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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 31, 2018 7:31:50 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 1, 2018 7:40:12 GMT
Ok, finally an answer. So whats the difference morally between shagging your sister and shagging someone of the same gender? If the argument for homosexuality is that two consenting adults in love should be allowed to do whatever they want without judgement; how is that any different than a brother and sister who are 20 years old who are in love and sexually active with one another? So with this message you've assumed my argument for homosexuality being moral. Sister shagging leads to disfigured, mentally handicapped, physically handicapped children, homosexuality does not. I am against homosexuals adopting children most of the time though. Ah, the trite disfigured children argument. It amazes me when people make this argument because we have this thing called BIRTH CONTROL that makes it easy not to have children. Heck, we have this other thing called a VASECTOMY that makes it impossible. So in the modern world children are not an issue. So if a brother and sister love each other and have sex with each other and don't have children through these means, what is the difference between this and homosexuality?
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 7:41:42 GMT
So with this message you've assumed my argument for homosexuality being moral. Sister shagging leads to disfigured, mentally handicapped, physically handicapped children, homosexuality does not. I am against homosexuals adopting children most of the time though. Ah, the trite disfigured children argument. It amazes me when people make this argument because we have this thing called BIRTH CONTROL that makes it easy not to have children. Heck, we have this other thing called a VASECTOMY that makes it impossible. So in the modern world children are not an issue. So if a brother and sister love each other and have sex with each other and don't have children through these means, what is the difference between this and homosexuality. You need to abort your disfigured child, a being that you chose to have and chose to kill to justify the act of fucking your family member. Homosexuality, on the other hand, does not need any of that to justify itself, it's love, not some family fuckery.
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 1, 2018 7:43:47 GMT
I’ve talked to people who have. It’s a choice Sorry but that's just absolutely gold. You can't "stop" being gay. Why not? I can stop being straight whenever I want. How am I different from gays?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 1, 2018 7:44:10 GMT
Ah, the trite disfigured children argument. It amazes me when people make this argument because we have this thing called BIRTH CONTROL that makes it easy not to have children. Heck, we have this other thing called a VASECTOMY that makes it impossible. So in the modern world children are not an issue. So if a brother and sister love each other and have sex with each other and don't have children through these means, what is the difference between this and homosexuality. You need to abort your disfigured child, a being that you chose to have and chose to kill to justify the act of fucking your family member. Homosexuality, on the other hand, does not need any of that to justify itself, it's love, not some family fuckery. No genius; a vasectomy is an operation they give to males that makes it impossible for them to impregnate a female. There is a similar operation for females that makes it impossible to get pregnant. There is no killing involved.
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 7:49:58 GMT
You need to abort your disfigured child, a being that you chose to have and chose to kill to justify the act of fucking your family member. Homosexuality, on the other hand, does not need any of that to justify itself, it's love, not some family fuckery. No genius; a vasectomy is an operation they give to males that makes it impossible for them to impregnate a female. There is a similar operation for females that makes it impossible to get pregnant. There is no killing involved. I was talking about abortion . Regardless, that's fine in my eyes, you can fuck your sister (just don't have children) it's just disgusting. Same with homosexuality in my eyes, it's disgusting, but you can do it, I don't find it to be something that shouldn't even be put on the TV, unlike someone like you who is way too extreme and backwards believe.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 1, 2018 7:59:04 GMT
No genius; a vasectomy is an operation they give to males that makes it impossible for them to impregnate a female. There is a similar operation for females that makes it impossible to get pregnant. There is no killing involved. I was talking about abortion . Regardless, that's fine in my eyes, you can fuck your sister (just don't have children) it's just disgusting. Same with homosexuality in my eyes, it's disgusting, but you can do it, I don't find it to be something that shouldn't even be put on the TV, unlike someone like you who is way too extreme and backwards believe. Couldn't find a clapping emoji so I used this one. You are consistent in your opinion and that is a fact I greatly respect and applaud. However can you understand why people like me would not want to take it so far? Some things should remain taboo and do remain taboo even in your eyes. As you said you find both acts disgusting. Now I am in agreement with you homosexuality and incest (provided one gets an operation first) should be legal as I don't want to put people in jail for who they have sex with. However I also think that such things should remain a taboo and shouldn't be flaunted as great on children's television or movies or anything. It should be done in a back room somewhere away from the public eye. As for putting it on TV, it shouldn't be in our children's shows (especially one like Steven Universe) anymore than graphic violence, gratuitous sexuality, incest, or any other type of thing. Its like putting two people having sex full nudity and all on the CARE BEARS. Leave our children out of this. If that makes me extreme and backwards then I'll wear that flag proudly.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 1, 2018 8:10:57 GMT
Uhhh, so you've met the same people I did? And on top of that you've met all the people who stopped being gay by choice and you've decided that they're liars? You need to now prove there is a gay gene and that one who is gay is born gay. Go ahead while we all watch. So, let's start with the ridiculous people you've met lmao. First of all, they probably just found out their real sexuality or they are still attracted to the same sex. Just because people say something doesn't make it true, there are millions of closet gays as well so you also can't trust the actions sometimes. Now, onto being born gay, I will give it to you that you can doubt if people are born this way, but you cannot 100% refuse or 100% agree to it. It is a subject of research. But however most scientists do agree on how it is a combination of hormonal, genetic and social factors. Now I can give out the physiological differences, the hypotheses etc. but that'd be a waste of time and completely derailing the real topic, if you do however care you can look at the wikipedia page on it that links many sources on it. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation ) Now, let me see you try to prove your friends DID indeed change orientations (which you cannot prove) and also prove to me that it is not about genetics at all. (which again, you cannot) "I will give it to you that you can doubt if people are born this way, but you cannot 100% refuse or 100% agree to it. It is a subject of research. But however most scientists do agree on how it is a combination of hormonal, genetic and social factors." The hormonal factors are theoretical. The wikipedia page states " orientation cannot be attributed solely to genetic factors", so it is much much more likely, and this is what we are arguing here, that someone being homosexual is mostly based on social factors which then makes it 100% a choice as there are no biological factors to consider.
