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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 13, 2018 15:25:35 GMT
"What is the Orthodox Church? The Orthodox Church is a body or community of people, who, 1—correctly believe in divine revelation; and 2—who obey a lawful hierarchy instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, through the holy apostles. In order to belong to the Orthodox Church two principal conditions are required: First—to accurately accept, rightly understand and truthfully confess the divine teaching of faith; and secondly— to acknowledge the lawful hierarchy or priesthood, to receive from it the holy mysteries or sacraments, and generally to follow its precepts in matters concerning salvation."
+ St. Sebastian Dabovich
This sums up my view quite nicely.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 13, 2018 16:05:03 GMT
"What is the Orthodox Church? The Orthodox Church is a body or community of people, who, 1—correctly believe in divine revelation; and 2—who obey a lawful hierarchy instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, through the holy apostles. In order to belong to the Orthodox Church two principal conditions are required: First—to accurately accept, rightly understand and truthfully confess the divine teaching of faith; and secondly— to acknowledge the lawful hierarchy or priesthood, to receive from it the holy mysteries or sacraments, and generally to follow its precepts in matters concerning salvation." + St. Sebastian Dabovich This sums up my view quite nicely. Yes..Where there is no legal hierarchy there is no Church! Ephesians 4:11-16 |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 13, 2018 17:16:17 GMT
"What is the Orthodox Church? The Orthodox Church is a body or community of people, who, 1—correctly believe in divine revelation; and 2—who obey a lawful hierarchy instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, through the holy apostles. In order to belong to the Orthodox Church two principal conditions are required: First—to accurately accept, rightly understand and truthfully confess the divine teaching of faith; and secondly— to acknowledge the lawful hierarchy or priesthood, to receive from it the holy mysteries or sacraments, and generally to follow its precepts in matters concerning salvation." + St. Sebastian Dabovich This sums up my view quite nicely. Thank you. It’s nice to see we have orthodox members who are able to share with us what they believe without having personal vendettas against other members of the forum for what they believe 😊 |
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hermitcrab
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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 13, 2018 17:48:44 GMT
"What is the Orthodox Church? The Orthodox Church is a body or community of people, who, 1—correctly believe in divine revelation; and 2—who obey a lawful hierarchy instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, through the holy apostles. In order to belong to the Orthodox Church two principal conditions are required: First—to accurately accept, rightly understand and truthfully confess the divine teaching of faith; and secondly— to acknowledge the lawful hierarchy or priesthood, to receive from it the holy mysteries or sacraments, and generally to follow its precepts in matters concerning salvation." + St. Sebastian Dabovich This sums up my view quite nicely. Thank you. It’s nice to see we have orthodox members who are able to share with us what they believe without having personal vendettas against other members of the forum for what they believe 😊 The point Diamond is trying to make is that Orthodoxy is continuous. For the couple millennia that is has existed now, the teaching remains fundamentally the same. An Orthodox Christian of the 17th century believed the same as an Orthodox Christian of the 10th, 9th, 3rd centuries etc. Unlike the Roman Catholics or other sects who have systematically changed their positions on various critical areas throughout their history, even before the horrid mess that is V2 for example. That is not consistent. Orthodox Christians however, are members of the Divine Institution that is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as confirmed in the Nicene Creed, and instituted by Christ himself at Pentecost, 33AD. The Truth does not change. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 13, 2018 17:59:16 GMT
Thank you. It’s nice to see we have orthodox members who are able to share with us what they believe without having personal vendettas against other members of the forum for what they believe 😊 The point Diamond is trying to make is that Orthodoxy is continuous. For the couple millennia that is has existed now, the teaching remains fundamentally the same. An Orthodox Christian of the 17th century believed the same as an Orthodox Christian of the 10th, 9th, 3rd centuries etc. Unlike the Roman Catholics or other sects who have systematically changed their positions on various critical areas throughout their history, even before the horrid mess that is V2 for example. That is not consistent. Orthodox Christians however, are members of the Divine Institution that is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as confirmed in the Nicene Creed, and instituted by Christ himself at Pentecost, 33AD. The Truth does not change. My question would then be, When hasn’t scripture been the authority by which a church is to abide by if Christ is the Word of God? My goal here wasn’t to attack the Orthodox Church, but any church that is contrary to what the Bible says. If diamond feels like the Orthodox Church is being attacked then perhaps he should rethink what he believes, because if the Orthodox Church were a scriptural church, he wouldn’t have to worry about what scripture says about the church because his church is scriptural, but this doesn’t seem to be the case. He feels like he needs to defend the Orthodox Church from scripture. After all, scripture is all that I shared in the OP |
