely the case with people who don't hold on to cognitive dissonance will question their former beliefs. A stagnant water always rots.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 15:28:59 GMT
Matthew 21:21-22 KJV [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. [22] And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. DKTrav88, could you give me a demonstration? I would like to see you cast a mountain into the sea. What Christ said wasnāt meant to be taken literally. It was a figure of speech, a metaphor facepalm He is saying great things, great works can be done for God with real faith, and examples of this faith He is talking about are throughout the Bible and NONE of them involved literally moving mountains. Regardless, what would it benefit me, or God, to remove a literal mountain with my faith? To show that I have faith? James 2 tells us to prove our faith by our works for God, not by moving mountains. Moving mountains are not works for God, unless you are speaking metaphorically/figuratively. Christ speaking figuratively isnāt anything new or uncommon to begin with. He does it at the Last Supper(1 Corinthians 11, Luke 22, Matthew 26, John 6), He does it when He tells Peter and Andrew that He will make them become fishers of men(Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17), He does it in John 3 when telling Nicodemus that he must be born again and Nicodemus thinks he means born of his motherās womb again, He does it in John 6 when talking about true bread from the Father in heaven, He does it in John 10 when He says He is the door(unless you think Heās literally a door), He does it every time He talks about people bringing forth fruit(unless you think we are all plants and trees), etc.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 15:37:54 GMT
You either accept your faith fully or else you're just an unsure agnostic about everything. I disagree. Some religions require faith and some don't. Christianity and Islam require faith. The Old Testament doesn't, which is one reason why I follow it. An agnostic isn't just unsure, an agnostic is taking no position. If you believe in some religion with high probability but not certainty, then you are not an agnostic. Iām getting the impression that youāve never actually read through the OT. Deuteronomy 32:19-20 KJV [19] And when the Lord saw it , he abhorred them , because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. [20] And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be : for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Psalm 31:23 KJV [23] O love the Lord , all ye his saints: for the Lord preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer. Habakkuk 2:4 KJV [4] Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Faith has ALWAYS been a requirement in the Bible. And having faith is not believing in the āhigh probabilityā of something. High probability expresses low improbability which means there is doubt. Any sliver of doubt expresses unbelief.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 15:52:26 GMT
there is a fine line between blindly following what u have been told and Faith! Blind faith insinuates youāre are following something you do not fully understand, which would include uncertainty, which if any amount of uncertainty exists then faith does not exist. Faith is complete trust. You cannot have complete trust if there exists any amount of doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 17:07:57 GMT
there is a fine line between blindly following what u have been told and Faith! Blind faith insinuates youāre are following something you do not fully understand, which would include uncertainty, which if any amount of uncertainty exists then faith does not exist. Faith is complete trust. You cannot have complete trust if there exists any amount of doubt. there isn't anything such as blind faith, something you clarified later . But started off with that wording
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 15, 2018 18:49:13 GMT
Blind faith insinuates youāre are following something you do not fully understand, which would include uncertainty, which if any amount of uncertainty exists then faith does not exist. Faith is complete trust. You cannot have complete trust if there exists any amount of doubt. there isn't anything such as blind faith, something you clarified later . But started off with that wording I believe there is, but I donāt want to get into a discussion about here. And Iād like to retract my last post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 20:01:04 GMT
there isn't anything such as blind faith, something you clarified later . But started off with that wording I believe there is, but I donāt want to get into a discussion about here. And Iād like to retract my last post. Probably the wisest thing you ever said here. But seeing the thread above' you already did commit a lot of damage.
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