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Doubt
Jul 26, 2018 0:32:01 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jul 26, 2018 0:32:01 GMT
Is this what agnostics think? Because my God personally isn't offended. He's just waiting for great things to come
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Doubt
Jul 28, 2018 9:31:00 GMT
Post by fschmidt on Jul 28, 2018 9:31:00 GMT
How can you say that when every single time God's people lost trust in and doubted Him, He turned away from and punished them? We are given example after example of this in the OT. It isn't binary. It isn't a choice between trust and doubt. One can trust but still have some doubt. What I object to is uncompromising extremism, like a demand for no doubt at all, which is what Quran 2:2 says. But I also recognize that simple-minded people don't like nuance, so extremes work best for them, which is why the Quran is as it is.
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Doubt
Jul 28, 2018 10:17:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 10:17:03 GMT
How can you say that when every single time God's people lost trust in and doubted Him, He turned away from and punished them? We are given example after example of this in the OT. It isn't binary. It isn't a choice between trust and doubt. One can trust but still have some doubt. What I object to is uncompromising extremism, like a demand for no doubt at all, which is what Quran 2:2 says. But I also recognize that simple-minded people don't like nuance, so extremes work best for them, which is why the Quran is as it is. NOtt suree if that makes sense . when u trust that is only in the case of having no doubts
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 28, 2018 16:46:10 GMT
How can you say that when every single time God's people lost trust in and doubted Him, He turned away from and punished them? We are given example after example of this in the OT. It isn't binary. It isn't a choice between trust and doubt. One can trust but still have some doubt. What I object to is uncompromising extremism, like a demand for no doubt at all, which is what Quran 2:2 says. But I also recognize that simple-minded people don't like nuance, so extremes work best for them, which is why the Quran is as it is. “It isn't binary. It isn't a choice between trust and doubt. One can trust but still have some doubt.” Yes, someone can sit in between trust and doubt, but that puts them on the fence, hence it isn’t a true trust, a true faith. If it isn’t binary then you can’t count that trust/faith has having any actual value whatsoever, its value is 0. You can’t even count the doubt as having any value in that instance. Doubt and trust must be binary. James 1:6-8 KJV [6] But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. [7] For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. [8] A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. The very first instance of doubt in the Bible was in Genesis 3 when Satan tempted Eve in where he introduced doubt into Eve’s mind by questioning what God commanded of her and Adam even after she directly stated what God commanded of her and Adam. Satan did it twice; he said “Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” and again after Eve repeated what God commanded of her; “God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” and Satan says “Ye shall not surely die”. See then how this doubt caused sin to enter into the world and death to reign? Doubt is a destroyer of life according to God’s word.
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