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 8:29:36 GMT
So, let's start with the ridiculous people you've met lmao. First of all, they probably just found out their real sexuality or they are still attracted to the same sex. Just because people say something doesn't make it true, there are millions of closet gays as well so you also can't trust the actions sometimes. Now, onto being born gay, I will give it to you that you can doubt if people are born this way, but you cannot 100% refuse or 100% agree to it. It is a subject of research. But however most scientists do agree on how it is a combination of hormonal, genetic and social factors. Now I can give out the physiological differences, the hypotheses etc. but that'd be a waste of time and completely derailing the real topic, if you do however care you can look at the wikipedia page on it that links many sources on it. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation ) Now, let me see you try to prove your friends DID indeed change orientations (which you cannot prove) and also prove to me that it is not about genetics at all. (which again, you cannot) "I will give it to you that you can doubt if people are born this way, but you cannot 100% refuse or 100% agree to it. It is a subject of research. But however most scientists do agree on how it is a combination of hormonal, genetic and social factors." The hormonal factors are theoretical. The wikipedia page states " orientation cannot be attributed solely to genetic factors", so it is much much more likely, and this is what we are arguing here, that someone being homosexual is mostly based on social factors which then makes it 100% a choice as there are no biological factors to consider. "mostly based on social factors" =/= "it is 100% based on social factors" Have you even read the wikipedia page , it doesn't say there are no biological factors to consider. People changing sexualities is just not something you can prove.
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 8:32:37 GMT
I was talking about abortion . Regardless, that's fine in my eyes, you can fuck your sister (just don't have children) it's just disgusting. Same with homosexuality in my eyes, it's disgusting, but you can do it, I don't find it to be something that shouldn't even be put on the TV, unlike someone like you who is way too extreme and backwards believe. Couldn't find a clapping emoji so I used this one. You are consistent in your opinion and that is a fact I greatly respect and applaud. However can you understand why people like me would not want to take it so far? Some things should remain taboo and do remain taboo even in your eyes. As you said you find both acts disgusting. Now I am in agreement with you homosexuality and incest (provided one gets an operation first) should be legal as I don't want to put people in jail for who they have sex with. However I also think that such things should remain a taboo and shouldn't be flaunted as great on children's television or movies or anything. It should be done in a back room somewhere away from the public eye. As for putting it on TV, it shouldn't be in our children's shows (especially one like Steven Universe) anymore than graphic violence, gratuitous sexuality, incest, or any other type of thing. Its like putting two people having sex full nudity and all on the CARE BEARS. Leave our children out of this. If that makes me extreme and backwards then I'll wear that flag proudly. I can understand why you wouldn't want to see it, but again, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I also understand the concern for our children.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 1, 2018 9:20:39 GMT
"I will give it to you that you can doubt if people are born this way, but you cannot 100% refuse or 100% agree to it. It is a subject of research. But however most scientists do agree on how it is a combination of hormonal, genetic and social factors." The hormonal factors are theoretical. The wikipedia page states " orientation cannot be attributed solely to genetic factors", so it is much much more likely, and this is what we are arguing here, that someone being homosexual is mostly based on social factors which then makes it 100% a choice as there are no biological factors to consider. "mostly based on social factors" =/= "it is 100% based on social factors" Have you even read the wikipedia page , it doesn't say there are no biological factors to consider. People changing sexualities is just not something you can prove. You're ignoring my link, but whatever I didn't expect you to read it anyway.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Aug 1, 2018 9:22:40 GMT
Fact is it's a choice.
