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Post by fschmidt on Jun 29, 2018 7:36:55 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 30, 2018 19:47:42 GMT
My first response was removed for whatever reason. Guess I have to keep it short so I don’t upset certain admins I was trying to ask you how you explain the “us”, “us, “our”, and “our” in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 3:22. What does God mean by “us ”, “us, “o Yahwehur”, and “our”? Doesn’t this support the Trinity? Gentlemen: According to the OT, there is no such a thing as ONE God. Genesis-1 speaks of the Elohim (the supreme gods) and clearly says: Let's make Man in OUR image [like US], one male and one female. On the contrary, Genesis-2 speaks of ONE God, presented by Moses as the one god who is jealous and does not tolerate the worshipping of other gods (mentioned here and there in the Bible): Yahweh. The adoption of only one god, or the belief in only one god, he called Henotheism, whereas Monotheism is the belief that there exists only one god. Authentic (Orthodox) Christianity is monotheistic, but it is complicated by the fact that this one God is three persons [the Father or Creator or Yahweh or else the El of the Elohim], the Word [Logos, who became incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth [the Son], and the Holy Spirit or Paraclete [the Breath of the Father which made the Adam statue alive, etc.] The concept of one divine substance differentiated into three persons or individuals, is the Christian theological problem for which there is no solution. Anyway, this Trinity does not include El or Allah. So, Christianity and Islam are contradictory: both cannot be true; possibly neither one is true. Furthermore "Islam" is Submission to the will of Allah or, in practical terms, to the theology of the priesthood, whereas Christians are expected to be saved by the Christ..... a subject of endless discussions, since baptized people do not escape the "wages of sin", namely suffering and death..... For a Christian or for a Jew to convert to Islam is literally insane, irrational. What you said doesn’t make sense, but okay
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 21:10:29 GMT
Why don’t you believe in the legitimacy of the NT? There is a lot in the Quran that I can't judge to be true or false. But in the NT, I cannot believe that Jesus was God. This violates my concept of the oneness of God. And I think people are generally horrible creatures and the idea that God would take such a revolting form doesn't appeal to me. uploading pictures
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 1, 2018 3:54:17 GMT
There is a lot in the Quran that I can't judge to be true or false. But in the NT, I cannot believe that Jesus was God. This violates my concept of the oneness of God. And I think people are generally horrible creatures and the idea that God would take such a revolting form doesn't appeal to me. uploading picturesThe entire premise of this is wrong. God did not create man with original sin, he created humanity sinless and perfect and put them in a sinless world without suffering, without death, and without sadness. It was when man disobeyed God that sin entered into the nature of man and into the world ruining earth and corrupting man. Because of our state of sin, we are all destined for death and hell. Jesus's death was to give us an out from that. By dying on the cross he took the punishment that was meant for us and according to Christian doctrine all one needs to do to escape hell is to accept Jesus as your lord and savior. Everyone talks about how evil and inhumane hell is but what they don't talk about is how insanely easy it is to avoid it according to Christian doctrine.
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Post by treez on Jul 1, 2018 15:03:31 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert? There's a problem there from my standpoint. Religion by definition, is a belief. Open religions can't really be racist. However you would certainly experience a certain level of a different race and culture in studying the Islamic scriptures. Although there are English translations, its predominantly in Arabic, which can be difficult to translate accurately unless you speak it fluently. Anabaptisim wouldn't have that barrier so there's that. Certainly from a scholarly perspective as well, its maybe worth trying both if you're unsure, actually going out there and experiencing some of the communities first and seeing how it would change if you fully devoted your faith to it. There are usuially communities online on media such as Facebook, Twitter, VK and even Tapatalk. And with no offense intended, maybe also look in to the Mormons. They are particularly profoundly known for their sense of community. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 1, 2018 15:05:17 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert? There's a problem there from my standpoint. Religion by definition, is a belief. Open religions can't really be racist. However you would certainly experience a certain level of a different race and culture in studying the Islamic scriptures. Although there are English translations, its predominantly in Arabic, which can be difficult to translate accurately unless you speak it fluently. Anabaptisim wouldn't have that barrier so there's that. Certainly from a scholarly perspective as well, its maybe worth trying both if you're unsure, actually going out there and experiencing some of the communities first and seeing how it would change if you fully devoted your faith to it. And with no offense intended, maybe also look in to the Mormons. They are particularly profoundly known for their sense of community. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MormonsWhat exactly is open religion?
