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Post by technoworld on Jul 7, 2018 6:59:47 GMT
why is it popular
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 9, 2018 3:29:11 GMT
Communism is popular because it appeals to a six year old's dream of a Utopia where there's no government, no money, nobody is better than anyone else (no classes), and everybody owns everything together, everyone gets everything for free, and everybody gets along and helps one another and is one big happy family. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way, people are evil, stupid, selfish, lazy, and cruel and most people who grow up come to understand that a six year old's fantasy cannot practically be applied in reality for these reasons. Those who don't grow up and realize it because they are stupid are communists. Every time communism has been tried in our world it has devolved into a horrific totalitarian state with millions dead. But some people never learn  . |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 9, 2018 4:00:35 GMT
Communism is popular because it appeals to a six year old's dream of a Utopia where there's no government, no money, nobody is better than anyone else (no classes), and everybody owns everything together, everyone gets everything for free, and everybody gets along and helps one another and is one big happy family. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way, people are evil, stupid, selfish, lazy, and cruel and most people who grow up come to understand that a six year old's fantasy cannot practically be applied in reality for these reasons. Those who don't grow up and realize it because they are stupid are communists. Every time communism has been tried in our world it has devolved into a horrific totalitarian state with millions dead. But some people never learn . This, and our schools/universities harp on it. All these kids coming out of college are indoctrinated into this new age way of thinking that just isn’t realistic at all. |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 9, 2018 4:19:57 GMT
Communism is popular because it appeals to a six year old's dream of a Utopia where there's no government, no money, nobody is better than anyone else (no classes), and everybody owns everything together, everyone gets everything for free, and everybody gets along and helps one another and is one big happy family. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way, people are evil, stupid, selfish, lazy, and cruel and most people who grow up come to understand that a six year old's fantasy cannot practically be applied in reality for these reasons. Those who don't grow up and realize it because they are stupid are communists. Every time communism has been tried in our world it has devolved into a horrific totalitarian state with millions dead. But some people never learn . This, and our schools/universities harp on it. All these kids coming out of college are indoctrinated into this new age way of thinking that just isn’t realistic at all. Yeah, even in grade school you get fed this crap. The teacher's taught in elementary, middle, and high school that communism was a good idea that had never actually been tried in any country and that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. were not true communists. This being a school district in the conservative deep south mind you. That whole, its never been tried as written in the communist manifesto thing, is for the birds though. While technically true that has to do with the fact that a classless, money less, stateless society where all property and the means of production is held in common is unworkable in an advanced industrial society. What always happens is that this system has to be imposed upon a population from above and they have forget the whole "no state" part. |
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jul 9, 2018 4:31:10 GMT
There has always been part of the population that swings to the radical left, just as there has always been part of population that swings to the radical right. Both socially and economically. Political leaning has a lot to do with personality and a person's underlying philosophical predisposition.
Many years ago Communists infiltrated the public and higher education systems in this country and have developed curriculum to brainwash the youth. You have moldable minds, many of whom are idealistic, poor, ridden with debt, and entitled and this is a recipe to create Socialists and Communists.
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Post by blueroad on Jul 9, 2018 6:22:42 GMT
There has always been part of the population that swings to the radical left, just as there has always been part of population that swings to the radical right. Both socially and economically. Political leaning has a lot to do with personality and a person's underlying philosophical predisposition. Many years ago Communists infiltrated the public and higher education systems in this country and have developed curriculum to brainwash the youth. You have moldable minds, many of whom are idealistic, poor, ridden with debt, and entitled and this is a recipe to create Socialists and Communists. You hit that nail right on the head. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 9, 2018 12:05:25 GMT
Although I am a strong critic of communism, I admit that there is no ideal political system..capitalism is the same rotten system that oppresses its people.. however, this can be understood from the comments of some people here from capitalist countries here!
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Post by jonbain on Jul 9, 2018 14:53:40 GMT
Because it is seen as a quick-fix to corruption.
After all, its better to be unfairly treated as equal,
than to unfairly be treated as inferior.
