Clovis Merovingian
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Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
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Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 7, 2018 3:59:40 GMT
This is mostly for Americans but applies to other people as well. What part of your ancestry, what ethnic group, nationality, or any other people who are a part of your ancestry do you identify with most? If you come from the old word you are still probably a mix of tribes so this applies to you too.
Me personally, I'm a fourth German and Swiss on my fathers side plus the German ancestors on my mothers side making by my counting the Germans having the highest proportion of my ancestry. That plus the fact that I am closest to the German side of my family and know them far better than everyone else means I identify most with my German ancestry though I don't discount any part of my lineage.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 10, 2018 13:35:30 GMT
I proudly identify as Jamaican, although that's not exactly a race. But in reality I'm half Irish and Jamaican. Have you visited both places by any chance?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 10, 2018 14:59:33 GMT
Found out yesterday that I'm part Manx which are the Gaelic people who inhabit the Isle of Man. I'm going be a hipster and identify with them . Why didn't you know before?
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Clovis Merovingian
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Posts: 2,673
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 11, 2018 0:41:40 GMT
Found out yesterday that I'm part Manx which are the Gaelic people who inhabit the Isle of Man. I'm going be a hipster and identify with them . Why didn't you know before? New information on ancestry.com.
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Ace
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Post by Ace on Jul 11, 2018 6:01:18 GMT
I proudly identify as Jamaican, although that's not exactly a race. But in reality I'm half Irish and Jamaican. Have you visited both places by any chance? I have visited Jamaica, bu not Ireland.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 11, 2018 6:07:45 GMT
Have you visited both places by any chance? I have visited Jamaica, bu not Ireland. Do you plan to one day?
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Ace
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Post by Ace on Jul 11, 2018 6:15:58 GMT
I have visited Jamaica, bu not Ireland. Do you plan to one day No, as soon as I can I am moving to Venezuela for reasons I can't exactly say. I plan in staying there for quite a long time.
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ashlyn
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Post by ashlyn on Oct 24, 2018 11:12:49 GMT
You're right. It's a question mostly for Americans & people of otherwise mixed ancestry with little cultural association.
Most Europeans identify as we are. And even then we've our own cultural divides (e.g. a Scotsman is not an Englishman, an Irishman or Welsh). Such is why you'll rarely find someone from the UK, unless they're adopted or know next to nothing about their ancestry/culture, as example "identifying" as Manx just because some DNA test says they've got a potential relation.
Btw it's 'nice' Americans identify as British. You're not actual British. You have a different culture, a different diet, a different sense of humour (ours is a dry witty sense of humour & yours is more often clubfooted and even just crude), etc. You're different in many ways.
You don't even speak the same dialect of English - words like bonnet (hood), boot (trunk), torch (flashlight), trainers (sneakers), etc. are basic British English & even they're confusing enough for Americans (such, however, is simple compared to regional British words like Scottish dreich or regional English like ginnel).
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Brythonic Warrior
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Oct 24, 2018 16:02:24 GMT
Not so much before now, but Celtic (Brythonic).
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Clovis Merovingian
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Posts: 2,673
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 3, 2018 19:37:04 GMT
You're right. It's a question mostly for Americans & people of otherwise mixed ancestry with little cultural association. Most Europeans identify as we are. And even then we've our own cultural divides (e.g. a Scotsman is not an Englishman, an Irishman or Welsh). Such is why you'll rarely find someone from the UK, unless they're adopted or know next to nothing about their ancestry/culture, as example "identifying" as Manx just because some DNA test says they've got a potential relation. Btw it's 'nice' Americans identify as British. You're not actual British. You have a different culture, a different diet, a different sense of humour (ours is a dry witty sense of humour & yours is more often clubfooted and even just crude), etc. You're different in many ways. You don't even speak the same dialect of English - words like bonnet (hood), boot (trunk), torch (flashlight), trainers (sneakers), etc. are basic British English & even they're confusing enough for Americans (such, however, is simple compared to regional British words like Scottish dreich or regional English like ginnel). In America we are a settler society which means our ancestors are native to somewhere else. That is, our family history does not start in this country. The people here identify first as American but often pout a hyphen before it based on the countries where their family has lived for thousands more years than they've lived on this piece of dirt we took from the Natives. All people in the United States identify this way, not just Europeans. Jews, Indians, Africans, Chinese , Japanese, etc all identify with their ancestors and like European Americans are not going to just disregard their entire heritage or their ancestors because they are culturally different from the old country (and no other groups other than European Americans are told they have no right to their heritage. No one tells an Americans of Chinese descent that he has no right to his heritage for example, only whites it seems get this treatment.) Yes we are different from our mother countries and we are American culturally and we do identify as Americans first. If the United States were to wage war on Britain, British American soldiers would happily fight against Britain as Japanese and German Americans did against the Axis in WW2. However we didn't just spring from a log 250 or so ago when we waged war against Britain and got our independence. Identifying with ones' ancestors as well as their country of birth is simply a part of the culture of a settler society where every ethnicity from every part of the world came in and never really forgot their old country. We do actually have a cultural connection to everyone especially the British. America's laws, language, system of government, religious tradition, folkways, literary tradition, mores etc come from Britain. Our dialect you've mentioned as different (or rather dialects) are not some new, different dialects that evolved in America, they come straight from Britain before the current British accent even existed, read historian David Hackett Fisher's opus Albion's Seed to see how the four main American dialects came straight from four different regions in the British isles as well as the rest of the cultural traits in the regions that these dialects dominate. On top of that our food comes from Asia, Italy, Germany (pretzels and beer), Britain, Greece, India, Ireland, you name it. Our unique music has an African (Jazz, blues, gospel, rock and roll all have African precedents the "African" part of African Americans) and Ulster Scots (we call them Scots Irish and they gave us country music and blue grass) flavor. New York has inherited many dutch cultural characteristics that remain distinctive to this day as well as the French influence in Louisiana, the Spanish influence in the Southwest, and the German influence in the Midwest as well as Scandinavian influence in Minnesota and the Dakotas. Anyways, I'm sorry if it offends you if Americans identify with their ancestors but they're not going to stop doing that any time soon and it's just a part of our culture.
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