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Post by treez on Jul 1, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
There's a problem there from my standpoint. Religion by definition, is a belief. Open religions can't really be racist. However you would certainly experience a certain level of a different race and culture in studying the Islamic scriptures. Although there are English translations, its predominantly in Arabic, which can be difficult to translate accurately unless you speak it fluently. Anabaptisim wouldn't have that barrier so there's that. Certainly from a scholarly perspective as well, its maybe worth trying both if you're unsure, actually going out there and experiencing some of the communities first and seeing how it would change if you fully devoted your faith to it. And with no offense intended, maybe also look in to the Mormons. They are particularly profoundly known for their sense of community. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MormonsWhat exactly is open religion? One that you can just join. As a pose to a religious cult like the freemasons or otherwise. God says in the bible: www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-study-course/bible-study-course-lesson-10/the-church-is-not-the-buildingThe church is not the building its the people.newspring.cc/studies/1-timothy-an-11-day-devotional/the-church-is-not-a-buildingSauce Included.
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Post by obligation on Jul 1, 2018 16:19:54 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert? Islam is a religion of Satan. Converting to Islam would be to turn away from God. Do you really want to go to hell?
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Post by treez on Jul 1, 2018 17:06:28 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert? Islam is a religion of Satan. Converting to Islam would be to turn away from God. Do you really want to go to hell? Satan is one component of islamic religion, just as it is with other forms of Christianity and Paganisim. Similarly a christian would avoid following something like the hindu religion due to the presence of idolatry. Moral of the Story: If you don't like carrot cake, grab yourself a slice of the walnut cake or something. Don't flip the table and squish everyone elses. That's not a fair munch.
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Post by niceillustrator on Oct 29, 2018 16:49:12 GMT
Depends..
You could live off a perfect life as a muslim, as long as you don't follow any authority but live it within yourself as its intended. You could live off a perfect life as a jew, as long as you don't follow any authority but live it within yourself as its intended. You could live off a perfect life as a christian, as long as you don't follow any authority but live it within yourself as its intended.
In my opinion, you make the religion what it is, not others. It's YOUR spiritual journey and what you do, think, research and conclude is the important thing here.
You see, what makes religion "bad" is humans. We are not perfect beings and tend to corrupt most of what we touch, so following other "authoririties" in most religions is a big no no in my opinion. I tend to not favour religions which requires you to follow a certain authority or a chosen being, since people often can say things and make you do stuff for their personal gain not caring for the religion itself. If you make mistakes, at least thats on you! You move forward and have learned a lesson.
You should honestly pick up books about whatever religion you're interested in and just read them. I think you will know yourself what to believe in when you read them.
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Post by Polaris on Oct 29, 2018 19:00:19 GMT
I want a moral non-racist religion. What are my options? I see only traditional Anabaptism and Islam. Islam seems like a better fit for me as an Old Testament follower. By converting, I would finally be part of a religious community. So should I convert? Yes, you should convert to Islam for many reasons, one is that Islam builds on and recognizes Christianity and Judaism as previous messages from God, and secondly pure Islam would give your life meaning and purpose, and thirdly, in Islam you are expected to keep away from forbidden behavior , but you are not demanded to do things beyond your ability. Duties in Islam are connected to the individual's capability. The pillars of Islam are easily understood and easily carried out. To confess that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah ( together with the previous messengers), Rendering prayers (five times), Giving alms (zakat) for the poor, fasting the month of Ramadan and Perform pilgrimage once in life if you could afford it.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 30, 2018 8:54:43 GMT
Yes, you should convert to Islam for many reasons, one is that Islam builds on and recognizes Christianity and Judaism as previous messages from God, and secondly pure Islam would give your life meaning and purpose, and thirdly, in Islam you are expected to keep away from forbidden behavior , but you are not demanded to do things beyond your ability. Duties in Islam are connected to the individual's capability. The pillars of Islam are easily understood and easily carried out. To confess that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah ( together with the previous messengers), Rendering prayers (five times), Giving alms (zakat) for the poor, fasting the month of Ramadan and Perform pilgrimage once in life if you could afford it. After a long conversation with one of the leader of the mosque, we both agreed that I shouldn't convert. Basically I can't accept Quran 2:2 which says "This is the book whereof there is no doubt". I have been a skeptic all my life, so I doubt everything. For a Christian to convert to Islam is easy since he is just trading one faith for another. But I have always rejected faith. For me, God is simply a theory that I accept, not an article of faith. The Old Testament is the only scripture that works for skeptics, so that is what I will follow. But I will continue to support Islam as the best available religion for most people.
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Post by EvilSpiriT on Oct 30, 2018 16:31:23 GMT
If you want to get yourself indulged into too much of religious activities then you're heading in a good place. You'll be bound to many religious activities. Hinduism is the religion which doesn't forces people up their throats to follow rules with that much of strictness. I ain't fostering but telling what's the reality.
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Post by PISTON1246 on Oct 30, 2018 20:02:24 GMT
The Quran says that their God is not effected by non-belief. The Torah says God is jealous and does not like it when we turn to other gods.
The Torah (Old Testament) law is complete. The Quran includes a NEW law requiring women to be circumcised on the clitoris.
Do you really believe in the Old Testament? Read it thoroughly.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 31, 2018 11:27:49 GMT
It is strange when a Jew wants to convert to Islam. There are anti-Jewish views in the Quran.
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