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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 5, 2018 22:09:51 GMT
For or against and why?
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Post by Ace on Aug 5, 2018 23:36:41 GMT
Against for the most part, but if they were on camera and there are multiple witnesses, it's obvious who did it. While in that realm, rehabilitation is economically and socially inefficient.
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Post by fschmidt on Aug 6, 2018 6:13:03 GMT
Against. Why would anyone who doesn't trust the government give it the power to kill people?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 6:18:00 GMT
I'm for people being allowed to choose the Death Penalty over Life Imprisonment if they want, but the execution must be done by firing squad. I believe that a Life in Prison can be more torturous to some than simply taking the easy way out, if we're looking at this from a moral standpoint. Also shooting them is cheaper than life imprisonment or injection.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 6, 2018 6:18:55 GMT
For, in the case of murder or rape.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 6, 2018 6:51:20 GMT
Against. Why would anyone who doesn't trust the government give it the power to kill people? Although this is an excellent point. Not saying I agree but it is a valid objection.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 6, 2018 8:01:43 GMT
I'm against it of course. Thou shall not kill is what I go by. Shrug
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 6, 2018 21:49:23 GMT
Against definitely, studies have shown that 77% of people who have been in prison in US have committed a second crime in the next 5 years of their release. The prison system just doesn't work, because it allows other prisoners to communicate and learn new ways of committing new crimes efficiently and have less chance of getting caught. The best way to "punish" a criminal is to give them rehabilitation, and not cage them like an feral animal and certainly not kill them off.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 6, 2018 22:10:10 GMT
Against definitely, studies have shown that 77% of people who have been in prison in US have committed a second crime in the next 5 years of their release. The prison system just doesn't work, because it allows other prisoners to communicate and learn new ways of committing new crimes efficiently and have less chance of getting caught. The best way to "punish" a criminal is to give them rehabilitation, and not cage them like an feral animal and certainly not kill them off. Why do they still continue the old way despite these studies, do you know?
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 6, 2018 22:14:59 GMT
Cost. The cost would be massive. If I remember correctly, there about 2.3 million prisoners in the US, they can't use that funding to help prisoners that the government just doesn't care about.
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Post by randomcj on Aug 24, 2018 8:29:02 GMT
I fully support the death penalty on all forms of murder and attempted murder. If you take somebodies life, the price should be you losing yours. I’m not opposed to the death penalty existing for smaller crimes as well. If the punishment for crime is death, crime rates will go down significantly.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Aug 26, 2018 5:02:49 GMT
I'm against it of course. Thou shall not kill is what I go by. So you take the commandment literally? The Hebrew:יב לֹא תִרְצָח translates to: Do not murder. Do you think the death penalty is murder? Or just that killing of any kind goes against the commandment? As for the original question, I am for the death penalty. Obviously there are people that deserve the death penalty, but the question then becomes: Do we really want to give the state that power? I think it is very simple on the surface, but the devil is in the details.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 26, 2018 5:13:32 GMT
I'm against it of course. Thou shall not kill is what I go by. So you take the commandment literally? The Hebrew:יב לֹא תִרְצָח translates to: Do not murder. Do you think the death penalty is murder? Or just that killing of any kind goes against the commandment? As for the original question, I am for the death penalty. Obviously there are people that deserve the death penalty, but the question then becomes: Do we really want to give the state that power? I think it is very simple on the surface, but the devil is in the details. Yes, I take it literally as did Jesus. Example. A woman in New Testament was given the dealth penalty and was about to be stoned to death. But Jesus saw this and interfered. He did not let them give her the death penalty.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 26, 2018 6:03:13 GMT
So you take the commandment literally? The Hebrew:יב לֹא תִרְצָח translates to: Do not murder. Do you think the death penalty is murder? Or just that killing of any kind goes against the commandment? As for the original question, I am for the death penalty. Obviously there are people that deserve the death penalty, but the question then becomes: Do we really want to give the state that power? I think it is very simple on the surface, but the devil is in the details. Yes, I take it literally as did Jesus. Example. A woman in New Testament was given the dealth penalty and was about to be stoned to death. But Jesus saw this and interfered. He did not let them give her the death penalty. That was an instance of Jesus being merciful to someone who deserved to die under Jewish law which indecently was created by God himself. You use the term that shalt not kill as your reasoning but as stated earlier thou shalt not murder is what the original Hebrew says. We also know that this is the case because God in the Old Testament (in which the ten commandments were written) in his law commanded the death penalty for many crimes, the aformentioned adultery being one of them. He also commanded his children to slaughter whole tribes for their sin. Also in the New Testament the Apostle Paul explicitly endorses the death penalty. Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV) 13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
God gives governments the power of the sword, that is the power to kill people, to execute wrath on those who do evil.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 26, 2018 6:08:01 GMT
Yes, I take it literally as did Jesus. Example. A woman in New Testament was given the dealth penalty and was about to be stoned to death. But Jesus saw this and interfered. He did not let them give her the death penalty. That was an instance of Jesus being merciful to someone who deserved to die under Jewish law which indecently was created by God himself. You use the term that shalt not kill as your reasoning but as stated earlier thou shalt not murder is what the original Hebrew says. We also know that this is the case because God in the Old Testament (in which the ten commandments were written) in his law commanded the death penalty for many crimes, the aformentioned adultery being one of them. He also commanded his children to slaughter whole tribes for their sin. Also in the New Testament the Apostle Paul explicitly endorses the death penalty. Romans 13:1-7 King James Version (KJV) 13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
God gives governments the power of the sword, that is the power to kill people, to execute wrath on those who do evil. But you have monarchy’s like Saudi Arabia who will cut your head off for preaching the gospel. Surely you wouldn’t say God gave them the power to execute wrath on those who preach gospel for doing ‘evil’.
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