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Post by omega103 on Jun 8, 2018 7:38:42 GMT
When comparing Western culture with those from East Asia, it is easy to point out certain differences. In fact, some of them have been known to materialize into stereotypes. Yet, such dissimilarities have distinguishable roots. In turn, they have affected several aspects of both societies as a whole.
Western philosophy, which particularly grew in the Mediterranean portion of Europe and the Middle East, is dominant in today's Western states (European countries, Australia, USA, etc). This worldview portrays the universe as being composed of the properties that they have. As an example, people who grew up around this view tend to reason that the Earth seen from outer space is blue because there are particles within it that are blue (where the space around it is empty). Ultimately, they have a bottom-up approach.
Eastern philosophy, on the other hand, has its own worldview. This perspective particularly flourished under East Asian countries (China, India, etc) and is still dominant among its original birthplace. This philosophy emphasizes that everything in the universe is related to one another. The people influenced by this view, for example, reason that the blue color of Earth does not necessarily come from its particles alone. Rather, it has produced that color due to the interaction of the space around it, where it is the light from the sun that causes Earth to be blue. Easterners usually have a top-down approach.
There are several ways in which either philosophy has shaped a society as a whole. One of them is how Westerners hold individualism to a higher regard whereas collectivism and harmony is prized among Easterners. To simplify things, here is a list of the influence exerted by both worldviews:
Religion: Westerners tend to practice or have strong influences from a monotheistic religion, such as the Abrahamic Religions. Easterners, on the other hand, usually adhere to polytheistic religions. This comes from the believe that there is a balance in everything. Western religions, on the other hand, distinguish what's good and what's evil. As a matter of fact, morals (right vs wrong) play a bigger role in Western societies while Eastern societies focus more on ethics (good vs bad).
Society: Whereas the West possess a guilt-innocence society, the East has a shame-honor society. As far as psychology goes, it is also a plausible reason for why people of Western society today have experienced a sudden turn to guilt when rebelling against their values. The same situation is occurring with Easterners, except they turn to shame.
Politics: Westerners are more comfortable with the ideas of capitalism and liberty as they favor individualism. Fasteners, however, are more content with collectivism. Thus, they are more interested in ideas such as a social hierarchy (bosses are treated as if they're huge compared to the worker in Eastern countries) and socialism.
Linguistics: Western languages focus more on the nouns itself and their characteristics. They also have a considerably large amount of synonyms for a single word and the languages tend to be inflectional. This actually has big advantages for certain things including science. Eastern languages, on the other hand, has a more 'loose' grammar where the verb, portraying the relationship interaction of the nouns, are emphasized. Many Eastern languages also exhibit a topic-prominent structure (the situation around the noun is described).
Arts: As for Western art and architecture, they focus on perspective and how distinguishable they are from other objects. The East, on the other hand, takes into account the background and how well it blends in as a big picture. The traditional East Asian architecture style has an emphasis on how the buildings fit in with nature. It is also important to note that Westerners and Easterners use slightly different parts of their brain when viewing paintings.
Of course, there are many more differences between the Wast and the East, but these are some of the more prominent aspects that the philosophies have molded. Anyways, what are your opinions on the topic of Western and Eastern philosophies? Is one more effective and could one of them have an issue when it comes to values?
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Post by omega103 on Jun 11, 2018 7:02:53 GMT
This video may help add to some of my points:
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 11, 2018 10:36:11 GMT
Yup. They vary a lot. Do you think it could be possible to ever unite them into one philosophy?
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Post by joustos on Jun 11, 2018 17:17:56 GMT
Yup. They vary a lot. Do you think it could be possible to ever unite them into one philosophy? While the people of one culture may adopt or "borrow" elements of the other culture, it is impossible to unite indigenous and foreign elements of culture, when they are contrary in nature. For example, in the East there is (or there used to be) a philosophy/culture of quietism, whereas in the West there prevails a culture of activism [as the tenor of life]. Here, students are expected to be active in sports or other endeavors; so, they find it difficult to engage in quietism for the sake of achieving academic objectives. On the other hand, they have no problems adopting European and Eastern cuisines.