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 9:51:51 GMT
Whatever rows your boat mate.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Aug 1, 2018 10:34:27 GMT
Who justifies homosexuality here? Take the rainbow flag in hand and forward to the parade to his brothers!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 14:38:18 GMT
Homosexuality isn't normal. There is a reason that there aren't many homosexuals. Because it comes from one of two things. 1. Mental Illness (there is a strong correlation between mental illness and deviancy.) or 2. Choice. Homosexuality does nothing for society but degenerate moral and societal norms. You're born a homosexual, it doesn't just "come" to you. Except the times where you may be confused sexually for example if you've been molested by your uncle etc. This conversation isn't about "br0 they degenerate br0", there are SOOOO many factors as to why homosexuals in the past hasn't achieved something major, for example society being filled with people like you (back in the day, nowadays it's better) excluding them and making them feel isolated from society. So what we gather from this is: 1. stop being afraid of the gays and stop trying to act as if the show will change your kids or whatever. 2. stop being a degenerate (ironically) All of what you just said has not answered anything that I've asked. Why would you not want them in shows? Unless you are indeed scared the big gay will steal your child away from you. The reasons for why I don't support homosexuality go as follows, 1. Homosexuality does nothing for society. Homosexuals can't have kids, so they don't have any impact on the future. When they adopt kids, these kids are way more likely to be abused and become obese as a result of this treatment. It's not natural to have two "dads" or two "moms." Not having a stable, normal family (i.e one father and one mother) fucks these kids up. 2. Homosexuals are filled to the brim with STDs and STIs. They have the most out of any group in the nation, they are 2% to 3% of the US population, yet they comprise 55% of HIV carriers, 82% of syphilis cases, 20% of HBV cases, 37% of anal cancer, and lastly 78% of homosexuals have an STD. (all of the stats can be found on the CDC website, I believe) 3. Homosexual often have mental illnesses. A lot of these homos have some sort of mental illness, ranging from depression to schizophrenia to gender dysmorphia, upward of 50% to 60% of these people have been abused or mistreated when they were kids. In a personal cases dealing with my cousin, he was mistreated by his mother and step-mother, he didn't get the attention he needed, so, that drove him to act more... flamboyant to get one of them to pay attention to him. He eventually married a woman that took for a ride, he divorced her, and he is married to another homo. He was diagnosed with depression and ASPD or Anti-Social Personality Disorder. So, no, I don't wouldn't want to my kids to watch this degeneracy. There is a reason that all civilizations in the World up to today have surpressed homosexuality, because it isn't natural or normal to be a homosexual and it doesn't benefit society.
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Post by Siluk on Aug 1, 2018 14:52:57 GMT
You're born a homosexual, it doesn't just "come" to you. Except the times where you may be confused sexually for example if you've been molested by your uncle etc. This conversation isn't about "br0 they degenerate br0", there are SOOOO many factors as to why homosexuals in the past hasn't achieved something major, for example society being filled with people like you (back in the day, nowadays it's better) excluding them and making them feel isolated from society. So what we gather from this is: 1. stop being afraid of the gays and stop trying to act as if the show will change your kids or whatever. 2. stop being a degenerate (ironically) All of what you just said has not answered anything that I've asked. Why would you not want them in shows? Unless you are indeed scared the big gay will steal your child away from you. The reasons for why I don't support homosexuality go as follows, 1. Homosexuality does nothing for society. Homosexuals can't have kids, so they don't have any impact on the future. When they adopt kids, these kids are way more likely to be abused and become obese as a result of this treatment. It's not natural to have two "dads" or two "moms." Not having a stable, normal family (i.e one father and one mother) fucks these kids up. 2. Homosexuals are filled to the brim with STDs and STIs. They have the most out of any group in the nation, they are 2% to 3% of the US population, yet they comprise 55% of HIV carriers, 82% of syphilis cases, 20% of HBV cases, 37% of anal cancer, and lastly 78% of homosexuals have an STD. (all of the stats can be found on the CDC website, I believe) 3. Homosexual often have mental illnesses. A lot of these homos have some sort of mental illness, ranging from depression to schizophrenia to gender dysmorphia, upward of 50% to 60% of these people have been abused or mistreated when they were kids. In a personal cases dealing with my cousin, he was mistreated by his mother and step-mother, he didn't get the attention he needed, so, that drove him to act more... flamboyant to get one of them to pay attention to him. He eventually married a woman that took for a ride, he divorced her, and he is married to another homo. He was diagnosed with depression and ASPD or Anti-Social Personality Disorder. So, no, I don't wouldn't want to my kids to watch this degeneracy. There is a reason that all civilizations in the World up to today have surpressed homosexuality, because it isn't natural or normal to be a homosexual and it doesn't benefit society. I agree with almost every point. Yet this legit has no fucking impact on a 5 year old watching 2 lesbians marrying on a kid's show about fantasy and supernatural shit. In the end, you won't agree with me, I won't agree with you, this subject just depends on the person and we can't do anything about it right now.
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