Communism is still the best mechanism for dealing
with fascism; as ww2 clearly proved.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 10, 2018 4:08:40 GMT
Although I am a strong critic of communism, I admit that there is no ideal political system..capitalism is the same rotten system that oppresses its people.. however, this can be understood from the comments of some people here from capitalist countries here! Yeah, but if you look at all of the first world developed countries, that is, the successful ones, they all practice some form of capitalism. Every communist society that has ever existed has become a totalitarian, poverty stricken, hellhole. Capitalism, you'd have to at least grant, is better than communism based on the empirical results right? Also, I'd be curious to know, what is your alternative to capitalism and communism? Which system would you propose replace them? |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 10, 2018 14:53:12 GMT
Although I am a strong critic of communism, I admit that there is no ideal political system..capitalism is the same rotten system that oppresses its people.. however, this can be understood from the comments of some people here from capitalist countries here! Yeah, but if you look at all of the first world developed countries, that is, the successful ones, they all practice some form of capitalism. Every communist society that has ever existed has become a totalitarian, poverty stricken, hellhole. Capitalism, you'd have to at least grant, is better than communism based on the empirical results right? Also, I'd be curious to know, what is your alternative to capitalism and communism? Which system would you propose replace them? China has a good system.. I think a good option is a constitutional monarchy with a multi-party Parliament. |
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Post by blueroad on Jul 11, 2018 10:58:28 GMT
Because it is seen as a quick-fix to corruption. After all, its better to be unfairly treated as equal, than to unfairly be treated as inferior. Communism is still the best mechanism for dealing with fascism; as ww2 clearly proved. This is a pretty odd take on the history of WW2. Considering that even Marxist intellectuals(Bettelheim, Goldfield, etc.) are unable to agree on what the USSR was as far as Socialist, Post-Capitalist, State Capitalist, etc., I think its reaching to attribute the victory to Communism. There are four primary theories as to what the SSR was - Socialist, transition to Socialist, Post-Capitalist, State-Capitalist. We can take it a step further and look at equipment losses and lend-lease. I am in no way attacking Communism/Socialism with this reply, and I do not intend to start an argument about Communism in and of itself, I am merely contesting this "Communism is still the best mechanism for dealing with fascism" It is pretty clear that the SSR received quite a substantial amount of aid from the Western Allies which heavily influenced the defensive war effort If you see anything that needs to be corrected I am looking forward to your reply. Quotes taken from ( Denis Havlat (2017) Western Aid for the Soviet Union During World War II: Part I, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies, 30:2, 290-320, DOI: 10.1080/13518046.2017.1307058) |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 12, 2018 13:02:41 GMT
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Jul 12, 2018 20:49:04 GMT
I think it is popular because people believe life is easier with communism. Everything will be "free", because everything is socialized. Free healthcare and college are usually the first. Were especially weak to those here in America because healthcare and college are disasters right now. The idea that you could get things for free, where you normally couldn't gets people interested. Most people refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of socialism/communism; Everything ISN'T free, people AREN'T interested in working for other people for nothing, and to maintain a socialist/communist state, almost complete control, and heinous human rights violations will occur, it wouldn't work without that. Another thing people tend to ignore is the history of communism/socialism. (I'm just going to say communism because they are at the end of the day the same thing) Communism has never built a country, only destroyed countries. There are many examples of this; Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela,... the list goes on. I can talk about this all day, but there is a reason it has always failed, and always WILL fail; Human nature. For communism to work, you have to think that people are BORN GOOD and have naturally caring, giving tendencies, the fact of the matter is, people are not born good; People are born with selfish, and greedy tendencies. Sorry for the essay answer  |
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Post by blueroad on Jul 12, 2018 21:05:40 GMT
I think it is popular because people believe life is easier with communism. Everything will be "free", because everything is socialized. Free healthcare and college are usually the first. Were especially weak to those here in America because healthcare and college are disasters right now. The idea that you could get things for free, where you normally couldn't gets people interested. Most people refuse to acknowledge the REALITY of socialism/communism; Everything ISN'T free, people AREN'T interested in working for other people for nothing, and to maintain a socialist/communist state, almost complete control, and heinous human rights violations will occur, it wouldn't work without that. Another thing people tend to ignore is the history of communism/socialism. (I'm just going to say communism because they are at the end of the day the same thing) Communism has never built a country, only destroyed countries. There are many examples of this; Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela,... the list goes on. I can talk about this all day, but there is a reason it has always failed, and always WILL fail; Human nature. For communism to work, you have to think that people are BORN GOOD and have naturally caring, giving tendencies, the fact of the matter is, people are not born good; People are born with selfish, and greedy tendencies. Sorry for the essay answer "Everything ISN'T free" You're right, nothing is free in a Communist society. There is a collective "pot", and anybody who contributes to this "pot", can take from the "pot", whatever they may need. Once Post-Scarcity is achieved through automation this kind of society is very achievable. |
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