We all see various differences between Western and Eastern cultures, but we must realize that there is not simply "one" Western culture. Western culture has been going through many historical changes -- in everyday customs, in languages and thinking, in the vision of the world and of all reality. Ours is a dynamic culture [for better or for worse] that has no parallel in the world. Renaissance painters cultivated the art of painting in perspective. During the Middle Ages, the world was felt and seen by Christians as an expression of its Creator: at its physical level, it is like the footsteps of God; human beings are the very image of the Creative Trinity.... In ancient times, before philosophy (6th Cent. B.C.), the world was thought to be as it appears: a flat land under the dome-like sky, with the sun and the other "planets" circling around, but, later on, by argumentation and by exploratory travels, Europeans inferred that the Earth is round, that it moves around the sun, etc. Thus the world appeared to Westerns according to different approaches to it: perceptual; mystical; empirical and inferential. (These are just a few points in the distinctive history of Western Culture.)
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Post by omega103 on Jun 12, 2018 4:42:34 GMT
I know much of both philosophies by heart, actually. My travels gave me quite the experience.
It started in Indonesia, my native country. Let's just say that it has a rather convoluted history, so I will do my best to summarize it. Indonesia was originally filled with tribes that believed in shamanism or practiced animism. However, Buddhism and Hinduism from China and India soon dominated over the original religions. Even more, Islam from the Middle East triumphed over Buddhism and Hinduism for the most part, becoming Indonesia's largest religion even today. France, English, the Netherlands, Portugal, and Spain did colonize parts of Indonesia, but Christianity never became the major religion. After that, World War II came along, where Japan did attempt to make Indonesians follow their culture. Despite all that, Indonesia still has over 300 ethnic groups and over 300 languages today. Indonesia is a culturally diverse country, I must say. Overall, though, Indonesia has an East-leaning philosophy. In Indonesia, I've moved from a rural area, to a city, to the suburbs, then to a neighborhood made for families of the American Caltex company.
After I left Indonesia, I stayed in Singapore for a bit, getting exposed to both philosophies there. Moving on, I landed in Michigan, USA (what I consider home) for seven years. I did move around at least three times there, but each place I moved to were either suburban or rural which had lots of Western influence. Then, I moved to a small city in Ontario, Canada (good amount of Western influence there), and now I live in British Columbia (in a suburban/urban-ish area with a fair amount of Western philosophy and a bit of the East. I did move back to Indonesia for almost two years before I went to British Columbia, however, allowing me to re-experience Eastern thoughts.
Needless to say, my journey was priceless as it allowed me to get a big scoop of both philosophies. As of now, it is rather normal for me to have a perspective of both worldviews when I approach things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 10:16:35 GMT
Oh, here's a good video to this question, of the core of principles laying down between the debates:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:03:54 GMT
When comparing Western culture with those from East Asia, it is easy to point out certain differences. In fact, some of them have been known to materialize into stereotypes. Yet, such dissimilarities have distinguishable roots. In turn, they have affected several aspects of both societies as a whole. Western philosophy, which particularly grew in the Mediterranean portion of Europe and the Middle East, is dominant in today's Western states (European countries, Australia, USA, etc). This worldview portrays the universe as being composed of the properties that they have. As an example, people who grew up around this view tend to reason that the Earth seen from outer space is blue because there are particles within it that are blue (where the space around it is empty). Ultimately, they have a bottom-up approach. Eastern philosophy, on the other hand, has its own worldview. This perspective particularly flourished under East Asian countries (China, India, etc) and is still dominant among its original birthplace. This philosophy emphasizes that everything in the universe is related to one another. The people influenced by this view, for example, reason that the blue color of Earth does not necessarily come from its particles alone. Rather, it has produced that color due to the interaction of the space around it, where it is the light from the sun that causes Earth to be blue. Easterners usually have a top-down approach. There are several ways in which either philosophy has shaped a society as a whole. One of them is how Westerners hold individualism to a higher regard whereas collectivism and harmony is prized among Easterners. To simplify things, here is a list of the influence exerted by both worldviews: Religion: Westerners tend to practice or have strong influences from a monotheistic religion, such as the Abrahamic Religions. Easterners, on the other hand, usually adhere to polytheistic religions. This comes from the believe that there is a balance in everything. Western religions, on the other hand, distinguish what's good and what's evil. As a