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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 5, 2018 2:08:44 GMT
As far as I knew from the past the female took the guy's last name when she married. But nowadays in some countries it's weird and they changed it. Some woman keep their last names and don't change it. I only agree to taking his name and I'm glad my church requires this. What do you think on this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 8:06:47 GMT
Okay, thanks for informing me about the definition of a surname. Then let's assume that I'm not talking about the surnames but about the last names. Something like, you know, Doe and stuff. And the title of the thread mentions last names, so that's what I was referring to. Unfortunately, I don't speak archaic English, but apparently even this definition says that I am correct - except that "surname" is not a synonyme to last name, which I didn't know. Now I do.
I already mentioned how the last names were formed. I don't understand why are you telling me what I already said. But I'm sure you see the difference between the usage of modern last names and historical nicknames. Now they are hereditary, and just because your surname is Travers it doesn't mean that you personally collect tolls at bridges. Your wife will not collect tolls at bridges neither. But if you'd live in the medieval or ancient times and people would refer to you this way, then surely because you collect tolls at bridges. But your wife won't be called that way if she doesn't collect the tolls at bridges. Thus, if in the Biblical times John the Baptist would have a wife, then surely nobody would suggest to her to consider herelf Jane the Baptist, because it's not her who was the baptist.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 6, 2018 8:16:16 GMT
Okay, thanks for informing me about the definition of a surname. Then let's assume that I'm not talking about the surnames but about the last names. Something like, you know, Doe and stuff. And the title of the thread mentions last names, so that's what I was referring to. Unfortunately, I don't speak archaic English, but apparently even this definition says that I am correct - except that "surname" is not a synonyme to last name, which I didn't know. Now I do. I already mentioned how the last names were formed. I don't understand why are you telling me what I already said. But I'm sure you see the difference between the usage of modern last names and historical nicknames. Now they are hereditary, and just because your surname is Travers it doesn't mean that you personally collect tolls at bridges. Your wife will not collect tolls at bridges neither. But if you'd live in the medieval or ancient times and people would refer to you this way, then surely because you collect tolls at bridges. But your wife won't be called that way if she doesn't collect the tolls at bridges. Thus, if in the Biblical times John the Baptist would have a wife, then surely nobody would suggest to her to consider herelf Jane the Baptist, because it's not her who was the baptist. Last names are surnames Like I asked before, where do you think the surnames "Smith" and "Schumaucher" come from? How about "Miller" and "Weaver"? "Skinner" and "Mason"? There are tons of others that don't have anything to do with occupations even. Some mean something else entirely. That definition I gave you is where surnames come from; a name, title, or epithet added to a person's name, especially one indicating their birthplace or a particular quality or achievement. They don't do this with surnames anymore because people aren't named based off of where they live or what they do anymore.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 6, 2018 8:17:14 GMT
DKTrav88 you don't mind sharing your last name here? I personally like keeping my name private except first name. But that's just me everyone's different Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 6, 2018 8:21:08 GMT
DKTrav88 you don't mind sharing your last name here? I personally like keeping my name private except first name. But that's just me everyone's different No I dont mind. I shared my facebook profile on my arktos profile a while ago. Who I am is no secret.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 6, 2018 8:24:38 GMT
DKTrav88 you don't mind sharing your last name here? I personally like keeping my name private except first name. But that's just me everyone's different Well, you can find my surname in the post where you share your DNA test results in my 23andme ethnic make up that I shared (didn't know how to edit out the name.) Its Gaelic as all get out. It means son of fire and I can't trace my direct ancestor back to the old country so I don't know for sure if its Irish, Highland Scottish, or Ulster Scots. Most people with an Irish name in the south are descended from the Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland (as I am on my mothers side) but my surname doesn't seem like a name that the protestants would have (their names are usually Anglo Saxon like Jackson, Armstrong, or Elliot.)
