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Post by zishim on May 6, 2018 8:17:19 GMT
What are thoughts people have about humans being “natural born cyborgs” or the view of the “self” encompassing the reciprocal interaction between human the system/environment he/she is placed in rather than being comprised of just an individual. Andy Clark gets into this in his book Natural Born Cyborgs (https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Born-Cyborgs-Technologies-Future-Intelligence/dp/0195177517) and makes the argument that humans are already cyborgs because of all the technology most humans incorporate in their daily lives, and I was curious if people would agree/disagree with this idea.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 6, 2018 8:42:15 GMT
I would say some definitely are. Some are addicted to technology and use from the moment they wake up to when they sleep. I've even heard of people playing video games nonstop and then dying. Technology is addicting but some can put it down. Those who can at least know when to say no and use it moderately. There are also some who refuse technology completely. Amish people I think. Anyway we are not meant to be cyborgs but many can certainly become that in my opinion. What is are your thoughts on it zishim?
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Post by zishim on May 7, 2018 3:51:31 GMT
That is a very good point Elizabeth-- I do think technology has been becoming a more ingrained part of people's lifestyles, especially in the realm you mentioned (i.e., technology addiction, video games, etc.). While that is definitely true, my thoughts are more along the lines that technology becomes a part of our own selves in terms of how we function day to day. For instance, technology as basic as a pen, can be considered a part of a human because someone accomplish a task. In the case of smartphones, Andy Clark would also argue they are a part of a "human" since they are tools that give function to our own selves. Essentially, tools have made it so that we "habitually extend and change our body-concept without even thinking twice about it," which kind of makes us like pseudo-cyborgs. I don't know if I'm being crystal clear in my logic, but I particularly find this extension of "body concept" interesting.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 7, 2018 4:10:41 GMT
That is a very good point Elizabeth-- I do think technology has been becoming a more ingrained part of people's lifestyles, especially in the realm you mentioned (i.e., technology addiction, video games, etc.). While that is definitely true, my thoughts are more along the lines that technology becomes a part of our own selves in terms of how we function day to day. For instance, technology as basic as a pen, can be considered a part of a human because someone accomplish a task. In the case of smartphones, Andy Clark would also argue they are a part of a "human" since they are tools that give function to our own selves. Essentially, tools have made it so that we "habitually extend and change our body-concept without even thinking twice about it," which kind of makes us like pseudo-cyborgs. I don't know if I'm being crystal clear in my logic, but I particularly find this extension of "body concept" interesting. Well, if you are using basic things like even pens then yes we are. We simply need these tools to live basically as well as to communicate things to people especially when we are alone and are in need of help. Without these items we can find ourselves in an emergency with no way out. So, yes we made these to make life easier and safer so in that sense they are part of us.
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Post by zishim on May 7, 2018 4:56:09 GMT
Gotcha. So it sounds like you fall into the "self as a system" category and thus technology enables us to be cyborgs. I'm curious to hear how people who define "self" differently respond to this idea.
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