matter of fact, morals (right vs wrong) play a bigger role in Western societies while Eastern societies focus more on ethics (good vs bad). Society: Whereas the West possess a guilt-innocence society, the East has a shame-honor society. As far as psychology goes, it is also a plausible reason for why people of Western society today have experienced a sudden turn to guilt when rebelling against their values. The same situation is occurring with Easterners, except they turn to shame. Politics: Westerners are more comfortable with the ideas of capitalism and liberty as they favor individualism. Fasteners, however, are more content with collectivism. Thus, they are more interested in ideas such as a social hierarchy (bosses are treated as if they're huge compared to the worker in Eastern countries) and socialism. Linguistics: Western languages focus more on the nouns itself and their characteristics. They also have a considerably large amount of synonyms for a single word and the languages tend to be inflectional. This actually has big advantages for certain things including science. Eastern languages, on the other hand, has a more 'loose' grammar where the verb, portraying the relationship interaction of the nouns, are emphasized. Many Eastern languages also exhibit a topic-prominent structure (the situation around the noun is described). Arts: As for Western art and architecture, they focus on perspective and how distinguishable they are from other objects. The East, on the other hand, takes into account the background and how well it blends in as a big picture. The traditional East Asian architecture style has an emphasis on how the buildings fit in with nature. It is also important to note that Westerners and Easterners use slightly different parts of their brain when viewing paintings. Of course, there are many more differences between the Wast and the East, but these are some of the more prominent aspects that the philosophies have molded. Anyways, what are your opinions on the topic of Western and Eastern philosophies? Is one more effective and could one of them have an issue when it comes to values? It breaks down to a dualism of perspective: Eastern Holism vs Western Atomism with the Holism observing an inherent form of circular reasoning and Atomism depending upon a more linear approach. We can see this reflected in the their cultural perspectives where the East as the "Land of the Rising Sun" observes this circularity due to a premise of the Sun (the great sphere) starting its due course. The West as the "Land of the Setting Sun" observes this linearism due to the premise of the horizon giving conclusion to the great sphere. We have to remember that Sun worship is an inherent element of all cultures where there roots stem from paganism. This inherent relation to the sun is what defines the culture for what it is. With globalism we will see a diffusion of the cultures, and there corresponding perspectives, but it will be a long time before a complete synthesis occurs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 19:11:06 GMT
When comparing Western culture with those from East Asia, it is easy to point out certain differences. In fact, some of them have been known to materialize into stereotypes. Yet, such dissimilarities have distinguishable roots. In turn, they have affected several aspects of both societies as a whole. Western philosophy, which particularly grew in the Mediterranean portion of Europe and the Middle East, is dominant in today's Western states (European countries, Australia, USA, etc). This worldview portrays the universe as being composed of the properties that they have. As an example, people who grew up around this view tend to reason that the Earth seen from outer space is blue because there are particles within it that are blue (where the space around it is empty). Ultimately, they have a bottom-up approach. Eastern philosophy, on the other hand, has its own worldview. This perspective particularly flourished under East Asian countries (China, India, etc) and is still dominant among its original birthplace. This philosophy emphasizes that everything in the universe is related to one another. The people influenced by this view, for example, reason that the blue color of Earth does not necessarily come from its particles alone. Rather, it has produced that color due to the interaction of the space around it, where it is the light from the sun that causes Earth to be blue. Easterners usually have a top-down approach. There are several ways in which either philosophy has shaped a society as a whole. One of them is how Westerners hold individualism to a higher regard whereas collectivism and harmony is prized among Easterners. To simplify things, here is a list of the influence exerted by both worldviews: Religion: Westerners tend to practice or have strong influences from a monotheistic religion, such as the Abrahamic Religions. Easterners, on the other hand, usually adhere to polytheistic religions. This comes from the believe that there is a balance in everything. Western religions, on the other hand, distinguish what's good and what's evil. As a matter of fact, morals (right vs wrong) play a bigger role in Western societies while Eastern societies focus more on ethics (good vs bad). Society: Whereas the West possess a guilt-innocence society, the East has a shame-honor society. As far as psychology goes, it is also a plausible reason for why people of Western society today have experienced a sudden turn to guilt when rebelling against their values. The same situation is occurring with Easterners, except