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 6, 2018 8:24:53 GMT
In Russian for example, the word -Surname- sounds like -Familiya- just family name Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 6, 2018 8:28:34 GMT
DKTrav88 and Clovis Merovingian well if you two ever wish to remove it from a post you can or have me do it. I can also edit out the name on your test result if you wish, Clovis. But if you're all ok with it then ok but just an option since I don't want members thinking they have to share their full names here
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 6, 2018 8:29:36 GMT
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Clovis Merovingian
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Posts: 2,693
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 6, 2018 8:38:10 GMT
DKTrav88 and Clovis Merovingian well if you two ever wish to remove it from a post you can or have me do it. I can also edit out the name on your test result if you wish, Clovis. But if you're all ok with it then ok but just an option since I don't want members thinking they have to share their full names here Yes ma'am you can edit my name, and I've been fixing to ask if you may once again remove all pictures of me on this site as well. I'm sorry for asking for this again but the pictures I've posted have served their purpose and I'd really rather not have my face to be seen on this forum. In fact if I post my pictures again for any purpose I'll probably ask you to remove them later. Than you in advance.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 6, 2018 8:43:14 GMT
DKTrav88 and Clovis Merovingian well if you two ever wish to remove it from a post you can or have me do it. I can also edit out the name on your test result if you wish, Clovis. But if you're all ok with it then ok but just an option since I don't want members thinking they have to share their full names here Yes ma'am you can edit my name, and I've been fixing to ask if you may once again remove all pictures of me on this site as well. I'm sorry for asking for this again but the pictures I've posted have served their purpose and I'd really rather not have my face to be seen on this forum. In fact if I post my pictures again for any purpose I'll probably ask you to remove them later. Than you in advance. Alright, I'll get done as soon as I can.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 6, 2018 9:00:38 GMT
My last name may seem very racist. The root of the surname is in my profile here!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 9:25:55 GMT
Okay, thanks for informing me about the definition of a surname. Then let's assume that I'm not talking about the surnames but about the last names. Something like, you know, Doe and stuff. And the title of the thread mentions last names, so that's what I was referring to. Unfortunately, I don't speak archaic English, but apparently even this definition says that I am correct - except that "surname" is not a synonyme to last name, which I didn't know. Now I do. I already mentioned how the last names were formed. I don't understand why are you telling me what I already said. But I'm sure you see the difference between the usage of modern last names and historical nicknames. Now they are hereditary, and just because your surname is Travers it doesn't mean that you personally collect tolls at bridges. Your wife will not collect tolls at bridges neither. But if you'd live in the medieval or ancient times and people would refer to you this way, then surely because you collect tolls at bridges. But your wife won't be called that way if she doesn't collect the tolls at bridges. Thus, if in the Biblical times John the Baptist would have a wife, then surely nobody would suggest to her to consider herelf Jane the Baptist, because it's not her who was the baptist. Last names are surnames Like I asked before, where do you think the surnames "Smith" and "Schumaucher" come from? How about "Miller" and "Weaver"? "Skinner" and "Mason"? There are tons of others that don't have anything to do with occupations even. Some mean something else entirely. That definition I gave you is where surnames come from; a name, title, or epithet added to a person's name, especially one indicating their birthplace or a particular quality or achievement. They don't do this with surnames anymore because people aren't named based off of where they live or what they do anymore. Then sorry, but "Peter" is NOT a surname, neither is Iscariot, neither the African. Not in the modern times and not in the common sense. I think it's quite obvious that when we discuss whether women should take their husbands' surnames we talk about modern surnames, since we discuss it in regards to the modern times. Debating over semantics here is completely pointless, not only because it's not the subject, but also because apparently the English definition of a surname is different than in other languages, that actually see the difference. You ask me the questions for the second time, and I will answer to you for the second time, that I already mentioned that fact that surnames have their etymology - these are not randomly picked letters just for shits and gigs, but I also need to mention one more time, that nowadays a person known as Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money, while medieval Adam Smith would definitely have to. So what you are saying here looks to me like what I said just before.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 6, 2018 9:35:45 GMT
