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Mars
Jun 7, 2018 6:56:36 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 7, 2018 6:56:36 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 7, 2018 7:06:46 GMT
I wouldn't want to live on a planet devoid of life with only a single environment (rusted desert sand) even if they did put water on the useless hunk of rock. Living on Mars is highly unappealing to me.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 7, 2018 8:04:08 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Even if there live microbes In Mars this does not mean that a person will live there! Shrug
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Mars
Jun 8, 2018 13:58:15 GMT
Post by falconh on Jun 8, 2018 13:58:15 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Presence of water doesn't mean that people could live their but we have to wait for NASA to discover more about it...
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Jun 8, 2018 14:25:23 GMT
Aside from the fact that you would have to wear a suit 99% of the time, unless you managed to construct decent habitation, it would not be so bad to live on Mars.
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Mars
Jun 9, 2018 14:56:59 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 9, 2018 14:56:59 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Well the idea that the water evaporated into space is quite popular, but clearly impossible. So the only other place it could have gone is underground, or perhaps it was 'mined'? Perhaps it was used to cover the Earth by our makers? Another possibility is that Mars had a moon, which seems to have gone missing, perhaps in a collision. If we hypothesize that if the Earth lost its moon, the tides would stop, and then perhaps much of the water would sink underground. But the real problem for human space travel is that people cannot survive the radiation when they go beyond the Van Allen belt. THAT has serious implications, not just for space travel, but for history too.
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Mars
Jun 9, 2018 17:01:24 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 9, 2018 17:01:24 GMT
It's said that there used to be water there and that it could be returned for people to live there. What do you think of this? Well the idea that the water evaporated into space is quite popular, but clearly impossible. So the only other place it could have gone is underground, or perhaps it was 'mined'? Perhaps it was used to cover the Earth by our makers? Another possibility is that Mars had a moon, which seems to have gone missing, perhaps in a collision. If we hypothesize that if the Earth lost its moon, the tides would stop, and then perhaps much of the water would sink underground. But the real problem for human space travel is that people cannot survive the radiation when they go beyond the Van Allen belt. THAT has serious implications, not just for space travel, but for history too. So you think its possible for water on Earth to evaporate too? And if Mars had a moon that flew away wouldn't that mean the gravitational pull isn't strong/safe and the Earth can even fly away from orbiting the sun?
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Mars
Jun 9, 2018 20:31:33 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 9, 2018 20:31:33 GMT
Well the idea that the water evaporated into space is quite popular, but clearly impossible. So the only other place it could have gone is underground, or perhaps it was 'mined'? Perhaps it was used to cover the Earth by our makers? Another possibility is that Mars had a moon, which seems to have gone missing, perhaps in a collision. If we hypothesize that if the Earth lost its moon, the tides would stop, and then perhaps much of the water would sink underground. But the real problem for human space travel is that people cannot survive the radiation when they go beyond the Van Allen belt. THAT has serious implications, not just for space travel, but for history too. So you think its possible for water on Earth to evaporate too? And if Mars had a moon that flew away wouldn't that mean the gravitational pull isn't strong/safe and the Earth can even fly away from orbiting the sun? No. Water cannot evaporate into space because gravity would hold it back. If we lost the moon, it would be due to the influence of a rogue planet. Now its interesting that Mars is actually moving towards the Earth at about 200km per year. Its orbit is slowly being distorted, mostly by Jupiter. If Mars' orbit continues to become elongated like this then it could pull the moon away in 50 -250 thousand years time. My calculations are not accurate enough to be certain though. It may be that the distortion reverses in about 15000 years and Mars starts behaving itself again. The math is called the n-body problem (aka many-body problem). I've solved the algebra, but the actual details are quite laborious to get accurate. My computer is also quite primitive, which slows me down alot, but then because of this I have come up with innovative ways to compute the data. It may even be that Mars or the moon slams into the Earth.
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Mars
Jun 9, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 9, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time?
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Mars
Jun 9, 2018 23:12:07 GMT
Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 9, 2018 23:12:07 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time? But how does he know this?
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Mars
Jun 10, 2018 1:00:58 GMT
Post by Elizabeth on Jun 10, 2018 1:00:58 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time? But how does he know this? Well, I'm checking to see what he does know Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 10, 2018 7:21:44 GMT
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Mars
Jun 10, 2018 7:59:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 7:59:28 GMT
I would, I know I wouldn't be able to see my family again but I would get to have space babies. Also, don't forget about the exploration and colonization.
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Mars
Jun 10, 2018 11:15:16 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 10, 2018 11:15:16 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time? I never said it evaporated - you did. I said the water could have seeped underground or been deliberately removed. I said it could NOT have evaporated. Water is always going to be heavier than the void of space. In order for something to evaporate - upwards it has to be lighter than what surrounds it. A piece of wood floats on water because the wood is lighter than the water. A hot air balloon moves up because its average density is less than air. But water is not lighter or less dense than the emptiness of space - thus water could NEVER evaporate into space. So the only places it could go is: underground or if somebody removed it, see?
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Mars
Jun 10, 2018 11:23:20 GMT
Post by jonbain on Jun 10, 2018 11:23:20 GMT
jonbain so then why did the water evaporate on Mars? There was no gravity for some time? Gravity cannot just go away for some time. If it did so through Divine intervention, then mars would have lost its moons. But Mars has kept its moons. Incidentally Mars' moons may be the key here. Phobos and Deimos are quite pitiful lumps of rock a few km across that I suspect may possibly be the remnants of a real-size moon. If Mars's moon did disintegrate and Phobos and Deimos are the debris, this may become apparent if a probe can be sent to examine their surfaces to see how old they are. Although, the odds do not favor this idea, it cannot be ruled out until a proper analysis of the surface of the moons of mars can be made. But then again, as regards space-travel, there is a far far bigger elephant in the room than space-probes.
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