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hermitcrab
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Post by hermitcrab on Jul 13, 2018 18:05:22 GMT
The point Diamond is trying to make is that Orthodoxy is continuous. For the couple millennia that is has existed now, the teaching remains fundamentally the same. An Orthodox Christian of the 17th century believed the same as an Orthodox Christian of the 10th, 9th, 3rd centuries etc. Unlike the Roman Catholics or other sects who have systematically changed their positions on various critical areas throughout their history, even before the horrid mess that is V2 for example. That is not consistent. Orthodox Christians however, are members of the Divine Institution that is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as confirmed in the Nicene Creed, and instituted by Christ himself at Pentecost, 33AD. The Truth does not change. My question would then be, When hasn’t scripture been the authority by which a church is to abide by if Christ is the Word of God? My goal here wasn’t to attack the Orthodox Church, but any church that is contrary to what the Bible says. If diamond feels like the Orthodox Church is being attacked then perhaps he should rethink what he believes, because if the Orthodox Church were a scriptural church, he wouldn’t have to worry about what scripture says about the church because his church is scriptural, but this doesn’t seem to be the case. He feels like he needs to defend the Orthodox Church from scripture. After all, scripture is all that I shared in the OP The Orthodox Church is SUPPORTED by Scripture in my view, if you could shoot any concerns you may have concerning the validity of this I'd be happy to respond. Orthodox itself means "correct belief" after all. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 13, 2018 18:08:45 GMT
My question would then be, When hasn’t scripture been the authority by which a church is to abide by if Christ is the Word of God? My goal here wasn’t to attack the Orthodox Church, but any church that is contrary to what the Bible says. If diamond feels like the Orthodox Church is being attacked then perhaps he should rethink what he believes, because if the Orthodox Church were a scriptural church, he wouldn’t have to worry about what scripture says about the church because his church is scriptural, but this doesn’t seem to be the case. He feels like he needs to defend the Orthodox Church from scripture. After all, scripture is all that I shared in the OP The Orthodox Church is SUPPORTED by Scripture in my view, if you could shoot any concerns you may have concerning the validity of this I'd be happy to respond. Orthodox itself means "correct belief" after all. Not in this thread. Another thread can be started for concerns about the validity of the Orthodox Church. This thread was to show what the Bible says the church is, that is all it was for. If there are disagreements with what the Bible says the church then by all means, let anyone who disagrees share their opinion and discuss it. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 13, 2018 18:28:29 GMT
The point Diamond is trying to make is that Orthodoxy is continuous. For the couple millennia that is has existed now, the teaching remains fundamentally the same. An Orthodox Christian of the 17th century believed the same as an Orthodox Christian of the 10th, 9th, 3rd centuries etc. Unlike the Roman Catholics or other sects who have systematically changed their positions on various critical areas throughout their history, even before the horrid mess that is V2 for example. That is not consistent. Orthodox Christians however, are members of the Divine Institution that is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as confirmed in the Nicene Creed, and instituted by Christ himself at Pentecost, 33AD. The Truth does not change. My question would then be, When hasn’t scripture been the authority by which a church is to abide by if Christ is the Word of God? My goal here wasn’t to attack the Orthodox Church, but any church that is contrary to what the Bible says. If diamond feels like the Orthodox Church is being attacked then perhaps he should rethink what he believes, because if the Orthodox Church were a scriptural church, he wouldn’t have to worry about what scripture says about the church because his church is scriptural, but this doesn’t seem to be the case. He feels like he needs to defend the Orthodox Church from scripture. After all, scripture is all that I shared in the OP I already told you that everything in the Orthodox Church is according to the Bible .. everything has its own explanations .. the truth is that you do not intend to understand this... and are engaged in vanity. Vanity is seduction .. I'm not saying that I'm perfect and clean but do not start showing that only I understand everything. |
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