Last names are surnames Like I asked before, where do you think the surnames "Smith" and "Schumaucher" come from? How about "Miller" and "Weaver"? "Skinner" and "Mason"? There are tons of others that don't have anything to do with occupations even. Some mean something else entirely. That definition I gave you is where surnames come from; a name, title, or epithet added to a person's name, especially one indicating their birthplace or a particular quality or achievement. They don't do this with surnames anymore because people aren't named based off of where they live or what they do anymore. Then sorry, but "Peter" is NOT a surname, neither is Iscariot, neither the African. Not in the modern times and not in the common sense. I think it's quite obvious that when we discuss whether women should take their husbands' surnames we talk about modern surnames, since we discuss it in regards to the modern times. Debating over semantics here is completely pointless, not only because it's not the subject, but also because apparently the English definition of a surname is different than in other languages, that actually see the difference. You ask me the questions for the second time, and I will answer to you for the second time, that I already mentioned that fact that surnames have their etymology - these are not randomly picked letters just for shits and gigs, but I also need to mention one more time, that nowadays a person known as Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money, while medieval Adam Smith would definitely have to. So what you are saying here looks to me like what I said just before. Peterson is, "son of Peter"... "Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money" nor did I say he did smh this is turning into a ridiculous conversation.... I honestly don't want to argue about it because I already know I'm not going to change your mind and that we aren't going to agree. I'm steadfast in what I believe and I've provided what I think supports a wife taking the name of her husband I'm an old school kind of person, new age thinking is crap. You can believe what you want, people agree and disagree with us both
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 10:33:05 GMT
Then sorry, but "Peter" is NOT a surname, neither is Iscariot, neither the African. Not in the modern times and not in the common sense. I think it's quite obvious that when we discuss whether women should take their husbands' surnames we talk about modern surnames, since we discuss it in regards to the modern times. Debating over semantics here is completely pointless, not only because it's not the subject, but also because apparently the English definition of a surname is different than in other languages, that actually see the difference. You ask me the questions for the second time, and I will answer to you for the second time, that I already mentioned that fact that surnames have their etymology - these are not randomly picked letters just for shits and gigs, but I also need to mention one more time, that nowadays a person known as Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money, while medieval Adam Smith would definitely have to. So what you are saying here looks to me like what I said just before. Peterson is, "son of Peter"... "Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money" nor did I say he did smh this is turning into a ridiculous conversation.... I honestly don't want to argue about it because I already know I'm not going to change your mind and that we aren't going to agree. I'm steadfast in what I believe and I've provided what I think supports a wife taking the name of her husband I'm an old school kind of person, new age thinking is crap. You can believe what you want, people agree and disagree with us both My surname means "son of Ivan" but there is no such name in Poland, so my father is definitely not Ivan - and according to his surname he is son of Ivan as well. We basically argue on what the surname is. And there is a difference between the definitions, as certainly one of my ancestors was actually the son of Ivan - the one who was the first to have an official surname when such a thing was introduced. I have such attitude towards the surnames not because of any possible ideological reasons, but because I simply don't care about it. There are other things that actually would matter to me if I would ever want to get married. But at the same time I know it would sound funny if a woman from a different country would decide to take my surname. Maybe not so much if she'd be from Belarus, Ukraine or maybe Russia, but if she'd be from some other countries it would simply... funny. And, at the same time, if I would have a different surname, for example a Polish equivalent of "dickhead" then I'm sure it would be me who changes the surname. And some people have such surnames here. And since I don't care about it, I definitely would not mind nor oppose if a woman would want to have my surname. My sister, for example, took her husband's surname after they got married.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 6, 2018 10:39:45 GMT
Peterson is, "son of Peter"... "Adam Smith doesn't have to use hammer and anvil to get money" nor did I say he did smh this is turning into a ridiculous conversation.... I honestly don't want to argue about it because I already know I'm not going to change your mind and that we aren't going to agree. I'm steadfast in what I believe and I've provided what I think supports a wife taking the name of her husband I'm an old school kind of person, new age thinking is crap. You can believe what you want, people agree and disagree with us both My surname means "son of Ivan" but there is no such name in Poland, so my father is definitely not Ivan - and according to his surname he is son of Ivan as well. We basically argue on what the surname is. And there is a difference between the definitions, as certainly one of my ancestors was actually the son of Ivan - the one who was the first to have an official surname when such a thing was introduced. I have such attitude towards the surnames not because of any possible ideological reasons, but because I simply don't care about it. There are other things that actually would matter to me if I would ever want to get married. But at the same time I know it would sound funny if a woman from a different country would decide to take my surname. Maybe not so much if she'd be from Belarus, Ukraine or maybe Russia, but if she'd be from some other countries it would simply... funny. And, at the same time, if I would have a different surname, for example a Polish equivalent of "dickhead" then I'm sure it would be me who changes the surname. And some people have such surnames here. And since I don't care about it, I definitely would not mind nor oppose if a woman would want to have my surname. My sister, for example, took her husband's surname after they got married. Go your own way
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