they turn to shame. Politics: Westerners are more comfortable with the ideas of capitalism and liberty as they favor individualism. Fasteners, however, are more content with collectivism. Thus, they are more interested in ideas such as a social hierarchy (bosses are treated as if they're huge compared to the worker in Eastern countries) and socialism. Linguistics: Western languages focus more on the nouns itself and their characteristics. They also have a considerably large amount of synonyms for a single word and the languages tend to be inflectional. This actually has big advantages for certain things including science. Eastern languages, on the other hand, has a more 'loose' grammar where the verb, portraying the relationship interaction of the nouns, are emphasized. Many Eastern languages also exhibit a topic-prominent structure (the situation around the noun is described). Arts: As for Western art and architecture, they focus on perspective and how distinguishable they are from other objects. The East, on the other hand, takes into account the background and how well it blends in as a big picture. The traditional East Asian architecture style has an emphasis on how the buildings fit in with nature. It is also important to note that Westerners and Easterners use slightly different parts of their brain when viewing paintings. Of course, there are many more differences between the Wast and the East, but these are some of the more prominent aspects that the philosophies have molded. Anyways, what are your opinions on the topic of Western and Eastern philosophies? Is one more effective and could one of them have an issue when it comes to values? It breaks down to a dualism of perspective: Eastern Holism vs Western Atomism with the Holism observing an inherent form of circular reasoning and Atomism depending upon a more linear approach. We can see this reflected in the their cultural perspectives where the East as the "Land of the Rising Sun" observes this circularity due to a premise of the Sun (the great sphere) starting its due course. The West as the "Land of the Setting Sun" observes this linearism due to the premise of the horizon giving conclusion to the great sphere. We have to remember that Sun worship is an inherent element of all cultures where there roots stem from paganism. This inherent relation to the sun is what defines the culture for what it is. With globalism we will see a diffusion of the cultures, and there corresponding perspectives, but it will be a long time before a complete synthesis occurs. But don't we feel the same movement of the Sun whenever we're staying on the Earth? Some differences occur in the North and the South, not in East-West. Or, it depends not only on the visual perspectives (including horizon), but the relationship between people = the nearest and the farthest to the Sun. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:26:29 GMT
It breaks down to a dualism of perspective: Eastern Holism vs Western Atomism with the Holism observing an inherent form of circular reasoning and Atomism depending upon a more linear approach. We can see this reflected in the their cultural perspectives where the East as the "Land of the Rising Sun" observes this circularity due to a premise of the Sun (the great sphere) starting its due course. The West as the "Land of the Setting Sun" observes this linearism due to the premise of the horizon giving conclusion to the great sphere. We have to remember that Sun worship is an inherent element of all cultures where there roots stem from paganism. This inherent relation to the sun is what defines the culture for what it is. With globalism we will see a diffusion of the cultures, and there corresponding perspectives, but it will be a long time before a complete synthesis occurs. But don't we feel the same movement of the Sun whenever we're staying on the Earth? Some differences occur in the North and the South, not in East-West. Or, it depends not only on the visual perspectives (including horizon), but the relationship between people = the nearest and the farthest to the Sun. What do you think? I agree with the above. However East and West have often been associated, with the rising and setting of the sun. All eastern and western nations, as eastern and western, would relate to their position in the world to their relation with the Sun. Think of it less literally and more symbolically... like a natural symbolic logic .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 19:29:10 GMT
But don't we feel the same movement of the Sun whenever we're staying on the Earth? Some differences occur in the North and the South, not in East-West. Or, it depends not only on the visual perspectives (including horizon), but the relationship between people = the nearest and the farthest to the Sun. What do you think? I agree with the above. However East and West have often been associated, with the rising and setting of the sun. All eastern and western nations, as eastern and western, would relate to their position in the world to their relation with the Sun. Think of it less literally and more symbolically... like a natural symbolic logic .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 21:07:11 GMT
I agree with the above. However East and West have often been associated, with the rising and setting of the sun. All eastern and western nations, as eastern and western, would relate to their position in the world to their relation with the Sun. Think of it less literally and more symbolically... like a natural symbolic logic .
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